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Post by aralid on Mar 4, 2012 14:50:45 GMT -5
Tigerlily, I guess my point is that Adam already did compromise. The suits chose BTIKM even tho Adam wanted and expected Cuckoo. So now they are choosing what they think is their safe bet again. They are following the same pattern. If they were wrong the first time, why assume they are right this time. I hope they got input from US PDs this time. I'm with you. And I think Popjustice got it right, "doesn't have quite as much of Adam's identity" and his second single should have Adams identity. This second single is so important for his brand. But I have nothing against NCOE to be a single at some point, but please not the second single. |
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Post by nica575 on Mar 4, 2012 15:07:24 GMT -5
Tigerlily, I guess my point is that Adam already did compromise. The suits chose BTIKM even tho Adam wanted and expected Cuckoo. So now they are choosing what they think is their safe bet again. They are following the same pattern. If they were wrong the first time, why assume they are right this time. I hope they got input from US PDs this time. agree... Adam was very dismissive towards a Bruno song in the fall, saying something to the effect of 'It might not fit the album"... then he switched to crossing his fingers and sqeeling stage... we are not sure it was about the same song of course.. I can't believe that he wants to keep promoting other people's songs while saying that he himself wrote on "most" of the tracks. If you ask me - this behavior would be against his seemingly competitive nature. So, IMO - it is his business side that is talking ( the company man indeed!) Another BTIKM is NOT what he needs. Is Bruno a good song righter? Or is it the name association would be beneficial because he is popular ? Did Pink name helped WWFM do get where it got to? (and lets not forget that the Grammy nom was for the vocals - i.e. Adam's part of the deal)
"BTIKM is not a Stronger". .
tigerlilly - I am not impressed by Stronger - lasted for about 35 secs and had to shut it down... but I have to admit - a much better "hook" than BTIKM... "BTIKM is not even a WWFM. If it was, it would be doing better on itunes here and in other countries and Pop radio would be embracing it" Totally agree. The funny thing is that we are discussing something we have not heard...so, it is all just emotional angst...at least on my part... I DO know that just ONE listen of Tresspasing ( acoustic no less) - got stuck in my head...IMMEDIATELY! the whole songs is like one giant hook. SO, WTF do they need Bruno for? And we can only imagine what Cookoo is like... ETA: aralid  - ITA!  ETA2: the reason I am posting all this in the Numbers thread is: I CAN"T STAND TO SEE ANY POSITION CHART NUMBERS WITH MORE THAN ONE DIGIT IN THEM WHEN IT COMES TO ADAM! :-[ ...and that's the truuuuuth..  |
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Post by iceish on Mar 4, 2012 15:24:28 GMT -5
If the suit choose BTIKM then I really doubt about "whatever". When a song is plain, changing the production won't help, it still plain. But NCOE does sound much better than BTIKM. I think the suit choose song to fit Adam's voice more rather than his overall personality. aralidI do believe Adam have songs written to fit well in the top chart. Those club dancey pop remixes he wrote before was very good and catchy and better than some of the top40s. I really think he has the ability to deliver top chatter without any comprise of his style/artistry. Most important, he loves PoP music. ETA: I love the snippet of Trespassing , it's better than good ETA2 : Afterall, I don't get angst anymore, I know I'll get something I love from his album |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Mar 4, 2012 15:35:54 GMT -5
tigerlily wrote: I don't understand the insistance of some fans that a single MUST be a song that Adam solely wrote. I place much more importance on the next single becoming a huge hit - don't care who has the writing credits on it. It's a mixed bag of A-list artists who write, co-write or don't write much at all. I doubt the general public cares a whit who actually wrote a song that they are singing or dancing to - and buying! If the next single is Bruno's song, I am thrilled about that. Anyway, we are discussing and pushing for songs that we haven't even heard in full or finished.
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Post by rabbitrabbit on Mar 4, 2012 15:43:14 GMT -5
You know why I don't like premature angsting? (Or, I'll be honest, much angsting at all really, and angsting is different from saying, 'eh' not my cup of tea personally, but I hope it does well).
I don't like it because it prejudices a certain segment of the fanbase against a song that they haven't heard yet. Fans in a community whether on a forum or on twitter are easily influenced by other fans. We talk about hardcore Queen fans writing Adam off without listening to him or knowing much about him, but there are just as many snap judgements in our fandom, often based on just as little actual information. I know it's human nature and all, but it really just makes me tired, because the choice of a single is something we CANNOT change or impact.
The success of a single once chosen IS something we can impact. We can reject it and refuse to support it as a fanbase, and that has helped to sink singles before from other artists -- to their detriment. Or we can support it and do all we can, and make sure it's casual listeners who are the single sink or swim determiners, not the fanbase itself, which keeps paddling.
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 4, 2012 16:21:21 GMT -5
Tigerlily, I guess my point is that Adam already did compromise. The suits chose BTIKM even tho Adam wanted and expected Cuckoo. So now they are choosing what they think is their safe bet again. They are following the same pattern. If they were wrong the first time, why assume they are right this time. I hope they got input from US PDs this time. I understand. At this point, Adam is probably in the position where he is going to have to compromise and compromise some more. I believe he knows this and that is why he keeps saying things like "it is all for the best". On paper, BTIKM should have worked. IMO, the main problem with it is it is a song written for a woman and it doesn't have a strong hook. The high parts are too high. The #1 rule of songs (that aren't rap or dance songs) is that it needs to have a great hook and be easy to sing along to in your car. WWFM had both of these things. NCOE is a song written for a guy, even though Bruno is a tenor, he is not a soprano in a girl's range. It will sound better on the radio for Adam to be singing Bruno type notes, not Christina type notes. NCOE is a cool song and it has a couple of hooky parts. The deciding factor is going to be the production of the song. I'm worried about how Dr. Luke is going to finish this one out! I wish Max Martin or Bruno himself was the producer. Dr. Luke doesn't have a good track record with Adam. :( Bruno is a very good songwriter. He has had multiple grammy nominations for his self-penned songs. Bruno established himself as a songwriter long before he became a solo artist. I would list the songs, but I don't think you would recognize them if you aren't familiar with Pop/HAC radio. The Pink name probably helped get WWFM some early attention, but the song was a well-written Pop song. Adam's vocals made the song what it was, but the fact that Pink has a way with words and knows how to construct a good song was the first layer. |
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Post by JazzRocks on Mar 4, 2012 16:34:29 GMT -5
I love this thread! More than any other thread on Adamtopia. I don't know all that much about pop radio but I want to learn because this is the most important part of Adam's future. Not the photos (beautiful as they are) or his love life (sweet as it is) but the hard core numbers that spell success or failure on US radio. If he doesn't make it there we can expect eventually to see less & less of Adam in the media.
So although I have my own preferences of what I'd like the next single to represent I know that the most important thing is that it gets radio support.
rabbitt made some great points, including this:
I have full confidence that the fanbase will support 100% any single that is chosen regardless of personal preference. No doubt in my mind.
My personal preference is NOT for another "safe single". They did it once so why would they expect different results? Having said that I will be over the moon for single #2 - whatever it is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 16:55:28 GMT -5
Just want to emphasize, I am not angsting!! Really! Just having what I thought was a great discussion! All are my opinions, speculation, and wishes because neither Adam or RCA listens to me. :-/
Also want to make sure you all understand, I LOVE BTIKM!
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Oh gosh. I think the lyrics are very male!
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Post by tigerlily on Mar 4, 2012 16:56:34 GMT -5
JazzRocks: ITA! I like some discussion with a little bit of substance as well. The pics and hearts are nice, but I enjoy this thread for all the reasons you stated! I'm not sure what part was modded, because I can't remember what I wrote-  - but I certainly didn't want to offend anyone! My sincerest apologies if that happened! When discussing numbers, I try to take as much emotion out of my thoughts and opinions as possible. I try to look at it all like a PD or regular radio listener would, even though that is NOT how I usually feel in my heart! My true wish would be that Adam could do exactly what he wanted to do with releasing singles, albums, artwork, album covers, etc., but in my mind I know he can't always do that. He is having to compromise, but I'm sure he is also getting many things that he wants at the same time. It is a process and it may take him years to get to certain places in his career. I'm going to play the game, compromise, and TRY to be patient along with him! lol mys*&@^#r: I meant the vocal range of BTIKM! Not the lyrics! |
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Post by JazzRocks on Mar 4, 2012 17:02:18 GMT -5
The thing is - he is 30 not 20. I'm not sure he has years to get places - at least not in pop.
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