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Post by adamrocks on Apr 26, 2012 17:00:44 GMT -5
Yep, I'm sorry, that article does feel kinda offensive to me. Not because I care who's more feminine or less; and I do think the general idea and message was really positive. Just - okay, let me quote at you. We long for a strong, butch, male to whom we can point and say ‘see world that is us.’ "butch"- "fem" I can understand, but how "strong" comes into this? You don't need to be butch to be strong, okay. We should own a Weir and a Lambert as much as we do a figure like a Gareth Thomas. Because while Lambert and Weir may not represent all of us, they do represent some segment of our community.Huh? So I take it, Gareth Thomas DOES represent "all of us" then? The reality is, though, that men like Lambert and Weir are part of our community and we shouldn’t shy away from them.
This is the problem for me I guess - the author, while proclaiming it's bad to generalize, does just that. He clearly divides some US (butch gay men best represented by Mr Thomas I presume) and THEM (Adam, Johnny Weir and every gay man perceived more effeminate than a general PC version).It just feels really condescending, you know? There are no we and they ffs. Gay peeps are just as varied as straights. Adam said all that ages ago in that Canada interview.There are tons of effeminate straight men, and make-up wearing straight men, and fashion-loving straight men, AND just freak-flag type straight men too. And everybody loves it, the novelty and daring or whatever. It's so simple - people are NOT the same, nor they should be. We are different, straight and gay, pollyannas and debbie downers, outrageous and sensible. And it's totally okay. I agree with so much that you said here. Here we have another article trying to give Adam labels and put him in a BOX!  I just feel no community...no person....is going to put Adam in a BOX. He is going to live his life on his terms and is just not going to let that happen. Adam is very courageous because it is not an easy path to follow when being bombarded on all sides with other people's opinions of how you are suppose to represent yourself. |
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Post by durberville on Apr 26, 2012 17:01:20 GMT -5
NoAngel @noangelpf Adam just got driven into the venue  Ooooooo we should get reports about soundcheck... I wonder how the weather is....saw a pic of some nasty looking clouds. |
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Post by wal on Apr 26, 2012 17:01:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2012 17:01:40 GMT -5
but do you know how irritating it must be for gay men to be lectured by a 40 or 50 year old straight woman? I shake my head to be the point of it almost falling off my shoulders whenever I see this attitude and I see it a lot on the internet. This writer was lecturing from WITHING the gay community, from a place of knowledge and he is saying they need to accept the Adams and the Johnny's just like the accept the Neils so for someone to take offense to that doesn't make sense to me. I'll also add I get empathy or being sensitive to their plight. I'm a huge advocate for civil rights and equality for EVERYONE, be it gay or any minority. But I do NOT know what it's like to be discriminated against. I'm a middle class white woman for pete sake so I can't pretend to know what it feels like to live in that situation but I can fight with them side by side to ensure that someday they might be able to say they don't know either. I understand ,but as a woman ,you must hear and see the negativity that we as a group face.If not ,I want to live where you live.. LOL I also think that Adam can handle our love and concern for him. We are after all many of his greatest supporters. but isn't most of the negative we face as a group from other women? Same holds, it would seem, for Adam and other gay men within his community. I do agree that Adam can not only handle our love but appreciates it. What concerns me is how others perceive that "mothering" attitude. IMO it devalues Adam as a strong contemporary and capable man capable of handling situations without his "mommy" this is all JMO of course and not meant as a lecture to anyone on the proper way to be a fan. |
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Post by pi on Apr 26, 2012 17:02:38 GMT -5
NoAngel @noangelpf Adam just got driven into the venue Ooooooo we should get reports about soundcheck... I wonder how the weather is....saw a pic of some nasty looking clouds. Someone called it the Adam storm. ;D |
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Post by wal on Apr 26, 2012 17:03:54 GMT -5
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GLAMBERTS! Tune into Jimmy Kimmel Live tonight to watch @adamlambert perform "Never Close Our Eyes" from his upcoming album TRESPASSING!
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Post by melliemom on Apr 26, 2012 17:06:58 GMT -5
I understand ,but as a woman ,you must hear and see the negativity that we as a group face.If not ,I want to live where you live.. LOL I also think that Adam can handle our love and concern for him. We are after all many of his greatest supporters. but isn't most of the negative we face as a group from other women? Same holds, it would seem, for Adam and other gay men within his community. I do agree that Adam can not only handle our love but appreciates it. What concerns me is how others perceive that "mothering" attitude. IMO it devalues Adam as a strong contemporary and capable man capable of handling situations without his "mommy" this is all JMO of course and not meant as a lecture to anyone on the proper way to be a fan. I know who knows.. at this point I'm not sure of anything.. LOL guess I just felt protective of not only Adam but women in their 40's and 50's.. Gosh I'm doing some mothering myself.. Time to reflect.. : |
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Post by smokeyvera on Apr 26, 2012 17:10:01 GMT -5
I understand ,but as a woman ,you must hear and see the negativity that we as a group face.If not ,I want to live where you live.. LOL I also think that Adam can handle our love and concern for him. We are after all many of his greatest supporters. but isn't most of the negative we face as a group from other women? Same holds, it would seem, for Adam and other gay men within his community. I do agree that Adam can not only handle our love but appreciates it. What concerns me is how others perceive that "mothering" attitude. IMO it devalues Adam as a strong contemporary and capable man capable of handling situations without his "mommy" this is all JMO of course and not meant as a lecture to anyone on the proper way to be a fan. Mothering is just rhetorial - to be protective. Many of us want to be protective, but wouldn't ever think of lecturing him. This is a forum, where such thoughts can be expressed, however we certainly wouldn't execute in public. Yes, there are indeed cray out there that actually do this. I feel embarassed for them. He already has a mother. However, if we have feelings of protectiveness, we are certainly allowed. The last I heard, 50-60 year old females still have rights. There are certainy many stupid politicians out there trying to usurp my rights, but we will prevail. |
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Post by lambo on Apr 26, 2012 17:12:51 GMT -5
Yep, I'm sorry, that article does feel kinda offensive to me. Not because I care who's more feminine or less; and I do think the general idea and message was really positive. Just - okay, let me quote at you. We long for a strong, butch, male to whom we can point and say ‘see world that is us.’ "butch"- "fem" I can understand, but how "strong" comes into this? You don't need to be butch to be strong, okay. We should own a Weir and a Lambert as much as we do a figure like a Gareth Thomas. Because while Lambert and Weir may not represent all of us, they do represent some segment of our community.Huh? So I take it, Gareth Thomas DOES represent "all of us" then? The reality is, though, that men like Lambert and Weir are part of our community and we shouldn’t shy away from them.This is the problem for me I guess - the author, while proclaiming it's bad to generalize, does just that. He clearly divides some US (butch gay men best represented by Mr Thomas I presume) and THEM (Adam, Johnny Weir and every gay man perceived more effeminate than a general PC version). It just feels really condescending, you know? There are no we and they ffs. Gay peeps are just as varied as straights. Adam said all that ages ago in that Canada interview. There are tons of effeminate straight men, and make-up wearing straight men, and fashion-loving straight men, AND just freak-flag type straight men too. And everybody loves it, the novelty and daring or whatever. It's so simple - people are NOT the same, nor they should be. We are different, straight and gay, pollyannas and debbie downers, outrageous and sensible. And it's totally okay. Fantastic post!  |
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Post by wal on Apr 26, 2012 17:13:41 GMT -5
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