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Post by wal on Apr 26, 2012 18:45:54 GMT -5
Octavia Latrice @sincerlioctavia
Headed to Jimmy Kimmel...
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Post by kathleenpf on Apr 26, 2012 18:49:17 GMT -5
About tolerance and masculine and feminine sides of Adam - I must confess something about myself. At the beginning I felt very uncomfortable when I was watching some of his performances like Fever for example and I didn't know what the heck is wrong with them. And then I understood that his moves was way too feminine for my taste. For month or so I was struggling with myself, I didn't know what to do with it, what to think about him or about my reaction. And then I just realized the truth that the problem is in me. He is what he is - this time it was me who need to change. I do understand now that when he show me his feminine side this does not make him less male, it just makes him special and he is brave to do that. I'm so grateful for that lesson. I was thinking that I'm open minded person but he show me that even somone like me can be unaware of my own ignorance. And IMHO we all have something like that - we don't know where our boundaries are untli someone trespass them and challenge us. And he want us trespassing and challenge ourselves and others because he is doing it. For himself, for gay community, for us. Thank you, nonchallance, for this lovely post  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2012 18:59:29 GMT -5
but isn't most of the negative we face as a group from other women? Same holds, it would seem, for Adam and other gay men within his community. I do agree that Adam can not only handle our love but appreciates it. What concerns me is how others perceive that "mothering" attitude. IMO it devalues Adam as a strong contemporary and capable man capable of handling situations without his "mommy" this is all JMO of course and not meant as a lecture to anyone on the proper way to be a fan. I know who knows.. at this point I'm not sure of anything.. LOL guess I just felt protective of not only Adam but women in their 40's and 50's.. Gosh I'm doing some mothering myself.. Time to reflect.. :  I am 43 so I'm in the group I'm talking about so nothing disparaging meant at all |
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Post by adamme on Apr 26, 2012 19:02:57 GMT -5
OMG.. I just turned on my TV and I guess accidentaly left my TV on Fox channel.. and this is what I saw on the screen
"A Concert is not a live rendition of our album. It's a theatrical event" ~~ Freddie Mercury
And then Brian's voice.. talking about Freddie, said Freddie was very shy.....
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Post by wal on Apr 26, 2012 19:04:17 GMT -5
A n g e l i c a @angelraj
More mic action by techs...
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Post by ljsmack on Apr 26, 2012 19:10:48 GMT -5
About tolerance and masculine and feminine sides of Adam - I must confess something about myself. At the beginning I felt very uncomfortable when I was watching some of his performances like Fever for example and I didn't know what the heck is wrong with them. And then I understood that his moves was way too feminine for my taste. For month or so I was struggling with myself, I didn't know what to do with it, what to think about him or about my reaction. And then I just realized the truth that the problem is in me. He is what he is - this time it was me who need to change. I do understand now that when he show me his feminine side this does not make him less male, it just makes him special and he is brave to do that. I'm so grateful for that lesson. I was thinking that I'm open minded person but he show me that even somone like me can be unaware of my own ignorance. And IMHO we all have something like that - we don't know where our boundaries are untli someone trespass them and challenge us. And he want us trespassing and challenge ourselves and others because he is doing it. For himself, for gay community, for us. Thank you for this insightful post.  |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Apr 26, 2012 19:11:18 GMT -5
Hmm....How about a slightly different perspective?
[grins wryly]
Back in the early days of Planet Fierce (PF), the site from where ATOP germinated and one of the very early Adam fandoms, we jokingly did an informal survey one day of what the members did for a living. The answers were pretty astonishing. PF was **way** overrepresented, statistically, with professional women in male-dominated fields: engineers, hard scientists, mathematicians, lawyers.
It was weird. But it wasn't.
Nearly everyone in those early PF days had been in the position of having to prove their worth above and beyond what their male colleagues did. The pressure to act a certain way, in order to conform to a 'male-standard' norm. The scorn if you did anything 'girly'.
We EMPATHIZED with Adam. To know that you were technically better than your competitors...but watched them win over you anyways. To not be taken seriously for things completely irrelevant to your skill set. To realize that the slightest slip would be magnified at any available opportunity.
We saw Adam struggle, and it resonated with our own struggles.
We fought for him because it hurt that his amazing talent was often intentionally obscured for reasons totally non-related to his singing. That his articulateness was reduced to the most scandalous off-hand phrase. That for every 99% of impressive accomplishment, only the 1% of human foible was reported.
We had been there, and so fought for him.
Ergo, while to many it may seem odd that Adam has a female, often older fanbase...it shouldn't. IMO Adam's fanbase, and its protectiveness, is far less about Idol, than it about desperately wanting equal rights and opportunities for someone whose talent and work ethic warrants more acknowledgment that he's received.
Adam's discrimination is because he is gay. For many of us fans, ours is due to a double x chromosome. But those who have experienced the unlevel 'straight man' playing field, Adam's battles strike deep within our phyches, and we want this beautiful gay man to win.
[winks]
Plus, he looks really hot in leather pants. ;D
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Post by durberville on Apr 26, 2012 19:12:50 GMT -5
Ouch....did you catch the Queen Tribute Band?
Who is gonna pay to go see that?
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Post by sugaree on Apr 26, 2012 19:13:44 GMT -5
About tolerance and masculine and feminine sides of Adam - I must confess something about myself. At the beginning I felt very uncomfortable when I was watching some of his performances like Fever for example and I didn't know what the heck is wrong with them. And then I understood that his moves was way too feminine for my taste. For month or so I was struggling with myself, I didn't know what to do with it, what to think about him or about my reaction. And then I just realized the truth that the problem is in me. He is what he is - this time it was me who need to change. I do understand now that when he show me his feminine side this does not make him less male, it just makes him special and he is brave to do that. I'm so grateful for that lesson. I was thinking that I'm open minded person but he show me that even somone like me can be unaware of my own ignorance. And IMHO we all have something like that - we don't know where our boundaries are untli someone trespass them and challenge us. And he want us trespassing and challenge ourselves and others because he is doing it. For himself, for gay community, for us. I really relate to this. I had similar feelings. Can't type too much, but I'm enjoying all of this intelligent conversation. Thank you everyone. |
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Post by lambo on Apr 26, 2012 19:14:48 GMT -5
So what is the definition of "screaming queen" that some agree with so much? To me, it sounds like an out-of-control screeching nutcase. I certainly don't think of Adam in those terms, in fact, quite the opposite. It sounds totally derogatory to me. :-/ My gay male friend looks like NPH or other heterosexual male. He hates PH, and said PH is what they call it "queene". I think screaming queen is a bit feminine but not exactly effeminate. Adam is embracing his feminine side with guyliner and make up, but to me he's very masculine. Interesting. When I think "screaming queen" I think guys who can't pull off stuff like makeup, nail polish, girly clothes but go overboard with it and end up looking like Frank-N-Furter  I get mistaken for a girl a lot cause my features and hair are quite feminine and I do wear nail polish, some non-eye makeup and girlyish clothes just cause I think they look good. Adam is the same, just throwing some feminine things into the mix cause he likes them. He's a lot more masculine than me but still - not a queen! |
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I get mistaken for a girl a lot cause my features and hair are quite feminine and I do wear nail polish, some non-eye makeup and girlyish clothes just cause I think they look good. Adam is the same, just throwing some feminine things into the mix cause he likes them. He's a lot more masculine than me but still - not a queen!