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Post by mszue on Jun 14, 2012 15:13:44 GMT -5
This article is called "How to Age Well," but what it is actually about is the effect of regrets on our brain activity. www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=how-to-age-well-letting-regrets-goBasically, the article discussing an experiment (not unlike the experiment here that mwp writes about), where participants got to guess what was inside little boxes -- "gold" or a "devil." The game was structured so that you could miss out on your opportunities to win gold, and thus have regrets. It turns out there is a part of the brain -- the anterior cingulate, which processes emotion -- that becomes more active in some people when they have disappointments and regrets. It is essentially enables the emotion you might call que sera sera, acceptance, or "screw it" depending on the person, but in any case is a safety valve when things don't go your way. On the other hand ... not everyone's anterior cingulate works this way. They respond by taking more risks and playing the game even harder. You might say they care even more than they did before -- they angst.If this article is true, then when we shame people who angst (as even the article above does by treating the response as a pathology that needs to be fixed), aren't we just blaming them for being different, anterior cingulate-wise? Is it any different than shaming someone for being left-handed, intro/extroverted, gay, or red-headed? Just a little random food for thought. Interesting juniemoon. Also....Adam certainly does not go "que sera sue sera" so he must be 'different' too....:-)
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Post by mika on Jun 15, 2012 3:23:36 GMT -5
Junie - thanks for WKRP clip! I guess few things are lost forever these days for better or worse. Mr. Carlson's secret plan for the promo so did not work out. Poor traumatized man but so funny.
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Post by JazzRocks on Jun 15, 2012 10:21:30 GMT -5
*sighs, plunks herself down in the farthest corner of this little sanctuary and dejectedly fiddles with a blade of grass* I've got nothing deep to offer guys - but they certainly don't want me moping about upstairs. I'm sick of online polls...I'm sick of requesting....I'm sick of all the bullshit. sorry. (and you thought YOU were a grumpy goose, Smokey!.... ) Quoting from a couple of days ago because it's exactly what I came here to say! ;D I too have nothing deep, analytical or philosophical to say. I'm just FED UP to my eyeballs with all the radio games we have to play to get a freaking spin for NCOE. Sick, SICK, SICK I tell ya! I'm allowed to say this cause this is the dark side, right? I'm spewed out for awhile so I can go back upstairs and be all jolly - for awhile.
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Post by bullsfan on Jun 15, 2012 10:48:31 GMT -5
I'll join you guys :( Long rant coming---sorry.
I am trying hard to keep some positivity, but it is getting really hard. I know Adam said NCOE was the song "radio showed the most interest in," but, frankly, radio (or maybe it's just PDs) don't seem to be very interested in Adam Lambert.
Basically, ANY song can connect and become a hit if it gets played enough. There are songs that I absolutely hated or had no interest in the first few times I heard them, but, after hearing them on the radio over and over again they grew on me. Some I came to like, others I started to love (and couldn't understand why I hadn't loved them in the first place). If radio plays a song enough, people will connect. WWFM was given a chance and was played. And it became a hit. NCOE isn't even being given a chance. I listen to WKSC---the casual listener is not going to connect to a song when they might happen to hear it once or twice a week. This goes for ANY song.
I don't know what's going to happen, but RCA/DMG is going to have to look for other opportunities to get Adam's songs heard, I think. They are going to have to get creative somehow. Bruno and Dr. Luke aren't enough. A #1 album wasn't enough. At least, with Adam, I feel like RCA believes he is worth the effort. They will keep trying. I give RCA and Adam's management credit---they made radio the priority this era. They spent valuable promo time after the album drop attacking radio (and CHR radio) with concerts, interviews. Knowing Adam was going to be out of the country for a lot of the summer, they did everything they could to have Adam's single set-up before he left.
Sorry, had to get this out. Hopefully, NCOE will continue to climb and reach a point where it is getting enough good, daytime spins to catch the interest of the radio audience. Maybe , if the song can reach top 40, Z100 will add. I am really afraid that if this single doesn't make some kind of impact, the era will basically be over.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2012 11:51:28 GMT -5
melliemom, no one throws things on the dark side. Except Dark Adam, the barista. But we love him anyway.
bullsfan, I know! The repetition makes a song grow on you. You hear it in all kinds of circumstances and all kinds of ways and in all kinds of moods. When I was trying to win tickets to a meet and greet in March, I got so sick of "Gotta Good Feelin" that I wanted to die. I'm still hearing it. On ads. In my exercise class. In stores. I saw a picture of Flo Rida and saw that he looked like Mr. T. I started to feel fond of the song ... fond, almost, of hating it so much. Like it was an annoying old friend that I just wanted to noogie and say, "I love ya, now get outta here, big guy."
Adam works so hard, but RCA has pursued the safe way of thinking. Reach in to Dr. Luke's big bag o'hits and pull one out. Make it a song by Bruno Mars, the Barry Manilow of the modern era. WTF. What the hell did any of it have to do with Adam Lambert. It just had to do with selling widgets. That's what Bruno and Luke do, sell widgets of music.
Well, it turns out Adam isn't a very good widget salesman.
I'm not even mad at radio in some ways. Radio sells widgets. Radio needs widget salesmen. Radio listeners want widgets for the car, widgets to play in the background while reading Danielle Steele.
There has GOT to be a way to get Adam's music in front of people who actually like MUSIC, not widgets. People who don't just listen to music because it's boring and lonely and scary in the car, or fixing dinner while your kids scream and fight and your life circles the drain -- but people who like things that are awesome and offbeat.
I don't think the era has to be over, but if radio won't play Adam than somehow RCA and DMG has to get this record in front of people in some other way. Satellite radio -- college radio -- placing Adam's songs in movies or ads -- the goddamn Olympics -- relentless touring at festivals at colleges and music venues where real music fans congregate -- I don't know but if Adam can't crack radio because his music is too individualistic, then we need to find the people who like individualistic music. There must be a way, there are tons of successful artists and bands who don't get played on the radio.
Time to tear up the rulebook!!!
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Post by mika on Jun 15, 2012 12:26:46 GMT -5
I know there are often things going on behind the scenes, but I hope Adam's people are also thinking outside radio of how to get his music out there. Especially since I think Adam must have a really high 'Q' rating or whatever they're calling overall audience affection for a performer. **** "We Are Young" was released as a single on Sept. 20, 2011, with a video following in early January. The track was slow-building, initially attracting only the attention of online media... In addition to helping secure the Super Bowl synch [chevy commercial], the song's enormity and dramatic flair brought it the coveted "Glee" cover [in December]. "I vividly remember John [Janick, head of label] dropping by my office with a just-mastered 'We Are Young' in hand," "Glee" music supervisor PJ Bloom says. "It was still on its original blank CD-R titled in poorly handwritten red Sharpie." When Janick suggested that the track was perfect for the musical show, Bloom demurred. "'Glee' doesn't break bands," Bloom says. "We celebrate existing pop success-that's our core model." But after listening to the song only once, he changed his mind."
...while Glee version did cause a 1,650% jump in sales of fun.'s "We Are Young" (from 3,000 to 49,000, according to Columbia, during the week of Dec. 11, 2011), it wasn't until the song appeared in the Super Bowl spot that fun.'s "We Are Young" took off www.billboard.com/features/fun-the-billboard-cover-story-1006342162.story#/features/fun-the-billboard-cover-story-1006342162.story
Someone That I Used to Know In the United States, it debuted at number ninety-one on the Billboard Hot 100 on 14 January 2012. In its fifteenth week on the chart – after it was performed by Matt Bomer and Darren Criss on Glee on 10 April; by Phillip Phillips and Elise Testone on the eleventh season of American Idol before more than 16 million viewers on 11 April; and by Gotye and Kimbra on Saturday Night Live on 14 April – the song rose to No. 1 with 542,000 downloads. (Source: wiki) (And the articles at the time reported that Matt Bomer called someone (Ryan Murphy I think) and said they should do the song - they agreed if he would appear and sing it - could just be pr though I believe the part about Matt pimping the song.)
And Alex Clare wouldn't be getting any love for 'Too Close' if it hadn't been in that IE commercial. ****
I don't know - maybe they've tried to place Adam's music this way and musical directors of shows and ad agencies are rejecting - a lot of times these efforts begin well before song is released to coordinate timing. But Adam seems to me the perfect artist to promote via television (shows and commercials) and even films because of the combination of radio's resistance and Adam already having an established tv-watching fan base. (I know summer is a difficult time (and I don't think the hot USA shows use music that much) but fall season is en route.
That was a little jumbled, but I too am hoping someone in Adam's camp is making more than a perfunctory effort to get Trespassing out there in media promo other than radio. Because, based on current showing, I would guess either the label lacks sufficient influence to get more robust radio play or the will to go in hard w/radio execs. Maybe someone is thinking outside the box though - we can only hope.
ETA: Actually, as noted before, I love NCOE and don't at all care for at least a couple of fan favorites - so I would definitely hesitate about putting lack of stronger performance down to quality of song. Too subjective - and not consensus based on critical reviews.
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Post by midwifespal on Jun 15, 2012 12:42:02 GMT -5
I definitely agree that some outside the box (you know the box I mean, the one with those dials and all those annoying ads, noo, not the TV, the other box we happily glue ourselves to) thinking would be good for Adam. But I do want to say that I don't think radio listeners, or top 40 radio listeners, are all mildly depressive automatons who need some vapid noise to keep from looking into the VOID ( --I joke, I know you were hyperbolizing too, Junie). I mean, Adam professes to love Top 40 radio, and we all know that in a world of mindless automatons, Adam Lamberts eyes are impervious to the brain-sucking machines (just see the vid for evidence). #don'ttakethebluepill. ;D Nor would I characterize either of the songs Mika just mentioned as widgets, and they're blowing up top 40 radio right now (although they got there via slightly unorthodox routes). Somebody must be loving them who listens to radio. I guess all I mean is that I have slightly more faith in the listening audience, even the CHR listening audience (and also, probably, slightly more affection for non-adam CHR music, which is neither here nor there), so I think it is perfectly possible for someone of Adam's quality to get played there. He just needs to catch a break. Question is, how can we catch it for him?
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Jun 15, 2012 12:46:24 GMT -5
He just needs to catch a break. Question is, how can we catch it for him? ;D
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Post by mika on Jun 15, 2012 12:58:14 GMT -5
I definitely agree that some outside the box (you know the box I mean, the one with those dials and all those annoying ads, noo, not the TV, the other box we happily glue ourselves to) thinking would be good for Adam. But I do want to say that I don't think radio listeners, or top 40 radio listeners, are all mildly depressive automatons who need some vapid noise to keep from looking into the VOID ( --I joke, I know you were hyperbolizing too, Junie). I mean, Adam professes to love Top 40 radio, and we all know that in a world of mindless automatons, Adam Lamberts eyes are impervious to the brain-sucking machines (just see the vid for evidence). #don'ttakethebluepill. ;D Nor would I characterize either of the songs Mika just mentioned as widgets, and they're blowing up top 40 radio right now (although they got there via slightly unorthodox routes). Somebody must be loving them who listens to radio. I guess all I mean is that I have slightly more faith in the listening audience, even the CHR listening audience (and also, probably, slightly more affection for non-adam CHR music, which is neither here nor there), so I think it is perfectly possible for someone of Adam's quality to get played there. He just needs to catch a break. Question is, how can we catch it for him? Indeed, I think the ubiquitous Adele (whom I love w/out apology) and the songs mentioned above, among some others, are evidence that - as has ever been true - radio audiences will respond strongly to a good song with enough exposure. At one time, an individual dj or 'college radio' could offer that platform - building an audience for a song, act, or genre until radio capitulated. Now it seems like it's down to mostly visual media - television, you tube - to get around radio honchos shortsightedness. Also, I don't know that WWFM (which I also love) would have broken so big under current circumstances. Adam got to perform it on a really wide range of shows both because of post Idol wave but also because he was getting a lot of 'attention' post-AMAs. I wonder if it would have done as well on radio without post-AMA spotlight and the tv performances that followed.
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Post by lynne on Jun 15, 2012 13:17:00 GMT -5
He definitely had that WWFM moment on AI... wish he could be all over TV again. Adam live, talking, singing, ... Okay, breathing, . (I'm clearly trespassing in the middle of all the quality posts today...today, for me, just forward motion. . ) "Life is forward motion." Adam Lambert And that attitude and energy is what will keep moving Adam forward. Love you all.
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