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Post by stardust on Jun 5, 2012 10:18:29 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm pretty much resting all my hopes on overseas now. Adam did all he could here and without much success, so far, so I'm pretty much throwing in the towel for the good ole US of A. It's their loss and hopefully the rest of the world's gain. ;D Throw in the towel? Why on earth would anyone do that? :-/ It's definitely to soon to give up!! There is so much good stuff coming up!! It looks like it will be another slow slog up the charts, but this is the time we need to buckle down and fight back!! He is getting love all over the world! |
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Post by smokeyvera on Jun 5, 2012 10:22:17 GMT -5
Do you mean next month might be a bigger downhill for the sales 'cuz Adam will be overseas and no U.S. promo presence whatsoever, meanwhile everybody else will be "rolling in the deep" with it? (and, I second that.) There were times that I really couldn't help but scratch my head about RCA's dealings and handlings. Although, Adam did say the promo in general would very well last into 2013, without big radio hits/decent airplay, it's gonna be a long haul uphill for our man, for sure! (I need a sign, RCA!)
I'm hoping for a better result this time around in the U.K. (I mean, c'mon! that UK pr girl has worked her tail off & pulled all the stops this era!)
And, I'm counting on all the Asian love for Adam, especially from Japan!
(looking forward to the Japanese chart next week.  )That's my fear, but Rabbit is correct in that it is impossible to know what will happen at this point. I suspect that Adam being out of the country might hurt the progress of NCOE on US radio, but the UK is also an important market- so it is good that Adam has some great promo coming up over the next month! Like Rabbit stated, there have been some new spinners and the adds were pretty decent last week, so that could definitely be enough to give NCOE a second wind! Most of you will jump on me for bringing it back to Adele. I know Adam is not Adele. She is indeed an anomoly. But Adele did her initial rounds of the radio stations and promo and then just quit her PR efforts. She wasn't taaht big in the US. She went back to the UK. Someone like you, then RITD just grew organically as the song got spun in the US. Look at her sales, as a result. Disclaimer: I am not trying to compare Adam to Adele, just the Promo. If some of the biggies like Boston, Philly and NY, and maybe LA came on board and started spinning, his song could grow organically without promo and climb the charts, and therefore increase radio presence and album sales, even while he is Europe. We need some radio cooperation and his album could take off. It's a crap shoot. If they don't come on board, Adam will feel the reprocussions. Just thinking out loud here: To me it's like radio wants Adam to fail. They want that sophomore album slump. They want him to fail and go away. I do believe there is an agenda. I could be totally wet. But RCA, I feel has failed Adam, both songs to date released as singles do not represent the albums. Critics have bemoaned, why not different singles. We don't know radio politics, but I have to believe, radio is pushing The Wanted and One Direction because the target audiences just clamor for them. That target audience is not clamoring for Adam. He appeals to a more sophisticated and intelligent audience. Just musings. So just don't jump all over me !!!!!!! |
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Post by gbam on Jun 5, 2012 10:35:48 GMT -5
I am trying to stay positive but I am disappointed for the reasons everyone else has mentioned. And I am jealous of all the other people who are getting adds much more easily. For Adam, it can't just be the reality show contestant thing. If that was the case, how are Chris Rene, Stephano, and P2 getting adds and/or radio play? None of them has had previous hits like Adam has. I need a drink.  Couldn't tell you what the deal with Stefano is but Chris Rene is STILL out doing radio promo and radio concerts. He is really hitting the bricks, has been for most of this year. P2, for almost 2 weeks after the Idol finale, is still at the top of the iTunes charts. His sales are hard to ignore, with the single and AI album staying at the top of the charts. They all also have different labels. NCOE is sitting at #170, on pop, on iTunes. It's over 60 spots lower than WWFM. The video has been out for a week and really doesn't seem to be helping sales. I don't think NCOE is connecting with people. And as far as RCA....not impressed. At least not the U.S. promo people for RCA. Shoshanna is working her ass off in the UK and look what results she is getting. She has also had an uphill battle over there cause FYE basically flopped, along with all of the singles. I also wonder if fan requests are also decreasing cause fans are just getting weary and frustrated cause we've done all we can and the people at the label, who are the ones who are getting paid to do this, don't seem to be doing their jobs. And I'm sorry...but after all the stations he visited during the promo tour, they should be getting better results than this. Sorry, but I am going to jump in once again. It is too early for anyone to say NCOE is not connecting as that is wrong. No product sells without adverts otherwise there wouldn't be no need for companies to have an advert dept and songs are no exception. I am sure others other than myself have pointed it out to you ie you need close to 10m radio AI for radio play to reflect in sales and even the harshest critics on Mjs know this and say this all the time. No song sells without constant radio play otherwise all the artists that have their songs currently charting on iTunes would have their album cuts also selling that much, but we know that is not the case since only the songs heard + previously also heard singles from their albums chart all because of radio play. This is a simple logic that does not even demand radio knowledge. I repeat no song does Well on sales w/o constant radio play. Let mé explain something once again, radio has a lot of formats and some of those formats like Urban has sub formats too. The formats range from Rock, Alternative, Urban, Rythm etc. A lot of artists you see on iTunes get to be heard on multiple formats eg Rihanna, Minaj, and co. They accumulate a lot of audience impression from this already, add the POP format that gives songs as high as over a 100m audience impression and that is your song being exposed to about 200m daily radio audience, then you would have a better knowledge of how those sales come by. It is not magic, but a fact and the PDs know this. Songs like the FUN and GOYTE's got their break from being used on Glee and later the Super Bowl advert. In the case of Gotye, it crossed over from the Alternative format. Don't be deceived and let pole say a song has to sell well before it is played. I am sure that excuse is used only for a song a pd does not want to play. Stefano and the latest Kelly's single already defied the logic of sales first since they are picking up adds. Kelly's being everywhere this era is yet to make 'Dark side' fly on iTunes and this is a lady that her radio exposure ranks as high as the Katy Perries of the radio world. That song also needs to be heard to sell. Her previous singles were heavily on the radio too to sell. 'Stronger's' promotion started Before it officially went for adds from VH1 Divas, toyota car promo, Xfactor etc. Adam is no different from any artist and is not established enough to sell without radio. Only the very established ones like Gaga does and she too needs radio to sustain sales. We all know BieBer and 1Direction + the other Disney kids have Disney radio. I have also previously explained why WWFM is charting higher ie pple are just more familiar with that song. However way you slice it, Adam needs the no1 market which is the US, hé knows this too or he wouldn't be working radio so hard. Only fans that want a partial success like that of 'The Scissor Sisters' would be saying the international scene is just what he needs just sayin... |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Jun 5, 2012 10:47:21 GMT -5
Thanks gbam.
Much to think about, but I think I agree with all you have said in the above post. It makes sense to me. 8-)
I also don't agree with anyone "throwing in the towel" right now.
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Post by tigerlily on Jun 5, 2012 10:52:33 GMT -5
Adele had major promo. She was in the middle of a US tour when her vocal chords blew out. The reason Adele didn't have to do radio shows is because her single caught on and was #1 for a billion weeks, then the album stayed at #1 for a zillion weeks. Why should she do anything more than she is doing at this time? Don't fix what isn't broken! If radio "has an agenda" then they also have an agenda with NAL. What would that agenda be? Discrimination of white males?  Adam is like most of the non-established artists out there. He has to work his butt off going to radio stations and doing promo everywhere he can get it. This isn't discrimination- Adam is having to do what everyone else, who isn't selling 10 million albums or has 6 BB #1s, is having to do. The majority of album reviews DID NOT say that NCOE fails to represent the album. No matter how many times you say this, it will not make it true. |
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Jun 5, 2012 11:29:03 GMT -5
[rolls up sleeves]
I'm gett'n the feeling that even NCOE is gonna have to slog up the charts.
[shrugs] So be it.
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Post by stardust on Jun 5, 2012 11:37:20 GMT -5
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Post by HoppersSkippersMiners on Jun 5, 2012 11:43:05 GMT -5
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Post by gbam on Jun 5, 2012 11:54:55 GMT -5
Adele had major promo. She was in the middle of a US tour when her vocal chords blew out. The reason Adele didn't have to do radio shows is because her single caught on and was #1 for a billion weeks, then the album stayed at #1 for a zillion weeks. Why should she do anything more than she is doing at this time? Don't fix what isn't broken! If radio "has an agenda" then they also have an agenda with NAL. What would that agenda be? Discrimination of white males? Adam is like most of the non-established artists out there. He has to work his butt off going to radio stations and doing promo everywhere he can get it. This isn't discrimination- Adam is having to do what everyone else, who isn't selling 10 million albums or has 6 BB #1s, is having to do. The majority of album reviews DID NOT say that NCOE fails to represent the album. No matter how many times you say this, it will not make it true. NAL's radio run cannot be used to gauge Adam. This is a person whose AI win was mocked all over the place similar to when Taylor won and Daughtry was treated by the radio and the industry at large as the winner. Until Lee Dewze, his album sales were the lowest. The guy was used as a jest everywhere even Simon Cowen? And Ryan mocked him on a radio show right after his win. I wonder then why you expected radio to rush and play his single and wonder more why fans would use his radio ascent to prove Adam is not being discriminated against on the radio. |
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Post by stardust on Jun 5, 2012 11:58:26 GMT -5
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