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Post by rad1109 on Mar 19, 2011 20:15:37 GMT -5
This WLL remix is awesome......may be one of my favorite remixes... bit.ly/eE7x5s
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Post by mirages on Mar 19, 2011 20:16:02 GMT -5
On Adam's remark, I think he doesn't actually say that camp is not honest -- he says the new album will be more honest and less campy -- two different things. But not totally unrelated. On the honesty -- I believe that is very consistent with when he has talked about writing all of the songs, referring to his journal, and making a more personal statement on this album. FYE was mostly songs written by other people for other singers or themselves -- Soaked, WWFM, FYE, Soaked, IIHY and so all were also old demos. On camp -- I believe if you look up the definition of Campy --- it says: 1. Cover of Adam Lambert's "For Your Entertainment". 2. Adam Lambert's performance of "Strut". Real definitions ---- Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language, 1976 edition, sense 6, [Slang, orig., homosexual jargon, Americanism] banality, mediocrity, artifice, ostentation, etc. so extreme as to amuse or have a perversely sophisticated appeal The term goes back to early 20th century US. It became a more widely used in the US in the early 1970's and was very closely associated with gay artists, style and designers. Some websites state the term originated in 1955-1960 -- but the earliest known written reference i can find is 1909 and the expression may be older. Undoubtedly this use of the term originated in the US Gay Community in the New York area. JMHO -- when Adam says less campy, I think he means less theatrical, less gay, more mainstream pop-rock. But that is just my impression. ("Strut" live is one of my favs -- so I hope "Campy Adam" never really leaves us.) Finally, check out the celebrity list on the Camp (style) Wiki page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_%28style%29UNF that list of artists on that Wiki is like...UNF. Ok it's official...I was a gay man in my past life. The end. Yup, and Adam tops (and I do mean TOPS) the list (okay, it's alphabetical by first names, but still ...) I must have been gay in a past life, as well, or in this one and haven't had the sense to realize it yet.
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Post by marysue on Mar 19, 2011 20:20:34 GMT -5
Just wanted to let ATOPians in the Vancouver, BC area know that I'll be hosting a DVD viewing dinner party on Sunday April 10 and if you'd like to join us, please let me know. From ATOP we'll have MzSue and Maria22PF plus friends of mine who came to the concerts last year or are interested in seeing the DVD. Canadians will probably not get the DVD as early as fans in the US and because I have shows every Sat. and sometimes Sunday, this was the first Sunday that I'm free - so that's why the somewhat later date. Melisende - Oh, how I wish I lived closer to you!! :(
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Mar 19, 2011 20:22:10 GMT -5
Glam Nation Live [CD+DVD] Amazon.com Bestsellers Rank: #10 in Music amzn.to/grBUnD I was so excited to see Glam Nation Live moving up so high on Amazon that I rushed back here - and posted it on yesterday's thread. HAHAHA ;D ;D ;D
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Post by maria222pf on Mar 19, 2011 20:30:05 GMT -5
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Post by momtomany on Mar 19, 2011 20:31:16 GMT -5
Funny - I read this, and for a moment I thought you were talking about US! The magical time we had, experiencing the tour together. I, too, love how we care about each other and stay in touch . . . How are you doing??? Hi Susie! Lurking around. Actually enjoying time, today, with Adam-stanning and the snippets from everyone here, as I wait - and hope - to hear that our little Penelope Jane will be coming home from the hospital, soon. Just like I used to hang on every thread from the Glamnation Tour; now I wait for news of a different sort. She is a fighter and she is getting well! So, I am floating around on this euphoric cloud, loving the view of bamafan's piano; the WLL remix from Australia; the encyclopedia of gifs. I'm of no mind to be philosophical or insightful today. I poured out my heart last week. And you Topians were there to catch what was left. You filled me with hope. And now, soon, I'll hold that little girl - free of tubes and lines and sensors. A dream come true. Made from a practical wish. Just save her. This little 'Fantasy Springs' girl will love feathers and blue and improvisation. It's my mission to tell her the story; I am so thankful I will have a mission.
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Post by rihannsu on Mar 19, 2011 20:34:16 GMT -5
Oh, I think a lot of the songs are campy, personally, especially when you watch Adam perform them, and I mean this as a compliment--they're funny and charming and a little willfully bizarre. Just a couple of examples of the top of my head--Music Again, and Strut. Watch Adam perform either of those songs, with the strutting about and the elaborate eye roles and the put on accents and occasional (for lack of a better word) "broadway" intonation to the singing and I think they are wonderful camp at its finest! (Like a lot of moments in Freddy Mercury's performances). The GN Live Strut is a perfect example, for me, of a camp performance by Adam (and while I agree California Girls is a little campy, I don't find Tik Tok that campy at all, just more straightforward tongue in cheek, perhaps). To be honest, I've had to swallow my protests a few times lately when I've heard Adam talking about Album 2, and saying it will be more honest and less camp, because to me camp and honest aren't mutually exclusive, especially in Adam, who pulls off camp with such natural charm that it feels like he's simply being a wonderfully exaggerated version of his own free self. I love Adam's campiness and that he doesn't deny himself it, and I hope he continues not to. But I understand of course what he means when he says that, and just remind myself of my total faith in him, and in his ability and intention to produce something wonderful and surprising. YES! Yes, yes, yes. and YES! But then, I like my serious message delivered with a smile and a wink. I like Godspell better than Jesus Christ Superstar even though the music in JCS is undeniably better. I like Byron better than Wordsworth because Byron knew how to laugh at himself, how to hold the truth of overblown romanticism in one hand and the irony in the other. And it's something that chimes with me about Adam, too. There's no question that his talent runs very deep. But when he wrote, after his album cover release, "Hey, folks, it's SUPPOSED to be ridiculous," it was over for me. I was hooked. And my immediate response to mys*&@^#r's question about what was camp on FYE, too, was "Strut and Music Again". Not that there isn't good stuff in there, but watch him perform them -- as MWP points out, the very obvious eye rolls and winks, the self-parody. As someone who fears, sometimes, being seen as ridiculous, one of the things I love best about Adam is his ability to OWN it, wear it proudly. I learn something worthwhile from the boy (or from Adamtopia) almost every day. That's just one reason why both are so damn addictive! Adam's camp is very sophisticated which is why it is often not even recognized as camp. It sometimes goes over peoples heads. I've been thinking today that he is almost more DaDa than camp. Everything he does challenges preconceived notions. He juxtaposes things that you wouldn't think would go together. The way he both blends and contrasts the masculine and feminine and defies any attempt to box him in. As soon as you describe him he changes yet again. His response after the AMA's poked and challenged society. Rather than backing down he challenged our perceptions of what is acceptable. He hasn't just made us fans he has made us activists, or revitalized our activism. He makes us think and question the status quo. He is political in the way that artist should be political in that his art inspires us to examine and engage the world around us. The opening line of "Strut" is "I want to start a revolution" written at a time when he was saying he didn't want to be a poster child for the gay communtity. And he has started a revolution, a "personal solution" in his fan base. How many of us speak of the way he has reshaped us in the course of our fan experience. Many of us have taken up the challenge to "rewrite the role we play". Dada was a response to fascism and we have a kind of neo-fascism going on in this country now. Adam's very existence challenges those ideas and just staying true to himself and strutting his stuff is a political statement all it's own. I love that he isn't afraid to be over the top but he also isn't afraid to tone it down and be understated even though many might see it as a cop out. He isn't afraid to take whatever direction the spirit moves him. I think that's one of the differences between him and Gaga. While Gaga is celebrating the freak aspect she almost seems to be rejecting the "normal" side. By always being weird and outlandish and out there she has put herself in a box that I don't think she can step out of. Could she wake up tomorrow and just do shows as plain old Stephanie Germanatta? I don't think she could. Adam has done a very good job all along of showing different aspects of himself and if he decided to do a stripped down coffee house style tour next time I think the fans would be right there with him because natural or normal Adam seems to be just as interesting as OTT Adam. Think about that VH1 acoustic set where he did DTRH. Most of us were scratching our heads trying to figure out how he could do that song acoustic. It just didn't seem possible, but it worked. I was amazed that it was just a psychedelic as the album version. I also found that red carpet interview from Rupaul's Drag Race with both he and Sutan very interesting. When the drag queen interviewing them asked Adam what his Drag name was or would be he says "Adam Lambert" with a perfectly straight face and waits for them to "get it". That to me was a hint that his stage act for Glam Nation was in many ways a kind of Drag. I have a feeling that if the interviewer had questioned him about it instead of laughing that he would have had a perfectly convincing explanation of what made it drag and I really would love to hear that. I think that there are often deeper meanings to things that he may just never reveal and allows those that get it to revel in that depth without making those that don't get it feel left out or stupid. He did finally acknowledge very late in the tour that the red A on the top hat was in fact a reference to "The Scarlett Letter" but he didn't belabor the point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2011 20:35:24 GMT -5
Speaking of charity:water, has anyone on Atop received their photo of Adam yet? Not freaking, just curious.. ??? I was in the first e-mail bundle, but so far, no go. Have no doubts I'll get it..it is the computer bumpkin in me that whispers.."ya didn't fill the return e-mail out right, ya didn't....gerbils, gerbils everywhere Mine came in on Wednesday. I received the e-mail on March 1. On another GNAFL charity note, I'm watching NCAA basketball and the NCAA is partnering with DonorsChoose on the "Fund the Future" Campaign: ncaafundthefuture.org/Thanks for letting me know, Sandysva! Good for YOU!! And a triple WOOT for DonorsChoose! What a great news day
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Post by SusieFierce on Mar 19, 2011 20:36:10 GMT -5
I was checking the discussion threads on amazon and it seems it started climbing around the time that adamofficial started streaming it and also the EW review had come out. Started to move up after Idol -- then they continued to feed it. Reviews, live stream, twitter. But the other driver is that now is when you buy it to get it on 3/22/11 --- so part is just the release date. People know to wait for best deal. That is so exciting. I REALLLY hope word-of-mouth gets around about how freaking brilliant the live vocals are – this would apply to all formats – pop, rock, mainstream, alternative, you name it. It's just so difficult to deny the quality of those vocals and the audio production quality.
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Post by maria222pf on Mar 19, 2011 20:37:14 GMT -5
Just wanted to let ATOPians in the Vancouver, BC area know that I'll be hosting a DVD viewing dinner party on Sunday April 10 and if you'd like to join us, please let me know. From ATOP we'll have MzSue and Maria22PF plus friends of mine who came to the concerts last year or are interested in seeing the DVD. Canadians will probably not get the DVD as early as fans in the US and because I have shows every Sat. and sometimes Sunday, this was the first Sunday that I'm free - so that's why the somewhat later date. I can't wait! Thank you so much for organizing this ;D
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