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Post by somedayoneday on Jan 22, 2013 8:53:59 GMT -5
Still don't have time yet to get caught up, but what's a Fanthology??  The Fanthology is an exclusive group of Queen collectors, they claim to have many unreleased Queen tracks (such as demos, outtakes, early mixes, etc.) but they are sharing them only within the group and not with the 'general public'. I don't really understand why as I think that Queen music is not THEIR own and should be available to everyone that is interested in listening to it, but anyway they are keeping their gems quite jealously. |
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Post by talon on Jan 22, 2013 9:44:37 GMT -5
^ That's one viewpoint and you are certainly entitled to it. The first paragraph is true. It definitely is an exclusive group of collectors that definitely HAVE (not claim) many unreleased Queen tracks. They have spent a lot of time and money to track down some individual tracks from auctions, investigations, etc. Some have tracks that even Queen Productions don't have anymore, like the legendary Hangman. If you spent $1,000 on something, would you then freely give it away? Or would you instead hold on to it hoping you could use it to obtain other hard to obtain tracks? If everyone was to up and say one day let's release everything! That would be phenomenal! But the world unfortunately don't work that way. In fact the Fanthology people are working more towards that! So they should be viewed more positively. As a group they are working together with all those rarities that are out there but not widely leaked so that they can get the best quality of everything to everyone in the group. THEN when they have squeezed everything they can out of their tracks they are slowly releasing things to the general public. In fact that already began. The high quality BBC Sessions? The first half of the Sun City concert? Even this new Cool Cat demo, has it's sources in the Fanthology. I am not part of the fanthology - I wish I was. I know that some of the few non-widely released tracks I do have have probably come from fanthology sources....but I feel empathy for those sources. For example when I got one of those tracks I was told I couldn't reveal where I got it or release it. It was to be that it didn't exist. If I did, do you think I would sniff anything else again? Now that I have proven my worth, I may receive more eventually. BUT everything will be released...slowly. It just takes patience. I wish it was quicker but everything will take time. When everyone in the fanthology has something and all the hard core collectors do, it will then leak to the public. BUT that isn't meant to be a slight somedayoneday because I certainly understand the impatience  |
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Post by talon on Jan 22, 2013 9:45:48 GMT -5
Beautiful Dreams
Written by: Roger Taylor
Musicians:
Roger Taylor - vocals, guitars, bass, drums, keyboards
David Richards - keyboards
- A slow droney song that works very well.
- Issued as a single in Portugal although I don't know how well it did.
- The track was never played live.
QUOTES:
- "It starts off as an innocent dream like you have as children. Just nice, innocent, uncolored dreams. And then the second verse goes on to growing up a bit and, of course…personal experience, going through some drug thing and finding…chemical dreams, you know, and then the third verse is back to the nuclear nightmare dreams. I used to have a lot of these. If I used to have a bad dream, it was usually about being involved in a holocaust and trying to grab everybody I cared about.” – Roger Taylor
- "It’s just to have a good time now, and it’s a very different idea. I think it’s a good point actually. I don’t know why, but I think something like the dream, like John Lennon said. ‘The dream is over.’ I mean he was referring to something else with The Beatles, but the dream is over. Everybody was sort of optimistic at that point and I think there is this mass realization that, ‘Oh, we’re never gonna change the world.’ It’s just not going to change like that, and it didn’t and all the bad things came out of that like Altamont and all that. Those things like Manson, I suppose. So, people realized and rejected that optimistic philosophy. I dunno, that’s what I think anyway.” – Roger Taylor
There are no alternate or live videos.
PERSONAL NOTES:
- I think this is one of those songs that I gravitate towards because I don't hear it very much. It has a wonderful sentiment of one trying to hold onto dreams amongst the chaos. Very nice and reflective. Roger gets that way sometimes and it usually results in a very touching song.
Next up? Roger's "big" (relatively) single from the album, the song that survived through most of his solo career, Man On Fire
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Post by somedayoneday on Jan 22, 2013 10:14:25 GMT -5
^ That's one viewpoint and you are certainly entitled to it. The first paragraph is true. It definitely is an exclusive group of collectors that definitely HAVE (not claim) many unreleased Queen tracks. They have spent a lot of time and money to track down some individual tracks from auctions, investigations, etc. Some have tracks that even Queen Productions don't have anymore, like the legendary Hangman. If you spent $1,000 on something, would you then freely give it away? Or would you instead hold on to it hoping you could use it to obtain other hard to obtain tracks? If everyone was to up and say one day let's release everything! That would be phenomenal! But the world unfortunately don't work that way. In fact the Fanthology people are working more towards that! So they should be viewed more positively. As a group they are working together with all those rarities that are out there but not widely leaked so that they can get the best quality of everything to everyone in the group. THEN when they have squeezed everything they can out of their tracks they are slowly releasing things to the general public. In fact that already began. The high quality BBC Sessions? The first half of the Sun City concert? Even this new Cool Cat demo, has it's sources in the Fanthology. I am not part of the fanthology - I wish I was. I know that some of the few non-widely released tracks I do have have probably come from fanthology sources....but I feel empathy for those sources. For example when I got one of those tracks I was told I couldn't reveal where I got it or release it. It was to be that it didn't exist. If I did, do you think I would sniff anything else again? Now that I have proven my worth, I may receive more eventually. BUT everything will be released...slowly. It just takes patience. I wish it was quicker but everything will take time. When everyone in the fanthology has something and all the hard core collectors do, it will then leak to the public. BUT that isn't meant to be a slight somedayoneday because I certainly understand the impatience I wrote 'claim' and not 'have' just because we can't be sure of what they actually have until they share it. for example there are many doubts regarding the actual existence and possession of the 'Hangman' studio version, or at least that's what I understood from reading some Queenzone topics. anyway, I understand what you say (and many Queenzone users, especially those from the fanthology group, have written almost the same things) but I personally don't agree with that way of collecting. first of all, that material is stolen material, and they haven't got any right on it, even if they paid for it. but my main doubt is: they are waiting to have everything and then share it, but how will they ever know that they have got everything? it's simply impossible, so if they're really waiting for it, they can wait forever. I think that's just a sort of an excuse, and they just want to keep the tracks for their own. so we will never be able to hear those tracks unless someone shares them against their will (and in fact the infamous Too Much Love Will Kill You writing session or the recent Cool Cat demo have been shared without the 'permission' of the Fanthology group) I think that they are right to keep the original tapes and the high quality files they paid for, but they should share the simple mp3s to the whole general Queen fans. in 2007 I received (through some contacts with a couple of Queen fans from Chile) an mp3 of a complete Dutch Queen Fan Club 2006 convention with many previously unheard demos. and I just immediately shared it with everyone on Queenzone (that's the topic: www.queenzone.com/forums/1045923/queen-convention-demos.aspx) now I guess that all of those demos are on YouTube, etc. but the original source is that mp3 (almost 50mins long) I think that's the right thing to do, but I understand and accept that others may not see it that way. |
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Post by talon on Jan 23, 2013 8:59:52 GMT -5
Well Greg Brooks for example has pretty much confirmed that JSS has Hangman. And you are right that it will take a long time because they will want to make sure they get everything they can and how will they know. I would argue simply that the forming of the illuminati group of sorts does hasten it though as it takes a few of the big guns out of the game if all of them share everything with each other... Part of the other problem though is something I can empathize with more. Let's say I have the Queen version of Let Me In Your Heart Again and you had the Queen version of Man On Fire let's say (Keeping it timely ) and Joe Schmo has a copy of say...Assassin. I trade you Let Me IN Your Heart Again for Man On Fire. I'm also talking to Joe Schmo about Assassin for the same track. Suddenly you go and leak Let Me In Your Heart Again. Now Joe Schmo has no reason to trade Assassin for it! Now again I fully understand your feelings as well and I wish everyone would be more like you honestly! Don't mistake my thoughts for disagreeing with you conceptually at all! I just also know unfortunately it's not the way the world works. Now I also would hope for just some mp3 sourced clips while they keep the HQ versions to themselves as I care FAR more about the material itself than the absolute highest quality unless the quality is dismal (like previous Cool Cat demos). Ahh I see that about 2007 and I want to thank you profusely for doing so  I'm quite sure a lot of the convention demos are probably sourced from that recording See that's it if I found something through my own means I also would gladly leak it. :D Alas the few non-widely released rarities I have, I was sworn to secrecy and I don't want to bite the hand that feeds Then again two out four tracks I do have will probably be made null & void this year anyways  |
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Post by talon on Jan 23, 2013 9:06:37 GMT -5
Man On Fire
Written by: Roger Taylor
Musicians:
Roger Taylor - all instruments and vocals
David Richards - keyboards
- Issued as a single in the US where it did not chart and in the UK where it hit #66. It was also released to no success in Australia or Japan.
- Roger played this song all the time with the Cross and throughout his solo career.
- As noted during The Works there is a Queen version of this in the vaults although that doesn't mean a Freddie vocal version. In fact it might be very similar.
ALTERNATE OFFICIAL RELEASED VERSIONS
12" EXTENDED VERSION
- ESSENTIAL
- Similar to the Strange Frontier extended version there is an extended percussive intro and some additional percussion throughout.
LIVE VERSIONS
THE CROSS - LIVE IN GENEVA - 1990
- Great version. It's always interesting seeing Roger and a guitar at the front of the stage!
ROGER TAYLOR - LIVE
I couldn't find any YT vids of Roger solo doing the track unfortunately!
PERSONAL NOTES:
- I think that this and Strange Frontier have similar feels but they both rock. This is a great Springsteenesque rocker that worked well live and is great to shout around to!
Next up? Speaking of Springsteen - Roger's take on a Springsteen track, Racing In The Street
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Post by talon on Jan 24, 2013 9:05:41 GMT -5
Racing In The Street
Written by: Bruce Springsteen
Musicians:
Roger Taylor - vocals, guitars, bass, drums, keyboards
David Richards - keyboards
- The first straight out cover recorded by one of the band members.
- Roger takes Bruce's very slow ballad version and speeds it up to a mid tempo rocker to great effect.
- This was never performed live which is a shame - it would have fit in well with I'm In Love With My Car
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- I’ve always loved that song. I did it kind of mid-tempo, hopefully the way he
would have done it if he would have decided to do it mid-tempo. His version, of
course is very slow.” – Roger Taylor - 1984
ORIGINAL VERSION FOR REFERENCE:
PERSONAL NOTES:
- It is very fitting that Roger cover the Boss as he was very much into being the UK version of Bruce at this time. This whole album has a bit of a Springsteen vibe. To no surprise given my bias I prefer the Roger rocking version over the original but the original is a wonderful ballad...almost a completely different song in that feel.
Next up? ANOTHER cover! This time Roger takes on one of his heroes, Bob Dylan by covering Masters Of War
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Post by talon on Jan 25, 2013 8:38:29 GMT -5
Masters Of WarWritten by: Bob Dylan Musicians: Roger Taylor - vocals, guitar, bass, drums, keyboards David Richards - keyboards - Cover of Bob Dylan’s track from The Freewheelin Bob Dylan, Roger adds a verse (the fourth verse) that is not from either of the officially released version (the second being from the live album, Real Live). It is unknown whether Roger wrote his own verse, or they were from a live performance he saw as Bob often altered the lyrics in concert. He doesn’t give himself any credit for the verse. - Roger never attempted this one live. QUOTE “The other cover tune is a very old Dylan protest song which I sort of did electronically. Strangely enough, a lot of the lyrics hold up quite well today. This one is done slower than ‘Racing in the Street’ but it’s very electronic. I use a Linn (drum machine) on it. It works quite nicely.” – Roger Taylor – Jim Ladd Interview – 1984 ORIGINAL VERSION FOR REFERENCE: MEDIAFIRE LINKPERSONAL NOTES: - I thought this was a brilliant update of the song. As it was 1984 it was going to be electronic in nature but the coldness of it worked quite well. Roger would develop a very political voice over the years so this fit him like a glove. I wish though I could have seen him do it closer to the original live but alas...not yet anyways! Next up: Freddie gives Roger a hand in Killing Time
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Post by talon on Jan 26, 2013 7:47:33 GMT -5
Killing Time
Written by: Roger Taylor
Musicians:
Roger Taylor - vocals, guitars, bass, drums, keyboards
David Richards - keyboards
Freddie Mercury - backing vocals (?)
- A moving bass line and some keyboards with a very relaxed Roger vocal.
- Freddie was not given credit for backing vocals which is why I have to put the (?) after his name although in my opinion that is definitely him at 3:09 or so during the orchestral break. There were some Queen scholars who went so far as to suggest that Freddie co-wrote it. In my opinion it is more likely that if anything, he re-arranged it much like he did Radio Ga Ga. I also think it quite likely given Freddie's involvement that it was tried as a Queen track first so there may be a Queen version in the vaults somewhere.
- Roger did not attempt this track live.
PERSONAL NOTES: - I love this track. It's a laid back groove usually more associated with Freddie and John than Roger but it works quite well. The orchestral break also is well timed and quite beautiful.
Next up, Roger goes Bowiesque with Abandonfire
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Post by talon on Jan 27, 2013 7:47:53 GMT -5
AbandonfireWritten by: Roger Taylor/David Richards Musicians: Roger Taylor - vocals, guitars, bass, drums, keyboards David Richards - keyboards - Roger works with David Richards to create an 80s Bowiesque type of rocker. Chock full of synths which is no surprise given Richards involvement. It is danceable. - This is the first time Roger involved a co-writer on his album. - This track was never attempted live. PERSONAL NOTES: - It does emulate 80s Bowie well but that isn't my favorite Bowie period (except for Labyrinth ). All in all it is a well crafted though forgettable and mostly skipped track on the album for myself. Next up: Roger's ode to Young Love
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I'm quite sure a lot of the convention demos are probably sourced from that recording 