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Post by lenka29 on Mar 7, 2016 2:55:29 GMT -5
So is the standart lenght for US the shorter one and some venues wants longer show or is the standart lenght the longer one and some venues want the shorter show?
So far there have been more shorter shows than the longer ones in US I think.
I had no idea that some venues have influence on the lenght of concert.
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Post by 3ku1 on Mar 7, 2016 2:59:05 GMT -5
There are some new tweets from Shoshanna but I don't know how to copy them here. But she says it's a deal with each venue. That doesn't make sense to me. It's his show Not really the venue organise the event. So the deal dictates set list. As shosh said. In.terms of time constraints. Clearly a reason why he's performing some songs and not. I think the 70-80'min show is fine any way.
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Post by mszue on Mar 7, 2016 3:09:46 GMT -5
So is the standart lenght for US the shorter one and some venues wants longer show or is the standart lenght the longer one and some venues want the shorter show? So far there have been more shorter shows than the longer ones in US I think. I had no idea that some venues have influence on the lenght of concert. Frankly, i find that quite hard to believe. There must be some reason but frankly, other than the GNT, I have not seen a show this short, whether local small time or large venue A listers like Elton John ...the only exceptions to that are festival appearances and the headliners there perform close to this one hour level....cannot believe venue differences other than possible minimum times. Very curious...
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Post by thelambertluvva on Mar 7, 2016 3:14:38 GMT -5
What I am wondering is when Adam was questioned about taking out songs, he said he liked to change up the setlist. Why didn't he just say at that point that is was venue constraints?
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Post by betty on Mar 7, 2016 3:33:19 GMT -5
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Post by augenpoesie on Mar 7, 2016 3:36:52 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Mar 7, 2016 3:42:50 GMT -5
It seems to me that the contract with the venue would stipulate how long the concert was to be. If an artist did not perform for the specified time, they might get docked or fined. But, also, if they performed longer than specified there could be a penalty.
I recall when I did some work with equity theaters they had VERY strict regulations about going over the contracted rehearsal times. If the rehearsals ran just five minutes over, the actors, musicians, stagehands, production assistants, lighting crew, etc, etc, etc all had to be paid overtime. And not just 5 minutes overtime. I think it may have been a full hour.
So, while audience members would love for an artist to play on and on, the venue would not want it. Think of all the behind the scenes people they have. Even the cleaning crew would have to be paid extra if the concert ran over.
The more I think about it, the more I believe that Adam is performing sets according to the contract agreement.
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Post by lenka29 on Mar 7, 2016 3:51:16 GMT -5
It all seems kinda strange and unusual since I think most of concerts are usually quite longer but I hardly think Shoshanna would lie...
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Post by bridgeymah on Mar 7, 2016 4:20:03 GMT -5
It seems to me that the contract with the venue would stipulate how long the concert was to be. If an artist did not perform for the specified time, they might get docked or fined. But, also, if they performed longer than specified there could be a penalty. I recall when I did some work with equity theaters they had VERY strict regulations about going over the contracted rehearsal times. If the rehearsals ran just five minutes over, the actors, musicians, stagehands, production assistants, lighting crew, etc, etc, etc all had to be paid overtime. And not just 5 minutes overtime. I think it may have been a full hour. So, while audience members would love for an artist to play on and on, the venue would not want it. Think of all the behind the scenes people they have. Even the cleaning crew would have to be paid extra if the concert ran over. The more I think about it, the more I believe that Adam is performing sets according to the contract agreement. Makes sense to me. Is very different arrangement here in oz - mostly limits are due to noise curfews seeing many venues are in mixed residential areas. For example the noise curfew here in oz at Melbourne shows is 11pm. Adam's show finished at about 10.30 which is usual. The venue booking fee includes staffing etc for the projected event size and length (ie crowd size determines number of security people). But those are not unionised so no overtime etc costs if show runs long.
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Post by Misha on Mar 7, 2016 4:23:46 GMT -5
Shoshanna Stone: "actually it's the other way around. The longer set is wayyyyy longer than the ticket price. So they're lucky"
Is she freaking kidding? "LUCKY"??? People are paying hard-earned money. It's an exchange of goods and services. He's not doing anybody any favors out of the kindness of his heart.
Does Adam/his management live in the real world? Are they aware of the price of the tickets---from $40 to $70 or more (PLUS FEES) just for regular tickets. Plus gas (some people are paying for long-distance transportation but that's their decision) and parking. And some people pay for a babysitter and concessions and merchandise at the show. All that output of funds for 70 minutes of a performance? Heck, the wait between acts is 40 minutes. That's a long time to wait for a 70-minute show.
A less than 90-minute concert is NOT STANDARD in the music industry. It makes me angry when people (i.e., Shoshanna) are patronizing and treat fans like idiots. If everyone was paying $20 a ticket, then maybe the longer set is "wayyyyy longer than the ticket price." Otherwise, no.
It does not seem fair to offer a severely truncated show to some people and not others, if he is not sick, and without adjusting the prices charged accordingly. How come variable ticket prices weren't factored into these contracts?
I just frankly don't believe the response about the length of the show being determined by each of these venues (maybe in the case of some casinos, but otherwise I don't buy it). I guess it only applies to venues in America and nowhere else in the world. Maybe everyone should call their respective venues and ask to know, as a paying customer, what rules the venue has laid down for Adam.
Adam has been going almost nonstop since his album dropped. I UNDERSTAND if he is just plain exhausted at this point. But that's not the fault of the fans who bought tickets to his show. And because I don't believe Shoshanna's answer about the venue dictating Adam's set time, and since she says he's not sick, it just feels like he's cutting the show short sometimes because he's just "over it" or not feeling it that day, and that just seems like a big FU to fans, fans who've been waiting six years for a tour and many new fans who are seeing him for the first time. It's not the fans' fault if he's overscheduled himself. And sorry if I sound unfeeling, but if that's the situation then I think he just needs to rest every second he's not on stage and make an effort to pretend to want to be there for an extra 15 minutes or so a night, same as he's probably done when he was acting in a stage show.
I'd already commented a few days ago on the length of the set so I was trying hard to remain Zen in advance of my concert (Shoshanna's tweets just shattered any chill I had), plus there were already several excellent posts earlier tonight that echo what I feel. So all I'll say is that I have friends coming to Adam's concert who are seeing him solo for the first time and I'd like for them, and any other potential new fans, to have every opportunity to be wowed. Also, for me personally, I go to concerts to experience a connection with an artist and to spend time in that artist's company. Yes, I would prefer that most of that time be spent with them performing, but if they can't or are not willing to do that, then I'd appreciate time spent in some other communal way that I can't get by staying home listening to CDs, with my money in my pocket.
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