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Post by Q3 on Apr 15, 2016 23:28:54 GMT -5
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Post by lurleene on Apr 15, 2016 23:40:46 GMT -5
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Thanks, but I know GT went top 20 and also gold in the states as I am in the states. That was not my point. I also said it was played on my station on the way out but you may have missed that. My frustration is mine so that is what I voiced. I also know about the streaming. And yes, I even understand about the need for him to write the pronoun of choice. But I was talking about radio play and why can't he get that on a greater level. Imo, it does have an impact on other areas.
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Post by 3ku1 on Apr 15, 2016 23:44:20 GMT -5
What does it really matter about the pronoun for Adam when he barely gets any radio play in some places now? On my local station they played Idol songs immediately from the top Idols. Kris was played right away but no FYE for Adam. When WWFM was released they finally played it when it reached top 20. They never played IIHY. When BTIKM was released I waited for it to reach top 20 only to be played for a short period. But my heart was broken when they played Durbin and Haley when they were nowhere near top 20. When GT came out, again top 20 before it was played. But it was almost at the end of the run so it did not last long. Fradiani was played as was D. Cook with his last song (he is not even on a label now). ALN never made it to the station at all. It is frustrating and hurtful. So why is there a fight for a pronoun? Is that going to open up radio play for him or just give fans something to smile about? If you can't get a lot of radio play you get excluded from the award shows. That keeps the album sales and single sales low. And please don't say he needs to write a hit. That is such BS. This is the question for me as well! I do live in an area where the local top40 has supported Adam now and in the past, but I don't get how he gets played on some top 40 like where I live, and not others? Aren't they all owned by the some conglomerate?
I was driving today and heard the new Nick Jonas song featuring Tove Lo. What a snoozer(IMO), yuck. But why is that song getting all the airplay and not something with Adam? I know Jonas is popular right now, but geez. Don't understand people like the ones mentioned above getting more radio interest than Adam...are Cook et al getting lots of streams and you tube views?
As Q3 mentioned in a previous post, maybe its as simple as some advertisers are against artists like Adam who is an outlier and likes to push boundaries. The other idols are just very mainstream. ????
Could it be radio try to advertise and target to a younger audience maybe? I dunno. Adam gets higher streams then most idols. Adam maybe too out side the mainstream outlier for radio. That and hes homeless on radio. Hes too cool for Hac. Not hip enough for Top 40. I dont know its a forever mystery haha.
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Post by Q3 on Apr 15, 2016 23:45:36 GMT -5
What does it really matter about the pronoun for Adam when he barely gets any radio play in some places now? On my local station they played Idol songs immediately from the top Idols. Kris was played right away but no FYE for Adam. When WWFM was released they finally played it when it reached top 20. They never played IIHY. When BTIKM was released I waited for it to reach top 20 only to be played for a short period. But my heart was broken when they played Durbin and Haley when they were nowhere near top 20. When GT came out, again top 20 before it was played. But it was almost at the end of the run so it did not last long. Fradiani was played as was D. Cook with his last song (he is not even on a label now). ALN never made it to the station at all. It is frustrating and hurtful. So why is there a fight for a pronoun? Is that going to open up radio play for him or just give fans something to smile about? If you can't get a lot of radio play you get excluded from the award shows. That keeps the album sales and single sales low. And please don't say he needs to write a hit. That is such BS. I don't understand radio play. I remember back when 'Trespassing' was just starting . . . I went to the Alice radio promo show and the DJs were all over Adam . . . I emailed the people at RadioAlice in SF and requested Adam . . . their response was 'not yet - we're just beginning the cycle' . . . but, as the days and weeks went by, I never heard BTIKM or NCOE - or anything from the album - at all . . . not even once. Fast forward to now. I've heard GT a few times; far too few for a 'hit' . . . and heard ALN maybe three or four times since its release - and I'm talking about every radio station in the greater SF area. I flip through them all, constantly trying to find something worth listening to that isn't Bieber or Swift or Levine or Adele or Sheeran or Trainor. I swear, sometimes three stations have the same song playing all at once! But it's never Adam. So, I don't get it. If someone can explain how radio play works in a way this simpleton can understand, I'm all ears. It's just frustrating to know about the great music out there - not just Adam - that doesn't see the light of day. Why? For starters, radio is mostly local programming and only the biggest hits get played in all major markets. WWFM was played in ever market in the US -- it was a mainstream pop hit. GT, for example, was played heavily is many markets in the US. So in LA, it was a top 10 song while in the Bay area and up the coast to Seattle it barely made an impact. GT is the first deep house track to get pop radio airplay in the US. Deep house is a genre that is big in LA, Chicago, Detroit, Memphis, etc. but not important in many, many markets like Seattle, Portland and San Francisco. It was a very daring lead single. *** Adam is not very likely to have a mainstream pop megahit -- they are very rare and only a small number of artists ever get one. *** Programming is mostly based on the station format-target audience, what listeners actually do (personal meter ratings), and some amount of song testing PLUS iTunes sales charts, streaming media info, and to a lesser degree YouTube numbers. CHR/Top 40 stations mostly target people who are 18-29 and are programmed to deliver that audience to advertisers. HAC/Adult Pop stations mostly target women who are 25-49/55 and are programmed to deliver that audience to advertisers. A record label can put together a promotion that will give a station some ad dollars in online advertising, a promo concert, an ad tie in that will entice advertisers, and so on to get a song on the radio. *** THE SHORT ANSWER $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Radio stations are commercial businesses designed to deliver an audience to advertising so they can make money. The Pop stations play what is popular. As bad as this seems, US radio has vastly more variety than UK radio.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Apr 15, 2016 23:54:00 GMT -5
I don't understand radio play. I remember back when 'Trespassing' was just starting . . . I went to the Alice radio promo show and the DJs were all over Adam . . . I emailed the people at RadioAlice in SF and requested Adam . . . their response was 'not yet - we're just beginning the cycle' . . . but, as the days and weeks went by, I never heard BTIKM or NCOE - or anything from the album - at all . . . not even once. Fast forward to now. I've heard GT a few times; far too few for a 'hit' . . . and heard ALN maybe three or four times since its release - and I'm talking about every radio station in the greater SF area. I flip through them all, constantly trying to find something worth listening to that isn't Bieber or Swift or Levine or Adele or Sheeran or Trainor. I swear, sometimes three stations have the same song playing all at once! But it's never Adam. So, I don't get it. If someone can explain how radio play works in a way this simpleton can understand, I'm all ears. It's just frustrating to know about the great music out there - not just Adam - that doesn't see the light of day. Why? For starters, radio is mostly local programming and only the biggest hits get played in all major markets. WWFM was played in ever market in the US -- it was a mainstream pop hit. GT, for example, was played heavily is many markets in the US. So in LA, it was a top 10 song while in the Bay area and up the coast to Seattle it barely made an impact. GT is the first deep house track to get pop radio airplay in the US. Deep house is a genre that is big in LA, Chicago, Detroit, Memphis, etc. but not important in many, many markets like Seattle, Portland and San Francisco. It was a very daring lead single. *** Adam is not very likely to have a mainstream pop megahit -- they are very rare and only a small number of artists ever get one. *** Programming is mostly based on the station format-target audience, what listeners actually do (personal meter ratings), and some amount of song testing PLUS iTunes sales charts, streaming media info, and to a lesser degree YouTube numbers. CHR/Top 40 stations mostly target people who are 18-29 and are programmed to deliver that audience to advertisers. HAC/Adult Pop stations mostly target women who are 25-49/55 and are programmed to deliver that audience to advertisers. A record label can put together a promotion that will give a station some ad dollars in online advertising, a promo concert, an ad tie in that will entice advertisers, and so on to get a song on the radio. *** THE SHORT ANSWER $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Radio stations are commercial businesses designed to deliver an audience to advertising so they can make money. The Pop stations play what is popular. As bad as this seems, US radio has vastly more variety than UK radio. I still haven't figured out what a "deep house track" is? Can anyone explain it to me?
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Post by 3ku1 on Apr 16, 2016 0:13:54 GMT -5
For starters, radio is mostly local programming and only the biggest hits get played in all major markets. WWFM was played in ever market in the US -- it was a mainstream pop hit. GT, for example, was played heavily is many markets in the US. So in LA, it was a top 10 song while in the Bay area and up the coast to Seattle it barely made an impact. GT is the first deep house track to get pop radio airplay in the US. Deep house is a genre that is big in LA, Chicago, Detroit, Memphis, etc. but not important in many, many markets like Seattle, Portland and San Francisco. It was a very daring lead single. *** Adam is not very likely to have a mainstream pop megahit -- they are very rare and only a small number of artists ever get one. *** Programming is mostly based on the station format-target audience, what listeners actually do (personal meter ratings), and some amount of song testing PLUS iTunes sales charts, streaming media info, and to a lesser degree YouTube numbers. CHR/Top 40 stations mostly target people who are 18-29 and are programmed to deliver that audience to advertisers. HAC/Adult Pop stations mostly target women who are 25-49/55 and are programmed to deliver that audience to advertisers. A record label can put together a promotion that will give a station some ad dollars in online advertising, a promo concert, an ad tie in that will entice advertisers, and so on to get a song on the radio. *** THE SHORT ANSWER $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Radio stations are commercial businesses designed to deliver an audience to advertising so they can make money. The Pop stations play what is popular. As bad as this seems, US radio has vastly more variety than UK radio. I still haven't figured out what a "deep house track" is? Can anyone explain it to me? Apparently subgenre of House Music. Origins are soul, jazz etc.
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Post by sizzling63 on Apr 16, 2016 0:32:54 GMT -5
What does it really matter about the pronoun for Adam when he barely gets any radio play in some places now? On my local station they played Idol songs immediately from the top Idols. Kris was played right away but no FYE for Adam. When WWFM was released they finally played it when it reached top 20. They never played IIHY. When BTIKM was released I waited for it to reach top 20 only to be played for a short period. But my heart was broken when they played Durbin and Haley when they were nowhere near top 20. When GT came out, again top 20 before it was played. But it was almost at the end of the run so it did not last long. Fradiani was played as was D. Cook with his last song (he is not even on a label now). ALN never made it to the station at all. It is frustrating and hurtful. So why is there a fight for a pronoun? Is that going to open up radio play for him or just give fans something to smile about? If you can't get a lot of radio play you get excluded from the award shows. That keeps the album sales and single sales low. And please don't say he needs to write a hit. That is such BS. I understand your frustration. Here in the Bay Area Adam's music has been played decently even though I can't give an accurate report. Some songs were more popular than others but we had about 3-4 radio stations that played GT immediately once it was released. Too bad that there is a lack of radio support in some areas, but it's great to know that GT became a hit due to streaming! That's our chance! Can someone tell me how radio support can be so lop sided? Isn't radio programming more streamlined? Sorry, I'm clueless. Edit: I just learned that GT never caught on in the Bay Area (despite the initial support). I wasn't even aware. Embarrassing. This is me and radio lol...back to streaming.
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Post by 3ku1 on Apr 16, 2016 0:38:32 GMT -5
What does it really matter about the pronoun for Adam when he barely gets any radio play in some places now? On my local station they played Idol songs immediately from the top Idols. Kris was played right away but no FYE for Adam. When WWFM was released they finally played it when it reached top 20. They never played IIHY. When BTIKM was released I waited for it to reach top 20 only to be played for a short period. But my heart was broken when they played Durbin and Haley when they were nowhere near top 20. When GT came out, again top 20 before it was played. But it was almost at the end of the run so it did not last long. Fradiani was played as was D. Cook with his last song (he is not even on a label now). ALN never made it to the station at all. It is frustrating and hurtful. So why is there a fight for a pronoun? Is that going to open up radio play for him or just give fans something to smile about? If you can't get a lot of radio play you get excluded from the award shows. That keeps the album sales and single sales low. And please don't say he needs to write a hit. That is such BS. I understand your frustration. Here in the Bay Area Adam's music has been played decently even though I can't give an accurate report. Some songs were more popular than others but we had about 3-4 radio stations that played GT immediately once it was released. Too bad that there is a lack of radio support in some areas, but it's great to know that GT became a hit due to streaming! That's our chance! Can someone tell me how radio support can be so lop sided? Isn't radio programming more streamlined? Sorry, I'm clueless. $$$$$$$ lol, that's why. But another argument is bias..Their are a ton of other artist's who don't get radio play either. But their are other mediums to get success with your music now. Like streaming. Gt was a megahit in terms of that. Still going toi. I see it hitting 150 mill in about 3 or 4 months or so. Pop radio play what's popular. Im sure if Adams song wss top ten at ITunes. Or Global Or Us charts. He would get played. I guess Ss does or did last year. Hes YOUR safe gay though haha.
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Apr 16, 2016 0:47:26 GMT -5
I still haven't figured out what a "deep house track" is? Can anyone explain it to me? Apparently subgenre of House Music. Origins are soul, jazz etc. I don't understand what House Music is either?
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Post by sizzling63 on Apr 16, 2016 0:48:25 GMT -5
I don't understand radio play. I remember back when 'Trespassing' was just starting . . . I went to the Alice radio promo show and the DJs were all over Adam . . . I emailed the people at RadioAlice in SF and requested Adam . . . their response was 'not yet - we're just beginning the cycle' . . . but, as the days and weeks went by, I never heard BTIKM or NCOE - or anything from the album - at all . . . not even once. Fast forward to now. I've heard GT a few times; far too few for a 'hit' . . . and heard ALN maybe three or four times since its release - and I'm talking about every radio station in the greater SF area. I flip through them all, constantly trying to find something worth listening to that isn't Bieber or Swift or Levine or Adele or Sheeran or Trainor. I swear, sometimes three stations have the same song playing all at once! But it's never Adam. So, I don't get it. If someone can explain how radio play works in a way this simpleton can understand, I'm all ears. It's just frustrating to know about the great music out there - not just Adam - that doesn't see the light of day. Why? For starters, radio is mostly local programming and only the biggest hits get played in all major markets. WWFM was played in ever market in the US -- it was a mainstream pop hit. GT, for example, was played heavily is many markets in the US. So in LA, it was a top 10 song while in the Bay area and up the coast to Seattle it barely made an impact. GT is the first deep house track to get pop radio airplay in the US. Deep house is a genre that is big in LA, Chicago, Detroit, Memphis, etc. but not important in many, many markets like Seattle, Portland and San Francisco. It was a very daring lead single. *** Adam is not very likely to have a mainstream pop megahit -- they are very rare and only a small number of artists ever get one. *** Programming is mostly based on the station format-target audience, what listeners actually do (personal meter ratings), and some amount of song testing PLUS iTunes sales charts, streaming media info, and to a lesser degree YouTube numbers. CHR/Top 40 stations mostly target people who are 18-29 and are programmed to deliver that audience to advertisers. HAC/Adult Pop stations mostly target women who are 25-49/55 and are programmed to deliver that audience to advertisers. A record label can put together a promotion that will give a station some ad dollars in online advertising, a promo concert, an ad tie in that will entice advertisers, and so on to get a song on the radio. *** THE SHORT ANSWER $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Radio stations are commercial businesses designed to deliver an audience to advertising so they can make money. The Pop stations play what is popular. As bad as this seems, US radio has vastly more variety than UK radio. "GT, for example, was played heavily in many markets in the US. So in LA, it was a top 10 song while in the Bay area and up the coast to Seattle it barely made an impact." - Interesting...I had no clue. But I do know that all the major SF radio stations gave GT a shot initially, as I remember how excited I was when I heard it on every station one morning when I was out on errands. So it never picked up, I guess...I didn't even notice as I don't listen to radio consistently enough. But now I understand why Adam didn't tour in the Bay Area. Read more: adamtopia.com/thread/3677/adam-delivers-another-concert-london#ixzz45xulGHxa
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