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Post by girldrummer on Jan 5, 2017 12:22:28 GMT -5
So the #iHeartAwards are not putting #Glamberts in the #BestFanArmy 2017 contest? I didn't see us listed on twitter. No glamberts weren't nominated. But after Ihr manipulated the glamberts last year for ratings. I won't lose sleep over it. Is there a write-in option?
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Post by barnowl on Jan 5, 2017 12:34:07 GMT -5
When I first saw Adam on idol, I thought he has the look now pray he can sing .Wasn't a fan of Satisfaction,but Ring of Fire was the song for me. My husband was watching and said "that's talent for you". I've been hooked ever since and look forward to album 4.
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Post by thelambertluvva on Jan 5, 2017 19:47:56 GMT -5
Hi Cassie, I have been wanting to ask you the same question you are asking about other peoples' negative perception of Adam's voice. In yesterday's thread you said Adam "sings on pitch consistently and reliably". But besides comments on YouTube that he screams, has goat vibrato, sings with no emotion, the ones that bother me the most are the ones that insist Adam is always flat. One is a Marc Martel fan who goes on every QAL video and says how horrible a singer he is and how he is always flat or off-key. She even said he was hollering on the Isle of Wight WWTLF. How anyone can find fault with that performance I will never know. I also remember someone who claimed to be a singer with perfect pitch who said that Adam was very pitchy during "Tracks of My Tears". I remember some other comments from someone else (I think he was a singer too) who sang that said he was pitchy during "A Change Is Gonna Come". I don't hear anything pitchy in either of those but I not a singer or musician. Could people with perfect pitch (or some other hearing characteristic) be hearing something that 99% of the population is not? To address your different points. As to the Martel fan who thinks Adam is always off-key.... I suspect a little fan bias there. I have listened to Martel on several live videos, and his pitch is not horrible, but it is a bit shaky at times. It sounds like he is not supporting his tone or pitch with adequate or proper breath control. Now, if Martel sounded spot on to my ears, I might consider that the fan who hears Adam as off-key might be more sensitive to pitch than me.... scoring at 99.9% where I only score at 99.1%. Adam might actually be off by that tiny bit that I cannot discern. But, since Martel definitely misses the mark at times when I listen, I don't consider the fan's critique genuine. As to Adam hollering on WWTLF, Martel's voice is more brittle and less warm and round than Adam's. It is that brittle lack of lower harmonic overtones that makes a voice sound like screaming more than singing. If the listener's ear cannot discern the harmonic overtones clearly, strongly or accurately, perhaps they cannot appreciate the fullness of Adam's high register? I remember the singer with perfect pitch who claimed he was pitchy in TOMT and ACIGC. It is POSSIBLE that he has such fine pitch perception that he COULD hear a pitch variance that you and I do not. My question is if ADAM is off-pitch, what about everyone else? Where could the critic find someone with a more finely tune pitch than Adam? There is also the question of when is a note off-key? What is the acceptable tolerance? Vibratos actually are oscillating changes in pitch frequency.... just slight, but definitely there. So, when a singer employs vibrato, is he singing off-key? No. Most ears say the variation is not significant, and actually adds depth to the sound. One of the problems with auto-tune is that it can eliminate the small variations in the vibrato, changing it to a straight tone without warmth. Sometimes the tone is so "perfect" in pitch it sounds unnatural or synthetic... which it is. The anatomy of the ear mechanism is incredibly complex, and I suspect no two people hear sound exactly the same way because the mechanical and nerve components respond slightly differently. Then you add to that the background and musical styles each person has grown up with and listened to for years and what is divine to one person's ear, mind and heart is "meh" or even "yuck" to another's. As for me..... Adam is as close to divine as I have heard in a male voice. Hi Cassie. Thanks so much for your detailed explanation of what you think might be happening. Regarding Marc and his fan....I have listened to several of Marc's live videos (in fact just recently saw several from Plymouth) and I just wasn't impressed. I couldn't tell if his pitch was shaky but I just didn't feel a thing. I didn't hear the 3D effect and resonance that Adam has, he had no stage presence, was low energy, and just seemed like he was going through the motions. Some notes seemed strained and some key notes seemed to be sung by the band members or audience. Just compare the way he and Adam sing The Show Must Go On. IMHO, like night and day. What I still don't understand is that if he is supposed to be so much better singer than Adam according to this fan and others, then why doesn't he sing Who Wants to Live Forever? At first it was because a woman was singing it but she's no longer in the show. Could it be that he can't sing it in addition to all the other songs in the set? That's fascinating what you said about vibrato and autotune. I googled perfect pitch and it said only on in ten thousand people had it. So as you said, perhaps the perfect pitch person COULD hear a pitch variance that you and I do not. And if it is that rare, sounds like most other people do not. However, I did come across this article that perfect pitch people are not so special after all. What do you think of it? mic.com/articles/109692/turns-out-people-who-claim-they-have-perfect-pitch-are-not-so-special-after-all#.Wcrw8uVKYThanks again for answering my questions.
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Post by cassie on Jan 5, 2017 22:34:33 GMT -5
Hi Cassie. Thanks so much for your detailed explanation of what you think might be happening. Regarding Marc and his fan....I have listened to several of Marc's live videos (in fact just recently saw several from Plymouth) and I just wasn't impressed. I couldn't tell if his pitch was shaky but I just didn't feel a thing. I didn't hear the 3D effect and resonance that Adam has, he had no stage presence, was low energy, and just seemed like he was going through the motions. Some notes seemed strained and some key notes seemed to be sung by the band members or audience. Just compare the way he and Adam sing The Show Must Go On. IMHO, like night and day. What I still don't understand is that if he is supposed to be so much better singer than Adam according to this fan and others, then why doesn't he sing Who Wants to Live Forever? At first it was because a woman was singing it but she's no longer in the show. Could it be that he can't sing it in addition to all the other songs in the set? That's fascinating what you said about vibrato and autotune. I googled perfect pitch and it said only on in ten thousand people had it. So as you said, perhaps the perfect pitch person COULD hear a pitch variance that you and I do not. And if it is that rare, sounds like most other people do not. However, I did come across this article that perfect pitch people are not so special after all. What do you think of it? mic.com/articles/109692/turns-out-people-who-claim-they-have-perfect-pitch-are-not-so-special-after-all#.Wcrw8uVKYThanks again for answering my questions. What is "perfect pitch?" It is the ability to hear any tone, sung, played on an instrument, or hummed by your air conditioner and name the note. Conversely, if told the name of a note (for example, C#4) a person with perfect pitch can sing it just out of the blue, without reference to another note, another singer or another instrument. It's a nifty parlor trick, IMO. Sort of like someone who, given any date in history, can tell you what day of the week it fell on without resorting to any computation. Whoop-de-doo! These folks can tune a guitar or a violin without any reference tone to compare it to. But, if you have a good ear and a little training, you can accomplish the same thing with a single tuning fork or a pitch pipe. Tap the tuning fork, listen to the tone, then match it with the guitar or violin string. Those folks who have poor pitch discrimination may have trouble doing that, but the average person can do it easily. Perfect pitch is not necessary to sing in tune, or to remember a melody, or to play or sing well with others. It certainly is not necessary to appreciate music in all its forms, and, as the article said, can actually interfere with one's enjoyment of a performance. To be a successful musician, one needs to have good enough pitch discrimination to tell if they are singing or playing in tune with a degree of accuracy that sounds right to the average audience member. One has to be able to hear, remember and reproduce melody lines and harmony chords. Music is universal; found in every culture. People have been singing and playing music since they were living in caves as hunter gatherers. Before there was the written word, people used songs to teach and pass on knowledge to the next generation . (A la the Alphabet song). If the average person could not discriminate between notes or melodies, and could not reproduce them, music would not be ubiquitous. As long as you can hear and love Adam's voice and recognize what song he is singing and what he does to change up things to make it fresh, your ears are serving you well.
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Post by Holst on Jan 6, 2017 15:28:23 GMT -5
Hi Cassie. Thanks so much for your detailed explanation of what you think might be happening. Regarding Marc and his fan....I have listened to several of Marc's live videos (in fact just recently saw several from Plymouth) and I just wasn't impressed. I couldn't tell if his pitch was shaky but I just didn't feel a thing. I didn't hear the 3D effect and resonance that Adam has, he had no stage presence, was low energy, and just seemed like he was going through the motions. Some notes seemed strained and some key notes seemed to be sung by the band members or audience. Just compare the way he and Adam sing The Show Must Go On. IMHO, like night and day. What I still don't understand is that if he is supposed to be so much better singer than Adam according to this fan and others, then why doesn't he sing Who Wants to Live Forever? At first it was because a woman was singing it but she's no longer in the show. Could it be that he can't sing it in addition to all the other songs in the set? That's fascinating what you said about vibrato and autotune. I googled perfect pitch and it said only on in ten thousand people had it. So as you said, perhaps the perfect pitch person COULD hear a pitch variance that you and I do not. And if it is that rare, sounds like most other people do not. However, I did come across this article that perfect pitch people are not so special after all. What do you think of it? mic.com/articles/109692/turns-out-people-who-claim-they-have-perfect-pitch-are-not-so-special-after-all#.Wcrw8uVKYThanks again for answering my questions. What is "perfect pitch?" It is the ability to hear any tone, sung, played on an instrument, or hummed by your air conditioner and name the note. Conversely, if told the name of a note (for example, C#4) a person with perfect pitch can sing it just out of the blue, without reference to another note, another singer or another instrument. It's a nifty parlor trick, IMO. Sort of like someone who, given any date in history, can tell you what day of the week it fell on without resorting to any computation. Whoop-de-doo! These folks can tune a guitar or a violin without any reference tone to compare it to. But, if you have a good ear and a little training, you can accomplish the same thing with a single tuning fork or a pitch pipe. Tap the tuning fork, listen to the tone, then match it with the guitar or violin string. Those folks who have poor pitch discrimination may have trouble doing that, but the average person can do it easily. Perfect pitch is not necessary to sing in tune, or to remember a melody, or to play or sing well with others. It certainly is not necessary to appreciate music in all its forms, and, as the article said, can actually interfere with one's enjoyment of a performance. To be a successful musician, one needs to have good enough pitch discrimination to tell if they are singing or playing in tune with a degree of accuracy that sounds right to the average audience member. One has to be able to hear, remember and reproduce melody lines and harmony chords. Music is universal; found in every culture. People have been singing and playing music since they were living in caves as hunter gatherers. Before there was the written word, people used songs to teach and pass on knowledge to the next generation . (A la the Alphabet song). If the average person could not discriminate between notes or melodies, and could not reproduce them, music would not be ubiquitous. As long as you can hear and love Adam's voice and recognize what song he is singing and what he does to change up things to make it fresh, your ears are serving you well. Yes, perfect pitch is different that hearing or singing in tune. I had a friend in college who had perfect pitch--play a note and he could name it. Fabulous musician. However, as a music performance major, his faculty advisor insisted he take voice lessons because he sounded like a frog and couldn't sing very well in tune. I didn't score as high on the pitch test as I would have liked. Cassie, I could have guessed that you would score significantly higher than I because of things you have written about on Atop. I would never notice that Adam had changed the key of a song for a performance, etc. It was lots of fun to try the test, however.
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Post by csquared on Jan 6, 2017 18:21:40 GMT -5
What is "perfect pitch?" It is the ability to hear any tone, sung, played on an instrument, or hummed by your air conditioner and name the note. Conversely, if told the name of a note (for example, C#4) a person with perfect pitch can sing it just out of the blue, without reference to another note, another singer or another instrument. It's a nifty parlor trick, IMO. Sort of like someone who, given any date in history, can tell you what day of the week it fell on without resorting to any computation. Whoop-de-doo! These folks can tune a guitar or a violin without any reference tone to compare it to. But, if you have a good ear and a little training, you can accomplish the same thing with a single tuning fork or a pitch pipe. Tap the tuning fork, listen to the tone, then match it with the guitar or violin string. Those folks who have poor pitch discrimination may have trouble doing that, but the average person can do it easily. Perfect pitch is not necessary to sing in tune, or to remember a melody, or to play or sing well with others. It certainly is not necessary to appreciate music in all its forms, and, as the article said, can actually interfere with one's enjoyment of a performance. To be a successful musician, one needs to have good enough pitch discrimination to tell if they are singing or playing in tune with a degree of accuracy that sounds right to the average audience member. One has to be able to hear, remember and reproduce melody lines and harmony chords. Music is universal; found in every culture. People have been singing and playing music since they were living in caves as hunter gatherers. Before there was the written word, people used songs to teach and pass on knowledge to the next generation . (A la the Alphabet song). If the average person could not discriminate between notes or melodies, and could not reproduce them, music would not be ubiquitous. As long as you can hear and love Adam's voice and recognize what song he is singing and what he does to change up things to make it fresh, your ears are serving you well. Yes, perfect pitch is different that hearing or singing in tune. I had a friend in college who had perfect pitch--play a note and he could name it. Fabulous musician. However, as a music performance major, his faculty advisor insisted he take voice lessons because he sounded like a frog and couldn't sing very well in tune. I didn't score as high on the pitch test as I would have liked. Cassie, I could have guessed that you would score significantly higher than I because of things you have written about on Atop. I would never notice that Adam had changed the key of a song for a performance, etc. It was lots of fun to try the test, however. I was finally able to take the test. Did it twice - the first time I scored 52.4%, and was surprised it was so low. I did it again, making sure my crummy headphones that I think were from some airline were tight against my ears, and did better at 77.2%. Still, I also was surprised I didn't score better. Maybe age and tinnitus are progressing, haha. I remember the other test that popped up here a couple of years ago, and while I don't remember my score, it was better. Anyhow, I don't have perfect pitch in that I can't identify a note by name, but I think that when I have a song running through my head it's in the original key, and sometimes I can tell that Adam has changed the key. I agree with whoever said earlier that we must all perceive sounds differently and thus have preferences for different singers' voices (whether they sing "on key" or not). There are some voices (ahem Adele ahem) that annoy me to no end. I do sometimes hear Adam not quite hitting a note right off in a performance, but he almost always corrects it pretty quickly (or cuts it short). But his occasional imperfections are so minor. To me, his voice is so much richer than most other male singers out there.
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Post by thelambertluvva on Jan 7, 2017 13:59:18 GMT -5
Hi Cassie. Thanks so much for your detailed explanation of what you think might be happening. Regarding Marc and his fan....I have listened to several of Marc's live videos (in fact just recently saw several from Plymouth) and I just wasn't impressed. I couldn't tell if his pitch was shaky but I just didn't feel a thing. I didn't hear the 3D effect and resonance that Adam has, he had no stage presence, was low energy, and just seemed like he was going through the motions. Some notes seemed strained and some key notes seemed to be sung by the band members or audience. Just compare the way he and Adam sing The Show Must Go On. IMHO, like night and day. What I still don't understand is that if he is supposed to be so much better singer than Adam according to this fan and others, then why doesn't he sing Who Wants to Live Forever? At first it was because a woman was singing it but she's no longer in the show. Could it be that he can't sing it in addition to all the other songs in the set? That's fascinating what you said about vibrato and autotune. I googled perfect pitch and it said only on in ten thousand people had it. So as you said, perhaps the perfect pitch person COULD hear a pitch variance that you and I do not. And if it is that rare, sounds like most other people do not. However, I did come across this article that perfect pitch people are not so special after all. What do you think of it? mic.com/articles/109692/turns-out-people-who-claim-they-have-perfect-pitch-are-not-so-special-after-all#.Wcrw8uVKYThanks again for answering my questions. What is "perfect pitch?" It is the ability to hear any tone, sung, played on an instrument, or hummed by your air conditioner and name the note. Conversely, if told the name of a note (for example, C#4) a person with perfect pitch can sing it just out of the blue, without reference to another note, another singer or another instrument. It's a nifty parlor trick, IMO. Sort of like someone who, given any date in history, can tell you what day of the week it fell on without resorting to any computation. Whoop-de-doo! These folks can tune a guitar or a violin without any reference tone to compare it to. But, if you have a good ear and a little training, you can accomplish the same thing with a single tuning fork or a pitch pipe. Tap the tuning fork, listen to the tone, then match it with the guitar or violin string. Those folks who have poor pitch discrimination may have trouble doing that, but the average person can do it easily. Perfect pitch is not necessary to sing in tune, or to remember a melody, or to play or sing well with others. It certainly is not necessary to appreciate music in all its forms, and, as the article said, can actually interfere with one's enjoyment of a performance. To be a successful musician, one needs to have good enough pitch discrimination to tell if they are singing or playing in tune with a degree of accuracy that sounds right to the average audience member. One has to be able to hear, remember and reproduce melody lines and harmony chords. Music is universal; found in every culture. People have been singing and playing music since they were living in caves as hunter gatherers. Before there was the written word, people used songs to teach and pass on knowledge to the next generation . (A la the Alphabet song). If the average person could not discriminate between notes or melodies, and could not reproduce them, music would not be ubiquitous. As long as you can hear and love Adam's voice and recognize what song he is singing and what he does to change up things to make it fresh, your ears are serving you well. Thanks, Cassie. My DH is an excellent pianist who also composes and he always made perfect pitch seem like some rare talent that he would have loved to have. He knew a concert pianist who had it and raved about her. Anyway, thanks for giving me your take on it, which makes a lot of sense. BTW, I also remember when Eber said Adam did not have perfect pitch but he was really close. So that's a prime example of not having it but being excellent musically. It's only very rare occasions when I hear something off with Adam and it is usually something I have not attended live, like the last note in Mad World on Idol or some notes on the very first QAL in Kiev. I don't recall ever hearing a note off in the 30 or so live shows I've attended. I'm completely mesmerized throughout the entire duration wondering how what I am hearing can actually be real. And how those unworldly sounds can be produced by the most beautiful man I've ever seen.
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