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Post by lurleene on May 29, 2017 2:52:03 GMT -5
I love the Queen and Adam collaboration. Freddie was wonderful but I prefer Adam's vocals and rock style and interpretation. I find him sexy and attractive along with his great voice. What a combination. Freddie had a wonderful voice but my interest is not really there. I don't think there is any wrong or right just different opinions. Freddie has been gone for so long that anything I know about him is mostly second hand or from old videos. I get it tho, Freddie is loved and missed by his fans. But I think it is okay for Adam's fans to love him and think he is special as well.
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Post by talon on May 29, 2017 3:14:33 GMT -5
I love the Queen and Adam collaboration. Freddie was wonderful but I prefer Adam's vocals and rock style and interpretation. I find him sexy and attractive along with his great voice. What a combination. Freddie had a wonderful voice but my interest is not really there. I don't think there is any wrong or right just different opinions. Freddie has been gone for so long that anything I know about him is mostly second hand or from old videos. I get it tho, Freddie is loved and missed by his fans. But I think it is okay for Adam's fans to love him and think he is special as well. I'd never argue that! Of course it's okay for you to love Adam. I also think it's okay for Queen purists to completely dislike Adam's voice and how it fits. Personally I think a Queen fan who refuses to go to QAL is missing out....BUT I get it. It's difficult hearing anyone else do these songs even if done well. It's all very subjective!
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Post by lurleene on May 29, 2017 3:27:30 GMT -5
I love the Queen and Adam collaboration. Freddie was wonderful but I prefer Adam's vocals and rock style and interpretation. I find him sexy and attractive along with his great voice. What a combination. Freddie had a wonderful voice but my interest is not really there. I don't think there is any wrong or right just different opinions. Freddie has been gone for so long that anything I know about him is mostly second hand or from old videos. I get it tho, Freddie is loved and missed by his fans. But I think it is okay for Adam's fans to love him and think he is special as well. I'd never argue that! Of course it's okay for you to love Adam. I also think it's okay for Queen purists to completely dislike Adam's voice and how it fits. Personally I think a Queen fan who refuses to go to QAL is missing out....BUT I get it. It's difficult hearing anyone else do these songs even if done well. It's all very subjective! And if Queen purists don't like Adam's voice and how it fits they don't have to go or listen. They have their old Queen tapes to listen to. But what they can't do is stop Queen and Adam from performing and bringing joy to those who like it and obviously there are many who do. BTW, are the purists still upset about Adam fronting Queen? I thought that had died down by now and after all this time.
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Post by talon on May 29, 2017 3:52:16 GMT -5
I'd never argue that! Of course it's okay for you to love Adam. I also think it's okay for Queen purists to completely dislike Adam's voice and how it fits. Personally I think a Queen fan who refuses to go to QAL is missing out....BUT I get it. It's difficult hearing anyone else do these songs even if done well. It's all very subjective! And if Queen purists don't like Adam's voice and how it fits they don't have to go or listen. They have their old Queen tapes to listen to. But what they can't do is stop Queen and Adam from performing and bringing joy to those who like it and obviously there are many who do. BTW, are the purists still upset about Adam fronting Queen? I thought that had died down by now and after all this time. Oh there are plenty out there, though if I'm honest, upset is not really the word. They aren't trying to stop anything or complaining, they are more just indifferent and not going to be following it. And they do just as you suggest - they roll their eyes and go put on "real" Queen as they say. If I'm honest - Myself and my best friend are probably the MOST open and pro QAL Queen fans that I interact with. My sister likes Queen but hates AL. She won't go with me to the gigs. On the other hand, my best friend loves AL and was excited from the get go. I was closer to my best friend
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 8:06:09 GMT -5
"It seems like you two may have been offended and I'm not sure why. I'm not slighting Adam by saying he's not perfect and has flaws...Well all have them - even legends have them."Can't speak for the other person but I was not offended. I have my opinion of what I like and I stated it. We won't all feel the same about anything and no opinion will be changed cause someone else disagrees. But that is the good thing about this forum is we all get to say what we like and don't like. Or nothing if so inclined. Talon, if I was offended (not sure that's the right word) it is NOT because of your opinion of what you like. It's the way you sometimes imply that Adam can't. "I'd be surprised if Adam tackled it."Tackle" a song implies to me that it would be difficult for him. IMO, he can sing anything. I haven't seen any evidence otherwise.
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Post by lurleene on May 29, 2017 8:58:00 GMT -5
"It seems like you two may have been offended and I'm not sure why. I'm not slighting Adam by saying he's not perfect and has flaws...Well all have them - even legends have them."Can't speak for the other person but I was not offended. I have my opinion of what I like and I stated it. We won't all feel the same about anything and no opinion will be changed cause someone else disagrees. But that is the good thing about this forum is we all get to say what we like and don't like. Or nothing if so inclined. Talon, if I was offended (not sure that's the right word) it is NOT because of your opinion of what you like. It's the way you sometimes imply that Adam can't. "I'd be surprised if Adam tackled it."Tackle" a song implies to me that it would be difficult for him. IMO, he can sing anything. I haven't seen any evidence otherwise.I haven't seen any evidence otherwise either. And it is not a matter of Adam fans thinking he is perfect but we can appreciate and admire what he brings to Queen, especially on an Adam forum. Brian, Roger, and Adam have shown no concern for what the Queen purists want or don't want. Luckily for us they just keep doing their thing and ignore their rants. I try to do the same. I went to the Queen forum once and decided that their anger, putdowns and insults about Adam and even Brian were not for me so I never went back. Don't really care what they think about Adam but I won't agree with them just to make them feel better about losing Freddie.
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Post by talon on May 29, 2017 12:27:27 GMT -5
"It seems like you two may have been offended and I'm not sure why. I'm not slighting Adam by saying he's not perfect and has flaws...Well all have them - even legends have them."Can't speak for the other person but I was not offended. I have my opinion of what I like and I stated it. We won't all feel the same about anything and no opinion will be changed cause someone else disagrees. But that is the good thing about this forum is we all get to say what we like and don't like. Or nothing if so inclined. Talon, if I was offended (not sure that's the right word) it is NOT because of your opinion of what you like. It's the way you sometimes imply that Adam can't. "I'd be surprised if Adam tackled it."Tackle" a song implies to me that it would be difficult for him. IMO, he can sing anything. I haven't seen any evidence otherwise. Ahh. Well there's two ways I could answer that. In this case I'd say I certainly didn't mean he COUDN'T do Fight From The Inside....I would just be surprised if he DID. And here's why...in the Queen world - I would liken Fight From The Inside to be like I'm In Love With My Car. Even when Freddie was around, Rog sang it (except one humorous time when Rog forgot the words and Freddie tried in vain to pinch hit from the piano). In the Queen + era, Roger and Brian sing a little more to showcase the "Queen" side of things. As Fight From The INside was a Roger penned, Roger sung tune, and it's not one they have ever done live, it would make logical sense that if they were to do it it would probably be done during the Roger section. Of course Adan COULD do it. Adam COULD do Love of My Life, '39, Days, or Magic. But you won't see that because they appear to fit in the B&R's solo section. In my opinion FFTI would probably be more likely to surface there than in the main show. BUT for the point of having a rational adult discourse - If I had meant it the other way and meant that I didn't think he'd be as good at singing it, is that really offensive to you? You think he can handle anything and haven't seen evidence otherwise. Great! The evidence I've seen of him doing SCC and some of the other hard rock tracks "prove" to me that he can't do rock as well as he does the other parts of the catalogue but as always that is MY opinion. You think he can and I won't argue that cause that's YOUR opinion. But what I don't understand is why is that offensive? Anything I say regarding how well someone does something is never intended to be presented as factual, it's always intended as my opinion - I didn't think that would need be said. It's factual when I talk about what happened in the past, and who sang what, who wrote what, etc. It's intelligent conjecture when I predict how they feel or are going to present themselves in the future when it's based on how they've previously done so. It's PURE opinion when I say how it was or wasn't pulled off. I haven't seen any evidence otherwise either. And it is not a matter of Adam fans thinking he is perfect but we can appreciate and admire what he brings to Queen, especially on an Adam forum. Brian, Roger, and Adam have shown no concern for what the Queen purists want or don't want. Luckily for us they just keep doing their thing and ignore their rants. I try to do the same. I went to the Queen forum once and decided that their anger, putdowns and insults about Adam and even Brian were not for me so I never went back. Don't really care what they think about Adam but I won't agree with them just to make them feel better about losing Freddie. But that's just it. If you look at my posts I was extremely positive about 75-85% of Adam's contribution. I was less positive (but even then not negative about the other 15-25%) - I didn't say he sucked as a rock singer just that he's not the greatest at it - not as genuine as some of the other tracks. In no way is that a rant or a suggestion that BRorA do anything different. I also don't think you have to agree with me. But me not liking a portion of his contribution is NOT me ranting, slagging him off, hating him, hating the collaboration, or anything like that. Let me highlight this: And it is not a matter of Adam fans thinking he is perfect but we can appreciate and admire what he brings to Queen, especially on an Adam forumAnd yet, I say something that implies he's less than perfect at his role, and that immediately means I *DON'T* appreciate and admire what he brings to Queen? I come here often during gigs, and I have said numerous times how much I enjoyed the 3 gigs I went to (I wouldn't be going to 2 more if I didn't). I have also heaped great praise on his take on WWTLF, TSMGO, Save Me (if anything was negative about that it was the choice of arrangement where Brian took out my favorite instrumental portion). I also painstakingly said how much I grew to love his Somebody To Love when I didn't like it the first time around. I wouldn't still be here after 4-5 years if I *DIDN'T* appreciate it. But appreciating it doesn't mean I like 100% of what he does...and that's okay! It shouldn't be offensive! Plenty of times I read here about how Brian's guitar bores them or they think the middle B&R sections drag the show down or whatever...BUT that doesn't offend me...It's all opinion
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Post by LindaG23 on May 29, 2017 12:38:50 GMT -5
When Chris Cornell died, I thought some about him, Adam, and Freddie. All three were born with an abundance of natural vocal talent and growing up all three were driven (in as much as a young person can be driven) to perform music. If one can be said to have a "rock" voice or a "pop" voice, the differences started here.
Both Chris and Freddie were drawn to instruments (guitar and piano respectively) and bands, imitating and singing the songs of their favorite groups. When Freddie and Chris were teenagers there were many amazing wildly popular rock bands; the early 60s (enough said) for Freddie and the early 80s for Chris who lived in Seattle, the epicenter of early grunge. So, rock would be a 'current' style of music easily shared with friends. In the late 90s when Adam was a teenager, rock music was largely a niche genre so pop was what he and his friends enjoyed together.
Freddie and Chris followed their teenage influences, formed many bands between them, and started writing music early, but neither appears to have ever studied voice at an early age. Adam on the other hand, despite an introduction to the piano, was all about the singing. What followed was extensive vocal training, theater -- we all know the story.
I am going to digress here with an analogy so I can show how I think the differences in their early training separated what we refer to as the 'rock' and 'pop' voices without evoking all the defenses we have all built up over this discussion. The use of their vocal gift in the formative years will carry through their musical life.
Imagine two young boys putting on ice skates for the first time and discovering joy and a spark of genius when moving across the ice. A hockey stick is put in one boy's hand and it feels right so he joins a hockey team immediately perceiving the intricate delicate balance, almost like a symphony, required to move a puck over, around, and through an opposing team. He is still a brilliant skater, but the skating is in service to the sport and its many moving parts. This boy does not have any less natural talent, he just loves the game. For the other boy, it is just him and his skates so his focus is inward, honing the muscles required to achieve a moving singular artistry on the ice. The music he hears is channeled through his body alone and he becomes a world class figure skater.
Hockey is considered more manly and rough (rock). If the body gets beat up a little or you slip on the ice there is a team to back you up and you can still win the game. Figure skating is considered more feminine and artistic (pop/opera) and for the figure skater there is no back-up and so you learn to protect your body because without it performing at peak there is no win .
So let's say our two brilliant skaters decide later in life that they missed out on something by focusing only on their chosen craft and want to try the other profession. The hockey player will have difficulty for although he is not afraid of falling, he has not developed the fine muscular control required for the more dramatic figure skating moves. Still, he could give a performance abounding with speed and with plenty of emotional content because he loves skating but it would probably lack subtlety. Conversely, the figure skater would be concerned about the bruising force of team play and without thinking would work to protect his body. He could still move with agility around the rink and make goals but certainly not as many.
They may be older but because both were born with the same natural talent, I think the hockey player could with a lot of work become a figure skater and the figure skater could learn to ignore his training and body slam with the best of them. It would be hard later in life because there would be so many things for both to unlearn and maybe even physical damage that can not be undone.
That's my analogy and I think all here can figure out the implications. I have noticed that when others talk about the vocal ability of Chris, Freddie, and Adam that one of the first things mentioned is their four octave ranges. It is the natural gift that they all have in common. The music that they shared with friends and how they developed that gift in their formative years was very different and informed their vocal style. All of them could/can sing anything but to sing in the manner of the other would require learning new skills and unlearning ingrained habits. Freddie, of course, had the desire to sing opera and made the effort, I don't know if Chris Cornell ever did. Adam likes to sing rock but it appears to me that he has made a conscious decision not to body slam his hard-earned vocal control to make it rough enough to be considered authentic. One thing is for sure, they were/are all spectacular vocalist with styles uniquely their own.
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Post by talon on May 29, 2017 12:49:12 GMT -5
That is a VERY apt analogy! I am on my phone now but will come back to this later.
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Post by lurleene on May 29, 2017 13:20:19 GMT -5
"In no way is that a rant or a suggestion that BRorA do anything different. I also don't think you have to agree with me."
Not sure why you are making my comment about the rants about you. But my point was I avoid the Queen forum cesspool for a reason. The envy, rants and hatred about Adam (and something they have no control over) was just ridiculous and a waste of time, imo. But I look forward to Brian, Roger and Adam putting on a great and enjoyable show with their choices as we all do. Rock on guys!!!
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