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Post by 3ku1 on Aug 1, 2017 23:39:47 GMT -5
QPR was fine for what it was. But I think Adam suits Queen more. Queen was about the theatrics, the drama, the bravado. Adams theatre background really gives him that edge. I think,while you could argue their are better rock singers that could front Queen. Like Robbie Williams. Adam ticks the boxes, in a way I don't think anyone else could. He has the voice to do Queen, you'll have to,admit no one alive in contemporary music today could. He has the charisma, and stage presence. He's a mainstream, contemporary artist. So he's a good vechile for Queen. He's managed to find the perfect balance between sticking to the original intent of the song. But putting his own interpretation onto,it. If youve followed Adam since Idol. You well know that's kinda his trademark haha. He's not a natural rock singer. But I think He's more assured, on the more hard rock songs then he used to be. He clearly shines on the ballads. He I could argue technically speaking, does Wwtlf better then Freddie did. The Freddie thing well always be their. But QAL has brought so much joy back into peoples life's. And new fans have discovered them thanks to Adam. He's revitalised the franchise.
In any case only 3 or shows left. Then he has three months to promote his new music.
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Post by talon on Aug 1, 2017 23:44:03 GMT -5
Talon, not to go off on a tangent, but something you said has me wondering. What exactly is John's involvement in decision-making at this stage? Did he have to sign off on Adam, all of these tours, the song selection, etc. How much say does he have and is it a 4-way thing, like exactly 25% per original member? Does Jim Beach make the decisions on behalf of Freddie's estate? Sorry for so many questions. I know John doesn't talk to Brian or Roger but I assume he has an attorney who intervenes on his behalf. Well it's not exactly all known how it goes down but I do know some specifics and guess at others. A long time ago he gave his blessing for Brian and Roger to use the name and go out on tour. He *MAY* have been a part of vetoing Robbie Williams as there is a story that after they teamed on WATC. The story in the Sun stated: However grain of salt. I have heard he said that but didn't realize he was talking to a reporter. BUT regardless moving on. Queen Productions is a 4-way split. Brian, Roger, John, and Freddie's estate which Jim Beach represents. He does make the decisions though I'm sure he hears from Freddie's family and most likely Mary Austin a bit too (the subject of "Love Of My Life") - though that's my speculation. Brian and Roger don't hear from John socially (he's become a bit of a recluse.) BUT I still hear that when he doesn't like something they hear from him or from email etc. From what I hear also is that B&R send John specs of product and if they don't hear back from him they move forward... He probably has as much say as he wants as far as touring goes but doesn't really get involved. I know it's considered an open invite. Everytime they start a world tour, there's an open invite for John to come back. As I said before he allows them to use the name with his blessing to tour with Paul and again with Adam...although I think that was an initial blessing back in 2004 - As in use the name and tour unless you hear from me kind of thing. As far as production and song choice - I doubt he gets involved since he's not actually doing the tour. BUT I'd say he definitely gets 25% of the profit. He was always the businessman of the group anyways, lol. I think his heart was broken when Freddie died. John was the quiet one and was the last to develop into songwriting...which was COMPLETELY supported and nurtured by Freddie who kept drawing more and more out of him...And he was never a real rock and roll guy preferring motown type stuff, etc. and Freddie loved the idea and jumped into John's ideas headlong. I think John felt almost protected by Freddie within the group. Freddie dying hit John hard and he also then didn't have that strong supporter in his corner. He and Brian seemingly butted heads a lot. I think John just slowly didn't see any point in continuing as he had already begun to hate the music business before Freddie had passed. In fact if Freddie hadn't passed, I still think John might have retired in the 90s. BUT he was always good with money, his investments, and he knows what he helped build so he'll remain protective.
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Post by lurleene on Aug 2, 2017 1:40:05 GMT -5
QPR was fine for what it was. But I think Adam suits Queen more. Queen was about the theatrics, the drama, the bravado. Adams theatre background really gives him that edge. I think,while you could argue their are better rock singers that could front Queen. Like Robbie Williams. Adam ticks the boxes, in a way I don't think anyone else could. He has the voice to do Queen, you'll have to,admit no one alive in contemporary music today could. He has the charisma, and stage presence. He's a mainstream, contemporary artist. So he's a good vechile for Queen. He's managed to find the perfect balance between sticking to the original intent of the song. But putting his own interpretation onto,it. If youve followed Adam since Idol. You well know that's kinda his trademark haha. He's not a natural rock singer. But I think He's more assured, on the more hard rock songs then he used to be. He clearly shines on the ballads. He I could argue technically speaking, does Wwtlf better then Freddie did. The Freddie thing well always be their. But QAL has brought so much joy back into peoples life's. And new fans have discovered them thanks to Adam. He's revitalised the franchise. In any case only 3 or shows left. Then he has three months to promote his new music. Agree. Even Brian and Roger and the he ain't Freddie media say Adam is a better fit. Some are loathe to give him credit (or admit how good he is tho they know.) But he is doing his thing and the fans are showing up in the US more than they had in the past. He along with Queen are bringing the music to life and to new fans. Adam is spectacular in his role as the Queen frontman. Vocally he is on another level. Fans are raving about him and Brian and Roger are really happy. They made the best choice possible when they chose Adam even if it makes some uncomfortable or bitter for reasons that are hard to understand.
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Post by bridgeymah on Aug 2, 2017 1:57:09 GMT -5
Are we still talking about this stuff the poor horse is so dead he's been buried and exhumed a dozen times .... (shuffles off to get a glass of wine and rewatch It's Late from early in the tour).
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Post by shimoli710 on Aug 2, 2017 2:13:04 GMT -5
Love the playlist. Listened to it while walking my dog today. :D Aww...thanks!
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Post by sizzling63 on Aug 2, 2017 2:18:15 GMT -5
Awesome review, even though the headline doesn't quite capture it fully. I hope most people actually read the whole thing.
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Post by Jablea on Aug 2, 2017 2:20:58 GMT -5
Ok, I'm an Adam fan. He's the reason I'm on the internet everyday for 8 years, other than work. I don't know if I'm the biggest fan of Adam's voice. I love it, it's out of this world, it's day in day out amazing and 99% perfect. But he still can't do falsetto for the life of him. I'm really a fan of Adam, the person. I think he is amazing, the bomb, the shitzle (whatever that means), and any other superlative you can put to him. I am amazed at his graciousness, his work ethic, and his acknowledgement that he is a role model and that he takes that role as seriously as any other. I love "the speech". I look for it in all the concert videos. It's Adam the person in all his self knowledge glory. It's a goddamn highlight of the night for me. Now for Queen and Freddie. I knew a lot of the songs but as with most music in my life I never put songs to bands together. I'm not really much of a music listener. We filled up our CD selection 20 years ago and have pretty much only added Adam albums since. Adam has been my introduction to both Queen and Freddie as actual entities. My only connection to Freddie is via youtube videos. I don't go and listen to more than a few minutes of Queen original concert youtubes or music vids - who has time when you have Adam? But I don't need to listen to more than a few minutes to absolutely, in my bones, to my core, understand those who say Freddie was unique, one of a kind, gifted and amazingly unreplaceable. He can not be replicated. His legacy as the main face of Queen is etched forever. Adam doesn't have a Bohemium Rhapsody creation within him (who does), Adam doesn't strut the stage and grab the audience and command them. That's not who Adam is. It is who Freddie was. Adam plays with the audience, he invites them to participate, he lets them in on the jokes and as we’ve said he’s a master interpreter. I roll my eyes when Adam fans say he's the "better" frontman for Queen. You can pretty much compare Adam to anyone else dead or alive and for a Queen+1 and I'm ok with that but as the best frontman for Queen, there can only be one. And if someone's point is - well Adam's a better singer than Freddie I guess I go "well laudie da da, everybody's criteria is different?" We are not in American Idol anymore nor are we in an opera house. (although I do love the technical discussions too) This obsession with my idol is better than your idol is not fascinating. Now QAL and Adam's part in it is real and it's spectacular and I'm gutted that I didn't get to see it in person this year.
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Post by Jablea on Aug 2, 2017 2:28:22 GMT -5
Exactly! No one else had a say. Brian and Roger made their choice and looking at how well they have done with Adam out front, hard to argue with that choice. One of the best vocalists and sexy showmen out there is getting the job done, rocking the stage with Queen and making his presence known. Thankfully with that wise choice, they and the fans are having a blast. It's also not like they booted Paul out FOR Adam. I mean they chose Paul too and had a great time with him overall as well. Paul wanted to leave to go back to Bad Company and other solo projects he had going on. It just kind of ended. I know a TON of fans who had a blast with QPR. Both groups had a blast and as did the audiences. And that's okay too... I liked the one reviewers take on this when he said the QPR was attended by an older audience and QAL skewed younger first time around and even younger this time. Maybe the band names are really a misnomer. Queen and Paul Rogers works because they did some Queen songs (I'm thinking they didn't do Killer Queen?) and some Rogers songs. QAL should more likely be called Queen with Adam Lambert because aside from 2Fs which they've queenified it really is a Queen concert.
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Post by talon on Aug 2, 2017 3:44:23 GMT -5
Ok, I'm an Adam fan. He's the reason I'm on the internet everyday for 8 years, other than work. I don't know if I'm the biggest fan of Adam's voice. I love it, it's out of this world, it's day in day out amazing and 99% perfect. But he still can't do falsetto for the life of him. I'm really a fan of Adam, the person. I think he is amazing, the bomb, the shitzle (whatever that means), and any other superlative you can put to him. I am amazed at his graciousness, his work ethic, and his acknowledgement that he is a role model and that he takes that role as seriously as any other. I love "the speech". I look for it in all the concert videos. It's Adam the person in all his self knowledge glory. It's a goddamn highlight of the night for me. Now for Queen and Freddie. I knew a lot of the songs but as with most music in my life I never put songs to bands together. I'm not really much of a music listener. We filled up our CD selection 20 years ago and have pretty much only added Adam albums since. Adam has been my introduction to both Queen and Freddie as actual entities. My only connection to Freddie is via youtube videos. I don't go and listen to more than a few minutes of Queen original concert youtubes or music vids - who has time when you have Adam? But I don't need to listen to more than a few minutes to absolutely, in my bones, to my core, understand those who say Freddie was unique, one of a kind, gifted and amazingly unreplaceable. He can not be replicated. His legacy as the main face of Queen is etched forever. Adam doesn't have a Bohemium Rhapsody creation within him (who does), Adam doesn't strut the stage and grab the audience and command them. That's not who Adam is. It is who Freddie was. Adam plays with the audience, he invites them to participate, he lets them in on the jokes and as we’ve said he’s a master interpreter. I roll my eyes when Adam fans say he's the "better" frontman for Queen. You can pretty much compare Adam to anyone else dead or alive and for a Queen+1 and I'm ok with that but as the best frontman for Queen, there can only be one. And if someone's point is - well Adam's a better singer than Freddie I guess I go "well laudie da da, everybody's criteria is different?" We are not in American Idol anymore nor are we in an opera house. (although I do love the technical discussions too) This obsession with my idol is better than your idol is not fascinating. Now QAL and Adam's part in it is real and it's spectacular and I'm gutted that I didn't get to see it in person this year. </img> </img> Now that I can get behind 110%
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Post by talon on Aug 2, 2017 4:50:45 GMT -5
It's also not like they booted Paul out FOR Adam. I mean they chose Paul too and had a great time with him overall as well. Paul wanted to leave to go back to Bad Company and other solo projects he had going on. It just kind of ended. I know a TON of fans who had a blast with QPR. Both groups had a blast and as did the audiences. And that's okay too... I liked the one reviewers take on this when he said the QPR was attended by an older audience and QAL skewed younger first time around and even younger this time. Maybe the band names are really a misnomer. Queen and Paul Rogers works because they did some Queen songs (I'm thinking they didn't do Killer Queen?) and some Rogers songs. QAL should more likely be called Queen with Adam Lambert because aside from 2Fs which they've queenified it really is a Queen concert. I would agree with that conceptually. It was definitely skewed more older last time since Paul is from the same generation as Queen. Both Queen and Paul are classic acts. Even more than that they were marketed ONLY to classic rock audiences. Some people say Adam has brought a new generation to Queen and it's true he has - but not ONLY because of his voice but also because of Adam having a more current pop fanbase...and is far more mentioned on current radio stations, iheart, etc. etc. whereas QPR was NEVER mentioned on those outlets...they were stuck on the classic rock only dials...and a band that hadn't toured in the US especially since 1982 that was a lot of lost ground to make up. But with the additional marketing on non-Classic Rock mediums, the audience definitely has a younger slice to it this time around - which definitely also adds to higher sales in the US. You have the hardcore Queen fans, the casual Queen fans open for a good time, and the classic rock fans who went to see QPR. Now you have those same fans AND add in the pop crowd (both younger and older) that Adam attracts - thus more success - right off the bat before the tour even begins. THEN you add in how good the show is and how well Adam performs with B&R, it makes for a very engaging and successful combination. I mean being completely honest (and if you guys are too) - whether you LIKE any pop voice at all...a tour of Queen + Adam Levine or Queen + Lady Ga Ga or Queen + Bruno Mars - It would have sold. It may have been a GOD AWFUL combination and it might have not have worked at all (although Bruno Mars is pretty talented - that one would have been interesting - NOTE BEFORE I'M DRAWN AND QUARTERED - I DID NOT SAY BETTER - MERELY INTERESTING) (and yes I know the argument that this is what B&R want etc. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm not saying that it isn't important to the equation...and yes I understand the they wouldn't be touring without Adam etc. etc. The above statements simply are hypothetical about what sales would be assuming B&R had wanted to move forward with someone else...and IIRC and I'm not sure this was confirmed but wasn't there the story that the EMA where Adam first performed w/Queen outside AI was a gig initially offered to Lady Ga Ga who turned it down? This story might have gone a totally different direction...(and note I'm glad it went the way it did, believe me)) BUT I digress, it would have been marketed a lot more than QPR was just by sheer volume alone...I mean think about any classic rock act in the US. Unless they are coming to your local arena, you probably don't get much idea of when they are touring unless you listen to classic rock radio or read classic rock mags, etc. So in fact given that kind of marketing - I'd say that QPR sold pretty well in the US. In Europe and S.A. where they never lost their ground they did very very well indeed. And you are absolutely correct when Queen AND Paul Rodgers toured as you would say, they did about 80% Queen and about 20% Paul. Brian and Roger initially wanted to do a 50/50 split and in interviews Brian was just as excited about playing some of his favorite Paul tracks, but Paul steered it back towards the Queen direction given that Queen hadn't toured in just under 20 years at that point. This is partially what I was getting at - but as a whole the idea was fusing the two artists and their catalogues together. Queen WITH Adam Lambert is more about presenting much more close to a Queen show as possible with Adam standing in for Freddie. That's one reason I believe why we don't get more Adam tracks. Well that and Adam's tracks don't lend themselves as much to the core classic rock audience. It's not just standing in, yes as Adam doesn't ape Freddie and definitely adds his own spin on things as it would be dishonest to ask him to just be Freddie, but it's far more nostalgia based than QPR and it works because Adam is the probably the only one who *COULD* effectively check enough of the boxes off to work as a Queen show and yet remain distinct enough that it's not completely Vegas or We Will Rock You II. You couldn't put a Paul in that type of show. He simply doesn't fit. You could put Marc Martel, but that would be too ghastly and dishonest - almost like trying to put one over on the crowd that Freddie is alive. Adam is the perfect combination of traits to tread that line and give it life.
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