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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 23:45:26 GMT -5
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Post by kryptoman68 on Feb 26, 2018 23:53:28 GMT -5
Oh Lord. I'm sure Marc is a nice guy and all, but there is NO comparison between him and Adam. None. No way. Marc is lite compared to Adam's extra rich. I wonder if Marc has ever heard Adam sing WWTLF? Not only did he hear Adam sing the whole QAL show in MSG in 2014, he gave an interview where he shared his opinion about him The quote is in my signature... rabop.com/temp/qal/AFL_degsep_Rock.pngMarc Martel: "In my opinion, Queen has the current best male singer in the world singing for them," Martel says of Lambert. "I went to see their show in New York, and the dude does not strain or miss a single note. He's an incredible virtuoso. www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2014/09/03/marc-martel-paradise-premiere/14996237/
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Post by sarah on Feb 27, 2018 0:13:58 GMT -5
Oh, wow, everyone! I have fallen deep down the rabbit hole of all the wonderful videos y'all have been recommending! I can't believe it's been a couple of days since I last posted. I kept meaning to come back, then I'd see another performance and follow it and that would lead me to more... Thank you all so much! I might just disappear again to follow up on some of the newer recommendations! Among many other delights, I have fallen in love with this song and this performance. It's interesting to hear about MM parting ways. I looked up a few of his performances back when I first heard about QEX and then saw his name popping up in the comments section of so many Adam videos. He sure sounds very much like Freddie, the tone of his voice. My takeaway from browsing a bit was that the reason they didn't go with Q+MM is as plain as what Brian and Roger have both said regarding Adam: 1) they didn't want an imitation, and 2) the Queen catalogue is quite diverse and you need someone not only with the vocal dexterity but also the interpretive dexterity. Power ballads and rockers are one thing, but I wanted to see how MM would handle a song like "Killer Queen." I found the video below. Vocally it's all right, but his interpretation of the song is quite uninvolved. He's singing it like it's just this weird, campy song that's in the Queen catalogue, but he gives no indication that he's found any story in it, any character, any connection, or even really any singular humor. His interpretation of WWTLF (linked earlier in the thread) felt the same way, emotionally flat, like he was connecting to it as a great ballad but not finding new, personal meaning or story in the song. It blows my mind that people will dismiss Adam's very present and very personal performance of it at the Isle of Wight, for example, because MM's voice sounds more like Freddie's. Same thing with WATC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TmUzTZIx0k) and TSMGO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo6N01-3wYM)--great songs that he's sort of conducting to the audience in a minimally involved way. In contrast, Adam comes across as very "fluent" in Queen: equally attuned to the "ideal" of a song and to its dynamic, complicated lived reality (to borrow a bit from my linguistics background). Maybe it's the limitations of being in the official tribute band that is keeping MM from interpreting things more personally--perhaps he feels he shouldn't add his own touch to it. As it stands, it is such an odd atmosphere for me. He's like a disembodied echo of Freddie's voice that you might hear in the distance, through the fog. I'm not interested enough to search, and I've got too many Adam videos to go through, in any case, but I wonder how different his stage presence and emotional presence within a song is when he's not singing as part of a formal tribute band. I compare it to the only time (so far) that I've watched a live performance of Adam with Queen (in the Idol finale, which I watched as it aired), and Adam was putting a great deal of personal emotion into that performance and making it his own statement, as much as he was giving it honor as a legendary song and giving his duet partner Kris respect by not overshadowing him (a la Gokey). That ad-lib on "I ain't gonna lose" is one of my favorite moments from that season of Idol, and I think it's a perfect moment to explain how they ended up together: Adam risking such a defiant ad-lib in the first place, risking those high notes, risking a personal statement like that with all the social/political pressure he was feeling and before he knows how the voting turned out and before he knew whether he'd be successful outside of Idol, risking being emotionally naked right there on stage with Queen themselves. That quite personal presence within the song is probably the reason Adam's version of WWTLF has sent chills up Brian's spine and probably--outside of his big voice, technical ability, charisma, and general not-sh*ttiness as a human being (per Brian! )--the main reason they consider him the GFG and why they sincerely believe Freddie would love and enjoy Adam as much as they do. Whoops, I didn't mean to write so much or to talk MM down. I mean no ill will towards him. I think Adam is just a very special fit for Queen, for so many reasons, and it feels rather like missing the forest for the trees when some Queen fans speak of MM as Freddie reincarnated on the basis of how much like Freddie he sounds. Meanwhile, Adam might as well be Freddie's son--very similar precisely because he's very himself.
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Post by gypsyladee on Feb 27, 2018 0:37:26 GMT -5
Sarah, your words are very thoughtful and insightful. You have a wonderful way of verbalizing many of the things I think and feel about Adam and his performances. Brava!
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Post by 3ku1 on Feb 27, 2018 1:30:28 GMT -5
Marc and Adam actually have a lot of respect for each others talent. I Think its just the fanbases. Marc is right Adam is currently the best male singer in the world.
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Post by nightowl on Feb 27, 2018 1:40:51 GMT -5
sarah You wrote: „Adam might as well be Freddie's son--very similar precisely because he's very himself.“ I think, Freddie and Adam are not as similar, as some people think. Sure, they have some things in common and these things give them both the chance to be great frontmen for Queen. On the other hand, there are also many character-traits, where they are completely different (a bit like cats and dogs😉).
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Post by thelambertluvva on Feb 27, 2018 1:42:25 GMT -5
Oh, wow, everyone! I have fallen deep down the rabbit hole of all the wonderful videos y'all have been recommending! I can't believe it's been a couple of days since I last posted. I kept meaning to come back, then I'd see another performance and follow it and that would lead me to more... Thank you all so much! I might just disappear again to follow up on some of the newer recommendations! Among many other delights, I have fallen in love with this song and this performance. It's interesting to hear about MM parting ways. I looked up a few of his performances back when I first heard about QEX and then saw his name popping up in the comments section of so many Adam videos. He sure sounds very much like Freddie, the tone of his voice. My takeaway from browsing a bit was that the reason they didn't go with Q+MM is as plain as what Brian and Roger have both said regarding Adam: 1) they didn't want an imitation, and 2) the Queen catalogue is quite diverse and you need someone not only with the vocal dexterity but also the interpretive dexterity. Power ballads and rockers are one thing, but I wanted to see how MM would handle a song like "Killer Queen." I found the video below. Vocally it's all right, but his interpretation of the song is quite uninvolved. He's singing it like it's just this weird, campy song that's in the Queen catalogue, but he gives no indication that he's found any story in it, any character, any connection, or even really any singular humor. His interpretation of WWTLF (linked earlier in the thread) felt the same way, emotionally flat, like he was connecting to it as a great ballad but not finding new, personal meaning or story in the song. It blows my mind that people will dismiss Adam's very present and very personal performance of it at the Isle of Wight, for example, because MM's voice sounds more like Freddie's. Same thing with WATC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TmUzTZIx0k) and TSMGO (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo6N01-3wYM)--great songs that he's sort of conducting to the audience in a minimally involved way. In contrast, Adam comes across as very "fluent" in Queen: equally attuned to the "ideal" of a song and to its dynamic, complicated lived reality (to borrow a bit from my linguistics background). Maybe it's the limitations of being in the official tribute band that is keeping MM from interpreting things more personally--perhaps he feels he shouldn't add his own touch to it. As it stands, it is such an odd atmosphere for me. He's like a disembodied echo of Freddie's voice that you might hear in the distance, through the fog. I'm not interested enough to search, and I've got too many Adam videos to go through, in any case, but I wonder how different his stage presence and emotional presence within a song is when he's not singing as part of a formal tribute band. I compare it to the only time (so far) that I've watched a live performance of Adam with Queen (in the Idol finale, which I watched as it aired), and Adam was putting a great deal of personal emotion into that performance and making it his own statement, as much as he was giving it honor as a legendary song and giving his duet partner Kris respect by not overshadowing him (a la Gokey). That ad-lib on "I ain't gonna lose" is one of my favorite moments from that season of Idol, and I think it's a perfect moment to explain how they ended up together: Adam risking such a defiant ad-lib in the first place, risking those high notes, risking a personal statement like that with all the social/political pressure he was feeling and before he knows how the voting turned out and before he knew whether he'd be successful outside of Idol, risking being emotionally naked right there on stage with Queen themselves. That quite personal presence within the song is probably the reason Adam's version of WWTLF has sent chills up Brian's spine and probably--outside of his big voice, technical ability, charisma, and general not-sh*ttiness as a human being (per Brian! )--the main reason they consider him the GFG and why they sincerely believe Freddie would love and enjoy Adam as much as they do. Whoops, I didn't mean to write so much or to talk MM down. I mean no ill will towards him. I think Adam is just a very special fit for Queen, for so many reasons, and it feels rather like missing the forest for the trees when some Queen fans speak of MM as Freddie reincarnated on the basis of how much like Freddie he sounds. Meanwhile, Adam might as well be Freddie's son--very similar precisely because he's very himself. Sarah, you've hit the nail on the head. I first starting looking up MM during the Plymouth concerts in 2016. I listened to Show Must Go On and thought to myself, this sounds like someone just going through the motions. I totally get the "He's like a disembodied echo of Freddie's voice that you might hear in the distance, through the fog." I didn't hear any power or emotion in his voice. His walking around looked awkward and it sure sounded like the backup singers were singing a lot of it and loudly. The audience seemed totally dead. I wonder if that's why they never once panned to the audience. And he looks chubby and that alone doesn't bother me, it just gets to me when people are calling Adam fat but no one ever comments on Marc's weight. Also I find it odd if people think of MM as Freddie reincarnated because MM is imitating him. Just like when Adam imitated Kermit. I find it different than the person natural sounding like another person, like Arnel Pineda sounding like Steve Perry. Let me know what you think of this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fsOpfc7T9U
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Post by toramenor on Feb 27, 2018 1:59:49 GMT -5
Whoops, I didn't mean to write so much Wonderful post! Please keep on writing as much as you like. You have a wonderful way with words and I enjoy good writing Also, I agree that capturing the emotional content of a song as well as being technically perfect is something very rare and Adam Lambert definitely has it, while most other singers cannot really encompass all of those aspects!
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Post by Queenlover on Feb 27, 2018 4:27:57 GMT -5
There are some people on Facebook that say he has no talent and one who responds to every positive comment with name-calling, attacks his looks, and that he's a goat. Seriously, since the EMA's, I have not heard any excessive vibrato from Adam so I am still trying to figure out what he is talking about. And I've heard some excessive vibrato from Freddie on YouTube. I know that one. He's just a troll. He attacks Brian and Roger as well. I know him from the German Queen-fanclub forum and after he was banned there, I unfortunetly found out, that he went on to QueenZone and is now terrorizing the QAL-section there. Queen-fans despise him as well. His only aim is to annoy Adam- and QAL-fans and make them leave the forum (he even said so). Don't give 2 fuxx on what he's saying! He's not worth thinking twice about the rubbish, he writes. He doesn't even have much knowledge about Queen. I think, his obsession with Adam is absolutely sick - and I don't understand it. Because, as you wrote, he hates on every post on the official Queen-facebook page as well as in the forum. For 7 years! He has been banned from QueenOnline by the way. On the contrary, I'm regularly on Queen-sites and I find, that most Queenies are completely OK with Adam by now. Many learned to like him , some simply got used to him and some ignore the collaboration. It's all fine. And there will always be some haters. The more success Adam has, the more haters he will have - as well as fans. Don't let them (the few haters) get at you! . I wouldn't worry too much about the German f/book troll. It's quite funny how he hasn't realized yet that he and a small minority of others like him have made even older Queen fans who didn't really like the collaboration and had no interest in Adam suddenly start defending him. He gets more and more grief on every post, all sticking up for Adam. Can't wait until the penny finally drops and he sees what he's done.
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Post by girldrummer on Feb 27, 2018 11:41:37 GMT -5
From what I've seen of Marc's videos, he seems to never "become" the song. It's rather generic. Does he have a bad voice? No. It's just fine. It's very Freddie-like, which is why he was chosen for the job. But we are so used to Adam's richness and character-driven performances, that any else is pale by comparison.
If I had never seen Adam or Marc perform in my life, and if I saw both videos of them for the first time singing WWTLF or KQ or TSMGO, I would hands-down be more impressed with Adam. BUT, if I "knew" Marc beforehand and had developed an allegiance to him, I would likely prefer his versions only because he would be the one I'm used to and the one I choose to support. It's often about loyalty and not vocal prowess.
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