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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 13:47:55 GMT -5
He actually commented on one other Queen's mentoring, that we saw. Remember, these shows are heavily edited. If we saw him comment about the mentoring sessions of 2 of the Queens, I would be willing to bet, that he commented on all or almost all of them. The show was edited to create this drama and it worked!
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Post by bamafan on Mar 5, 2018 14:00:49 GMT -5
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Post by sarah on Mar 5, 2018 14:09:07 GMT -5
I wonder if maybe that was an ad made before the Judas role was finalized? That might explain it. They probably are making ads that feature the key roles and key relationships, and maybe the ones with Judas were just not ready yet, because of a delay in casting or schedule availability? But they only use the names, except for John who gets pics. It would take minutes to edit the old promo to include Brandon's name. Oh, okay. I haven't seen the ad myself, so I was just guessing. I appreciate your comment evie1512 ! I think the editing made more of the drama than there probably was in person, and social media ran with it, piling on Adam. That's mostly what I'm responding to. I'm sorry that it ends up becoming me piling on Trixie here! I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't intend that. Like marionm said, I don't think we can take any of that editing at face value--or possibly even Trixie's interview about it, which was probably delivered with more humor than is apparent in the dry text. The cut to Adam saying "But..." during the performance critique sounded like a train of thought, not like he just jumped in there on top of the other positive critiques, the way the editing made it seem. He's also very bluntly honest in general, like calling Morgan boring, so we don't know if more of his general bluntness during the performance critiques wasn't edited out so that he and/or Trixie seemed worse than they actually were. We don't know if he wasn't specifically asked to critique the coaching sessions; why else have one of the judges also be the coach? They probably just left it out that RuPaul wanted that feedback from him (for potentially more TV drama, of course). I doubt all of the reaction faces during the coaching and during the performance critiques happened exactly in response to what editing implied. That's what I took from Adam's "it's a tv show" comment. Editing is everything. The only real takeaways I got were that 1) Trixie's humor, though harmlessly intended, fell flat with Adam, 2) a few others picked up on it, 3) the other coaches were telling Trixie the same things that Adam was, 4) Adam was critiquing more than just Trixie and Dela but that's where the "drama" was, and 5) (imo) Trixie was a top 2 best performer of the group, but the coaching tension sunk her. Trixie is a legitimate singer, for sure, but contestants in reality shows are always having to work with and try the suggestions of guest mentors. I didn't get that Adam or the other coaches were doing anything egregious by suggesting she goes for the higher notes there or that Adam was expecting others to have his range. At least from what the editing showed, she was really bottoming out on her range in the one take we saw right before that coach's comment that she goes higher. At least, it didn't sound great to me. Maybe they were responding to that strain in her voice in the lower register? Maybe that was one reason that Adam and the other coaches suggested she try a higher note, in addition to selling the whole nymphomaniac part of her character. The recorded version was higher, in any case, though a different take from what the other coach suggested, and it sounded great. All that said, just like Trixie intending to be humorous doesn't mean it wasn't experienced as rudeness or aloofness by Adam, Adam's own playfulness about it later doesn't mean Trixie didn't experience that critique as humiliation. It's sad that it went down like that, if it is anywhere as painful as Trixie's interview made it seem. The reviewer from Vulture, I think, mentioned the same thing that you say: like having two friends meet and watching their chemistry tank in real time. I hope he doesn't guest judge on RPDR for a while... I think Adam is a terrific judge.. He is totally honest, fun and engaging.. Did you see him guest judge on AI as a substitute..or on Xfactor,where his contestant won..I really don't care for the oh my gosh you are all so wonderful, you are all stars kind of judges...Adam takes his job seriously...but to be honest who really gives a hoot.. Hope trixie's new album is a hit ,the press should help. I agree! I actually thoroughly enjoyed him as a mentor in all his appearances that I've been catching up on so far (I missed some, I think), and other than the editing about Trixie, I very much enjoyed him in this episode, too. I just hope he avoids guest mentoring a non-singing show that is so heavily edited for drama as this one and with such a passionate built-in fanbase. His honest mentoring style can be misapplied by editing and misread by non-fans, just like Trixie's humor can be misread by people unfamiliar with her. It's different from something like X Factor Australia--where he was there from the start of that season, his cred as a musician was much more central to his casting than his longtime friendship with the show, and he knew the contestants even better than their fans did. When he pops into a popular show as a guest and doles out his honest critique seemingly out of nowhere, especially when it involves a popular contestant, it can set the show's diehard fans on edge, and it's all at the mercy of editing. That's all I meant.
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Post by lurleene on Mar 5, 2018 14:39:42 GMT -5
Hi I don’t post much, but I have been here almost every day since as far back as Planet Fierce days. I’ve followed Adam since Idol and been to see him up and down the UK for his own tours and several times with Queen. I was really looking forward to seeing him on Drag Race coaching the final five as I really love the show and especially Trixie Mattel, Ben de la Crème and Shangela. I was really disappointed in the interaction between Adam and Trixie; and because I’m aware of her dead-pan humour I probably didn’t form the opinion that some people on this forum have, she didn’t come across as rude to me. I felt sad that two people I really admire appeared not to get on. Trixie is kind and warm-hearted, she is loved by most people in her business and her fans, she is a talented musician, singer/songwriter in her own right. As a country singer, she knows her range which isn’t of course anything like Adam’s and I think she was trying to get that across to Adam and unfortunately he appeared to be offended by it and then the whole thing seemed to descend into awkwardness. When it came to the critique of the group performances, every other queen had only comments on their performance, when it came to Trixie Adam only criticised the coaching session, which was less than complementary. Trixie doesn’t usually have a problem collaborating, check out the Trixie and Katya show on you tube, over a million views on each of over 50 episodes – someone thinks she’s funny and gets her sense of humour. Maybe it was the wrong time, wrong place, wrong person. No, it isn’t a beauty competition, as someone posted earlier – do you think previous winners Bianca del Rio, Jinkx Monsoon or Bob the Drag Queen are regarded as beauties?The last straw for me was when someone compared Trixie to Donald HeWhoCannot amed – really? Now I love Adam to bits but are we not taking the protection of a grown man a bit too far? Remember all this was recorded last August and has been edited to fit the purpose and for the drama of the show. In my opinion if Trixie says she felt humiliated, then that is how she feels, after all we have only seen a snippet of what happened and surely she has a right to express her feelings. The show was finished over 6 months ago, she has a solo tour on at the moment with her own song recently at number 1 on ITunes, she has her own fan base that adores her, so what has she to gain – nothing. I just wanted to give my probably unpopular opinion; I’ll go away and lurk again. I was the one who said I thought it was a beauty contest and talent show. I also said, I do not watch the show so I have no idea who Bianca Del Rio, Jinkx Monsson Or Bob the Drag Queen are. I only know of Sutan (?) because he is Adam's friend and some post about him here. The only drag queen I knew was from my senior year in high school and we would attend his beauty pageants to cheer him on because we liked and supported him. He was drop dead gorgeous as a male and as a female a stunning, classy beauty with a regal presence. Won every drag beauty contest he entered into. Had a voice like an angel (the only gay person our homophobic choir director would allow in his choir). He was also good in school plays and a skilled piano player. When we went off to college, he went to NY seeking a career on Broadway. Don't know what happened to him in NY but he came home with broken dreams, very ill and would only have contact with his family until he died. So I thought RPDR was something like those contests that I was familiar with but now I understand that it is not. Wasn't trying to be mean to Trixie. But it is over and Adam continues with Queen and his album and as a fan, I am happy with that. And Trixie will continue to have her fans. But the Billboard article seemed like an attention grab but don't think it will make a difference to either just maybe to some fans.
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Post by onetime on Mar 5, 2018 14:42:57 GMT -5
evie1512 I hardly coment here just like you and I can see you are a big Trixie Mattel fan. In my oponion you cannot see cleary the reality of "reality show" as RPDR. If you look behind that you will see that everybody looking for the attention of viewers and potentional future fans. Trixie has been always in the middle in this competition. She is very successful in her niche outside of the RPDR game but not on RPDR. Maybe it was her frustration to be more sucessful and she forgot to behave before her mentor -judge. In this case the mentor- judge was our Adam. She didin´t know Adam but she was rude or "funny" arogant to him. You have said she does not have a problem to cooperate and what I can see in RPDR she is not rude to her collaborators. So why Adam must be an exception? Because he is beautiful? Such a nonsense. She could said sorry for that afterwards but I haven't heard that from her. She suppose to be a funny drag queen and she has also responsibility to know your audience when you can do that and when you can´t. She is not that inocent as you see it. If she is soo humilated why she waited 10 months? She could reach Adam privatly and tolk to him about this situation that She could reach Adam privatly and tolk to him about this situation that bothered her. But no she waits until it´s broadcast and then she milked it even more in Bilboard article because she seek attention. She see an oportunity for RPDR fans to feel sorry for her. It´s kind of desperate move.
You can say she does not have thing to gain because she is so successful. It's actually not true on the RPDR game. She is in the middle and she desperately needs to prove to herself and fans that she deserves to win and she has a winning track record too to achive the final RPDR win. evie1512 please do not take my opinion as attack to you. It´s just other point of view of the watcher of RPDR.
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Post by melliemom on Mar 5, 2018 15:11:12 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaFFPlhpjUwDifferent episode ,but IMHO ,explains Trixie and the show's concept.. Trixie isn't used to being judged and gets hurt.Interesting It was a deleted scene..Ok so there ya go.editing ..show.. OK I'm done.
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Post by skaschep on Mar 5, 2018 15:26:04 GMT -5
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Post by skaschep on Mar 5, 2018 15:27:28 GMT -5
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Post by skaschep on Mar 5, 2018 15:28:20 GMT -5
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