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Post by Q3 on Apr 22, 2018 15:52:07 GMT -5
That is not diminishing Adam -- it is the way AVICII ran his business -- all the performers got writing credit so they get royalties. If Adam was "just" a vocalist, he would not get royalties. It is not a new model -- it has been done since Elvis Presley in the 1950s. It is a work-around for the outdated recorded music rules which are based on sheet music!! Also, Adam has talked at length about how that recording session happened and his role. Thanks!!! Makes sense. Really glad we have not heard of Adam working with that Sterling guy again tho. He was too much with the attempts to undercut Adam's success with Ghost Town and claim it all for himself. Why would any artist want to write or work with him with that attitude? I am not a fan of Sterling Fox but I have some sympathy for him. The song was written before Adam worked on it or recorded it. It would be really hard for me if I wrote a song like that and did not get full credit for writing it. "According to Fox, lyrical inspiration and subtext for the song was a veiled reference to his own inability to come to terms with being a ghost writer for other people's songs." But that is how the business works. And everyone has to play along. ** The US Congress has a bill to reform royalties and fix this, but it is sitting getting dusty.
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Post by lurleene on Apr 22, 2018 16:03:19 GMT -5
Thanks!!! Makes sense. Really glad we have not heard of Adam working with that Sterling guy again tho. He was too much with the attempts to undercut Adam's success with Ghost Town and claim it all for himself. Why would any artist want to write or work with him with that attitude? I am not a fan of Sterling Fox but I have some sympathy for him. The song was written before Adam worked on it or recorded it. It would be really hard for me if I wrote a song like that and did not get full credit for writing it. "According to Fox, lyrical inspiration and subtext for the song was a veiled reference to his own inability to come to terms with being a ghost writer for other people's songs." But that is how the business works. And everyone has to play along. ** The US Congress has a bill to reform royalties and fix this, but it is sitting getting dusty. But would you want to work with him again after that public display in Billboard and other places while you are trying to promote your new single? If you want full credit then don't give the song to another artist and allow the artist to make changes or add to it.
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Post by nightowl on Apr 22, 2018 16:05:37 GMT -5
I can understand Sterling Fox to a certain degree as well. When Ghost Town was released, Adam was asked in every interview about the meaning of that song. With the knowledge, that Adam didn’t really write it, it was even to me cringeworthy to watch him explain the meaning. I mean, it must have some meaning to Adam and I‘m sure he was able to identify with it. BUT the song existed almost completely, before Adam came into the picture (of Max Martin‘s writer‘s group) and the song was made Adam’s. There were just a few words and a bit of the arrangement changed. Yes, without Fox telling that by releasing his own original version, we would never have known that. And it’s how that business works. But I do understand that it’s hard to accept that somebody else gets all the praise for „your“ song. Nevertheless Fox should not have done it..,
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Post by katycake on Apr 22, 2018 16:07:17 GMT -5
I think Nile wanted to do right by Adam by making sure he had writing credits. But I had noticed that Nile doesn't always consider his words very carefully, and so, the way he told it made Adam sound like that diva super model from the 80s (who was it?) who wouldn't get out of bed for less than $10,000...🤭
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Post by nightowl on Apr 22, 2018 16:12:48 GMT -5
I think Nile wanted to do right by Adam by making sure he had writing credits. But I had noticed that Nile doesn't always consider his words very carefully, and so, the way he told it made Adam sound like that diva super model from the 80s (who was it?) who wouldn't get out of bed for less than $10,000...🤭 Or you can consider it this way: Nile and Avicii planned that recording session badly. And thanks to Adam the song became a hit nevertheless. 👍 I mean - you can’t expect, that Adam jumps spontaneously and immediately into the studio, just because Nile is calling.... And that’s how he explained it.
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Post by Q3 on Apr 22, 2018 16:17:21 GMT -5
Did I understand that L.A. Times article correctly: it was Prince, who originally should have sung „Lay me down“? Wow. No Nile wanted to meet up with Prince in LA for something. Not to work with Avicii I think. Yes, Nile has said that it was supposed to be Prince, Avicii and him on "Lay Me Down". But Prince sent his backup vocalists, King, to the recording session instead. > The fact that he sent his backup singers, makes the city-confusion story, sound more like an excuse not to leave Las Vegas. > Avicii was not huge yet, and Prince didn't need to do a collaboration. That is why Adam was called in at the last minute and had to do the treadmill workout.
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Post by Q3 on Apr 22, 2018 16:20:40 GMT -5
I think Nile wanted to do right by Adam by making sure he had writing credits. But I had noticed that Nile doesn't always consider his words very carefully, and so, the way he told it made Adam sound like that diva super model from the 80s (who was it?) who wouldn't get out of bed for less than $10,000...🤭 Adam (like any smart artist-business person) does not ever diminish his own worth. It is a smart way to do business but we've heard rumblings about his payment requirements for years -- even for radio promos. All major artists do this.
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Post by stampsgal on Apr 22, 2018 16:21:09 GMT -5
Thanks!!! Makes sense. Really glad we have not heard of Adam working with that Sterling guy again tho. He was too much with the attempts to undercut Adam's success with Ghost Town and claim it all for himself. Why would any artist want to write or work with him with that attitude? I am not a fan of Sterling Fox but I have some sympathy for him. The song was written before Adam worked on it or recorded it. It would be really hard for me if I wrote a song like that and did not get full credit for writing it. "According to Fox, lyrical inspiration and subtext for the song was a veiled reference to his own inability to come to terms with being a ghost writer for other people's songs." But that is how the business works. And everyone has to play along. ** The US Congress has a bill to reform royalties and fix this, but it is sitting getting dusty. I agree...Adam-- adamized and added to the song, but Sterling Fox deserves recognition as the person who intially created lyrics for Ghost Town. It may have been done it in an odd way (posting his handwritten notes) ...but fair is fair. I often thought it seemed unfair to criticize him. He was feeling proud, and left out of the acclaim. Perhaps he jumped the gun and did not source out Adam to see if a "collaborative" sneak peak of the process could be done. It would have allowed for a positive reception...to Sterling re the final product. ( ie ...like the short videos shown by Nile/Rico Love/Tedder/Sarah Hudson / Ferras etc etc etc.) I remember Ryan Tedder discussing Beyoncé and the song Halo, he wrote/ produced. Eventually, he said she took what he wrote and by the way she sang it/ interpreted a certain part, it made it a better song, so she deserved " some" credit. Stories vary but if true, she wanted writing credit and it took quite a bit for her to get it from Ryan. Of course she wanted a writing credit to get more royalties.
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Post by Q3 on Apr 22, 2018 16:36:17 GMT -5
I am not a fan of Sterling Fox but I have some sympathy for him. The song was written before Adam worked on it or recorded it. It would be really hard for me if I wrote a song like that and did not get full credit for writing it. "According to Fox, lyrical inspiration and subtext for the song was a veiled reference to his own inability to come to terms with being a ghost writer for other people's songs." But that is how the business works. And everyone has to play along. ** The US Congress has a bill to reform royalties and fix this, but it is sitting getting dusty. I agree...Adam-- adamized and added to the song, but Sterling Fox deserves recognition as the person who intially created lyrics for Ghost Town. It may have been done it in an odd way (posting his handwritten notes) ...but fair is fair. I often thought it seemed unfair to criticize him. He was feeling proud, and left out of the acclaim. Perhaps he jumped the gun and did not source out Adam to see if a "collaborative" sneak peak of the process could be done. It would have allowed for a positive reception...to Sterling re the final product. ( ie ...like the short videos shown by Nile/Rico Love/Tedder/Sarah Hudson / Ferras etc etc etc.) There are also at least three other people who contributed to this song's final form. For example, I believe that Ali Payami is responsible for the arrangement. The melody and lyrics were there before the team started to work on it. But I really think this is an example of a song that would have been just OK without Adam's vocal performance and the production choices. The percussion track, for example, works perfectly. And that was created by the producers.
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Post by stampsgal on Apr 22, 2018 16:39:15 GMT -5
Oh yes... true...my haste in writing..
YES...GT was a team effort, not just Sterling.
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