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Post by skaschep on Feb 10, 2019 14:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by marionm on Feb 10, 2019 14:34:23 GMT -5
cassie thanks for the insight and happy belated birthday 🙂
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Post by sizzling63 on Feb 10, 2019 14:37:34 GMT -5
There are also a couple of interesting comments from Lenny responding to others. I didn't know how to insert a screen shot of it but here are the comments: Emory Davis: This was similar to the one he sang on the show during Hollywood week without the orchestration of course right Lenny Wee: I did a lot of reharm on this one...and came up with different the ending. But yeah similar vibe! David Bawiec: DUUUUUDE! I’d been listening on repeat to this one! You did this?!? The new chords are f*%$in’ brilliant!!!! 😍 Lenny Wee: Thanks!....the melody hangs on 2,5 and 1 for the most part, so quite a lot of options for reharm. Most of my reharm was done by creating an ascending baseline and harmonizing on top of it. Bruce Thomas: My wife and I saw it and she said, "That song was never that good before" and I said, "Yeah, take away the disco-beat, autotune and echo stuff, write some nice changes and an imaginative arrangement, and get a great singer . . . and now it is!" Shouldn't that be Adam's "winning" formula anyways? I think "Believe" was almost a new breakthrough song for Adam. I had not seen a reception this enthusiastic in terms of his solo career since Idol.
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Post by sizzling63 on Feb 10, 2019 14:47:31 GMT -5
Appreciate your posting this for me (you to bamafan). Not that I know what the heck hanging on 2,5, and 1 means etc haha...but just to know others in the music world appreciated the flavor and the vibe of the work that went into creating this special rendition of Believe WITH Adam, No doubt the collaboration took more than a few minutes of creative genius !!! as the music and the styling would not be something that you could imitate from the original. The arrangement was brilliant. "Reharm" is short for "re-harmonizing", meaning changing the chords played behind the melody. The original song had very basic chording/harmony. This arrangement was much more complex and interesting. The 2, 5 and 1 refer to the notes on the scale for the melody. There are 12 notes in a scale in western music (do, re, mi, f, sol, etc). The melody of "Believe" uses mostly just the 2nd, 5th, and 1st note of the scale, repeatedly (re, sol, do). Rather pedantic and boring, actually. Altering the bassline and harmony of the arrangement made the melody more interesting. Then, Adam also added notes and varied the melody, as he often does for artistic and dramatic purposes. The arranger and Adam worked well together to create and actually reinvent the song. They did much more than just change the tempo and make it a ballad rather than disco. I would love to see them do more "covers" like this together. I love your insight on this, Cassie. It is good to know that the effortless beauty of "Believe" was the result of skillful attention to detail in song arrangement prior to perfect execution. For me, it was an absolute dream collaboration. I too would love MORE in this lane. Thanks to bamafan for inspiring this discussion by bringing over Lenny Wee's comment on how he created Adam's arrangement for "Believe".
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Post by sizzling63 on Feb 10, 2019 14:52:20 GMT -5
Interesting that you bring up "the Assassination of Gianni Versace". We just finished it. Even though after every episode I told myself that I wouldn't continue as it is just too freaky, gory, and dark. Well, I couldn't resist and made it through as I was too drawn to the story. I agree that Darren Criss was shockingly good in this role but I too would never wish for Adam to take on anything like that. It is less freaky toward the final episodes btw. I had been checking it out since Darren won but haven't finished the whole thing. DH thinks it is just too scary and won't finish it but I will plan to now since you say it is less freaky toward the final episodes. Darren looks shockingly like the actual guy and has the same ethnic background (Filipino and Caucasian). thelambertluvva, You should finish it as you likely made it through the worst parts already, but I don't want to give away too much. I can't tell you how often I turned away or closed my eyes, and I don't typically watch this type of stuff. Not my thing in general. If you finish, let me know what you think. It definitely inspires a discussion of all sorts as it is based on a true story. How is this Adam related? I got a bit paranoid between episodes and was thinking to myself, "I hope Adam will keep filtering through his acquaintances and friends carefully...", and I told my kids as well to not be too trusting. As I said, I got a bit paranoid.
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Post by stampsgal on Feb 10, 2019 14:59:52 GMT -5
The arrangement was brilliant. "Reharm" is short for "re-harmonizing", meaning changing the chords played behind the melody. The original song had very basic chording/harmony. This arrangement was much more complex and interesting. The 2, 5 and 1 refer to the notes on the scale for the melody. There are 12 notes in a scale in western music (do, re, mi, f, sol, etc). The melody of "Believe" uses mostly just the 2nd, 5th, and 1st note of the scale, repeatedly (re, sol, do). Rather pedantic and boring, actually. Altering the bassline and harmony of the arrangement made the melody more interesting. Then, Adam also added notes and varied the melody, as he often does for artistic and dramatic purposes. The arranger and Adam worked well together to create and actually reinvent the song. They did much more than just change the tempo and make it a ballad rather than disco. I would love to see them do more "covers" like this together. Learning all the time on this site. Thanks Cassie! In our school system we had music in Elementary and Jr High...but little that was theoretical, and limited time as well as I remember. It is apparent to me my semester of choral music in grade 12, taken a bizzilion years ago ...taught me only a little more about the nuances of music. Choir was one of two options that allowed a split situation in a yearly school schedule and I wanted to get a homework class that was scheduled in the cafeteria in the second half of the year. I competed on school teams, and my competitive figure skating competitions were in the spring. In choir class we sang songs and then for a final mark we had to do individual acappella singing of an up or down note and half notes as the teacher played a note on the piano. We also had to sing in a trio. I got lucky I hit my individual notes and the other two in my trio were darn good singers. I did miss choir/other students, as I sat in silence/NO talking allowed, doing busy work repetitive math questions/other subject work.
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Post by thelambertluvva on Feb 10, 2019 15:12:00 GMT -5
The arrangement was brilliant. "Reharm" is short for "re-harmonizing", meaning changing the chords played behind the melody. The original song had very basic chording/harmony. This arrangement was much more complex and interesting. The 2, 5 and 1 refer to the notes on the scale for the melody. There are 12 notes in a scale in western music (do, re, mi, f, sol, etc). The melody of "Believe" uses mostly just the 2nd, 5th, and 1st note of the scale, repeatedly (re, sol, do). Rather pedantic and boring, actually. Altering the bassline and harmony of the arrangement made the melody more interesting. Then, Adam also added notes and varied the melody, as he often does for artistic and dramatic purposes. The arranger and Adam worked well together to create and actually reinvent the song. They did much more than just change the tempo and make it a ballad rather than disco. I would love to see them do more "covers" like this together. Learning all the time on this site. Thanks Cassie! In our school system we had music in Elementary and Jr High...but little that was theoretical, and limited time as well as I remember. It is apparent to me my semester of choral music in grade 12, taken a bizzilion years ago ...taught me only a little more about the nuances of music. Choir was one of two options that allowed a split situation in a yearly school schedule and I wanted to get a homework class that was scheduled in the cafeteria in the second half of the year. I competed on school teams, and my competitive figure skating competitions were in the spring. In choir class we sang songs and then for a final mark we had to do individual acappella singing of an up or down note and half notes as the teacher played a note on the piano. We also had to sing in a trio. I got lucky I hit my individual notes and the other two in my trio were darn good singers. I did miss choir/other students, as I sat in silence/NO talking allowed, doing busy work repetitive math questions/other subject work. Yes, thanks so much Cassie for explaining everything. The same guy arranged Gladys Knight singing The Star Spangled Banner at the SB. Any thoughts on that one?
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Post by bamafan on Feb 10, 2019 15:13:11 GMT -5
I enjoyed it all the way thru. Yes, it was dark and ugly....but so was the real story. I thought Judith Light was very good in it as well as Darren and enjoyed Ricky Martin as the lover/bf. I see lots of similarities in Ricky and Adam...I think Adam could have played that part, but Ricky had the Miami/Latin flare for the role. We know that Ryan Murphy wanted and got Adam for Glee, I wish he'd put him in one of his AHS episodes or another Crime Story or one of his other projects. I know Adam would love to have a small role on AHS. I posted this the other day. I have never watched "American Horror Story" so is it like a horror film type show or is the name misleading? I will only watch shows like that if someone I really want to see is in it. Like Adam, lol. It is just hard for me to get some images out of my head. I love "Game of Thrones" but I mute the sound and look away when it starts to get too gruesome. HA! "Gus Kenworthy will join the cast of "American Horror Story" for its ninth season.The openly gay U.S. Olympic silver medalist and professional freestyle skier will star as the boyfriend of Emma Roberts' character. Ryan Murphy, the FX show's creator, announced the exciting news in an Instagram post on Wednesday." www.yahoo.com/gma/olympic-medalist-gus-kenworthy-taking-role-american-horror-190203145--abc-news-celebrities.htmlYes, I had seen that about Gus. He's not an actor, just currently a somewhat popular gay guy. That's why I think Adam could do AHS as well. The bf to Emma Robert's character will prob be a somewhat small role. AHS uses most of the same main cast for each series. Sometimes it's kinda gory/bloody/violent and sometimes it's kinda ridiculous and funny. There are often gay themes and overtones, some political pokes. There are covens of witches, side show freaks, evil houses, end of the world scenarios, etc. I liked most all of the series with the exception of Roanoke which kinda bored me. It's kinda hard to believe that the same guy who did Glee is now doing all these dark twisted series. Ryan Murphy must be a multi-facited interesting fella.....but not quite as out there as David Lynch....lol. I've been hoping for some more Twin Peaks...don't know if or when that might happen.
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Post by bamafan on Feb 10, 2019 15:16:13 GMT -5
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Post by thelambertluvva on Feb 10, 2019 15:17:11 GMT -5
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