kryptoman68
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Post by kryptoman68 on Apr 30, 2019 19:19:06 GMT -5
Agree (finally). Adam has more then educated me and I am glad for it. The backlash was brutal. I didn't watch that network for over 2 years. And, as more and more of their own personnel came out, I got even more pissed. Where were they during the backlash? But, the deal is, they did come out. And, I can't help but think that Adam was instrumental in initiating that process. I was one of the ones pissed at Adam, not to the point of writing a letter. Probably wouldn't have been so much if I hadn't called my 10 year old son out to watch just Adam's performance. It was not a nice guy next door performance, nor was it naughty raunchy like he was starting to turn the Idol tour concerts into. It was straight up angry which I had never seen from him before or since. I bought the CD but didn't listen to it for at least a week. I did keep watching to see how he handled the backlash. It took him a couple of weeks to get off of the "but girls do it" lament which I guess in the long run became the big story and on to the "I didn't rehearse it that way and I hadn't been on TV since Idol so it was unexpected" which mollified me more. I do wonder if a few tweaks such as, less crotch faces and a smooch instead of a face swallow would have gotten a lot less push back. But then so did the other side of the album cover. All water under the bridge now. Talk about some publicity - that was a water cooler moment. Strangely enough, I did not register the crotch or kiss as problems. I was pissed because the vocals weren't on point. It took me a while to realize people were upset about the sexual stuff. But then again I am not American, so I didn't think he did anything wrong, besides the worst vocal performance of his career. I was glad they were talking over the performance in the documentary
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Post by girldrummer on Apr 30, 2019 19:21:27 GMT -5
Agree (finally). Adam has more then educated me and I am glad for it. The backlash was brutal. I didn't watch that network for over 2 years. And, as more and more of their own personnel came out, I got even more pissed. Where were they during the backlash? But, the deal is, they did come out. And, I can't help but think that Adam was instrumental in initiating that process. I was one of the ones pissed at Adam, not to the point of writing a letter. Probably wouldn't have been so much if I hadn't called my 10 year old son out to watch just Adam's performance. It was not a nice guy next door performance, nor was it naughty raunchy like he was starting to turn the Idol tour concerts into. It was straight up angry which I had never seen from him before or since. I bought the CD but didn't listen to it for at least a week. I did keep watching to see how he handled the backlash. It took him a couple of weeks to get off of the "but girls do it" lament which I guess in the long run became the big story and on to the "I didn't rehearse it that way and I hadn't been on TV since Idol so it was unexpected" which mollified me more. I do wonder if a few tweaks such as, less crotch faces and a smooch instead of a face swallow would have gotten a lot less push back. But then so did the other side of the album cover. All water under the bridge now. Talk about some publicity - that was a water cooler moment. I didn't have any little kids in the house during the AMAs, so I wasn't upset in that way. I just thought Adam was pissed and was out to shock. He did say afterwards that he wanted to up his game a bit after following Gaga and (Janet Jackson?). Anyway, he thought he had to amp up the sex and so there it was. Too much too soon. Idol fans who loved his sweet edginess were still not ready for masochistic sex and full-mouth gay kissing. I was not shocked in a prim and proper sort of way. I just think he had gone too far for that particular situation. It was the first time that an big audience beyond the Idol viewers was seeing him on broadcast TV, and that was their first impression. And it turned lots of people off. He came across as arrogant and entitled and pretty sleazy. What the women performers did really didn't matter. They were accepted. Adam was not. He was still supposed to be the sweet but edgy Idol boy. Barry Manilow commented on performance soon after. He said that Adam should have just stood on a darkened stage with a single light shining down on him and sung a beautiful ballad. Probably good advice, especially coming from another gay singer. I think the AMA thing has stuck in many people's minds. They turned away and never turned back. Adam is a different person now and I think he his ten years of experience has given him a better sense of what to do and where to do it.
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Post by girldrummer on Apr 30, 2019 19:24:02 GMT -5
And he fell down and had to do a quick roll-over to get back up. And yes, his vocals were pretty shaky. He must have been really keyed up. His vocal control is always spot on. He's learned a lot since then.
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Post by nica575 on Apr 30, 2019 19:47:55 GMT -5
Mojo now reports BR as “closed” as of April 25 with domestic total of $216,428,042.
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Post by lurleene on Apr 30, 2019 20:18:11 GMT -5
I just watched TSMGO doc. again. It was even better the second time. I think the Oscar performance would have happened, even without the special, once they ironed out some kinks. That was too big of a gig to pass up, imo. But I won't pretend I know how it happened to be grateful that it did happen. We may never know unless someone in the know tells us. But this has been two days of wonderful exposure for Adam.
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Post by sizzling63 on Apr 30, 2019 20:27:46 GMT -5
I was one of the ones pissed at Adam, not to the point of writing a letter. Probably wouldn't have been so much if I hadn't called my 10 year old son out to watch just Adam's performance. It was not a nice guy next door performance, nor was it naughty raunchy like he was starting to turn the Idol tour concerts into. It was straight up angry which I had never seen from him before or since. I bought the CD but didn't listen to it for at least a week. I did keep watching to see how he handled the backlash. It took him a couple of weeks to get off of the "but girls do it" lament which I guess in the long run became the big story and on to the "I didn't rehearse it that way and I hadn't been on TV since Idol so it was unexpected" which mollified me more. I do wonder if a few tweaks such as, less crotch faces and a smooch instead of a face swallow would have gotten a lot less push back. But then so did the other side of the album cover. All water under the bridge now. Talk about some publicity - that was a water cooler moment. I didn't have any little kids in the house during the AMAs, so I wasn't upset in that way. I just thought Adam was pissed and was out to shock. He did say afterwards that he wanted to up his game a bit after following Gaga and (Janet Jackson?). Anyway, he thought he had to amp up the sex and so there it was. Too much too soon. Idol fans who loved his sweet edginess were still not ready for masochistic sex and full-mouth gay kissing. I was not shocked in a prim and proper sort of way. I just think he had gone too far for that particular situation. It was the first time that an big audience beyond the Idol viewers was seeing him on broadcast TV, and that was their first impression. And it turned lots of people off. He came across as arrogant and entitled and pretty sleazy. What the women performers did really didn't matter. They were accepted. Adam was not. He was still supposed to be the sweet but edgy Idol boy. Barry Manilow commented on performance soon after. He said that Adam should have just stood on a darkened stage with a single light shining down on him and sung a beautiful ballad. Probably good advice, especially coming from another gay singer. I think the AMA thing has stuck in many people's minds. They turned away and never turned back. Adam is a different person now and I think he his ten years of experience has given him a better sense of what to do and where to do it. I believe that the adrenaline and added pressure to compete with the divas by closing the show with a bang caused him to go overboard. Plus, there must have been some pent up anger and frustration that needed some release - for instance, his female fanbase wanted sexy Adam (after all they threw mountains of lingerie at him during the Idol tour), then he did the Details shoot with a female model and Out Magazine criticized him in an open letter for not representing the gay community appropriately when posing with a "barbie"... confusing. Adam was also ready to "push buttons" as he had mentioned previously during Idol tour interviews. I agree, it was too much too early and it cost him here in the US. It was the first appearance 6 months after Idol and he gave his fans someone totally different from what they fell in love with on Idol. Plus, FYE in itself was not the right song either. In the end, Adam did make a statement and he caused a discussion and he created an easier path for others, however I do not need that type of a performance ever again. Even the vocals were off.
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Post by lurleene on Apr 30, 2019 20:46:13 GMT -5
I didn't have any little kids in the house during the AMAs, so I wasn't upset in that way. I just thought Adam was pissed and was out to shock. He did say afterwards that he wanted to up his game a bit after following Gaga and (Janet Jackson?). Anyway, he thought he had to amp up the sex and so there it was. Too much too soon. Idol fans who loved his sweet edginess were still not ready for masochistic sex and full-mouth gay kissing. I was not shocked in a prim and proper sort of way. I just think he had gone too far for that particular situation. It was the first time that an big audience beyond the Idol viewers was seeing him on broadcast TV, and that was their first impression. And it turned lots of people off. He came across as arrogant and entitled and pretty sleazy. What the women performers did really didn't matter. They were accepted. Adam was not. He was still supposed to be the sweet but edgy Idol boy. Barry Manilow commented on performance soon after. He said that Adam should have just stood on a darkened stage with a single light shining down on him and sung a beautiful ballad. Probably good advice, especially coming from another gay singer. I think the AMA thing has stuck in many people's minds. They turned away and never turned back. Adam is a different person now and I think he his ten years of experience has given him a better sense of what to do and where to do it. LOL! Me either. But I was so excited about Adam performing that I called my two sisters (who did not watch Idol) to tune in to see this guy I had been raving about. Sigh. To this day, I rarely ask them to watch. I did for the Oscars and Kennedy Honors but most of the time I just don't bother. When they were visiting, at various times, I showed them a tape of the EMA's, Glee, Girl Crush and the part of Iheart that was on tv. They like him well enough, and really seem to enjoy what I show them, but I don't push them to keep up with what he is doing.
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Post by adamrocks on Apr 30, 2019 20:46:50 GMT -5
I have watched TSMGO four times now! What an amazing and well done documentary. We feel the 'magic' that is Queen and Adam...the new era of Queen.
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Post by lorraine on Apr 30, 2019 21:01:24 GMT -5
The most wonderful thing about seeing the QAL documentary on network television,here in the US, was the widespread EXPOSURE; not many can ever say "Adam,who?" to me again. Right after the broadcast---and for days leading up to it, I was getting countless emails, text messages and phone calls from people I know ,commenting on the program.Many were amazed at the extent and length of Adam's tours with Queen,his incredible voice and the mutual love and respect among the band members-especially the fabulous trio. For me, I was most touched by seeing the footage from the Isle of Wight, once again. I was so glad they included that poignant rendition of Adam singing WWTLF. The documentary was well done,and for me it could have gone on for hours more,{and I'm not even kidding!} But, when it was all said and done, the greatest message that came across in the film was the COURAGE that it took for this young man,raised here in San Diego, to dare to dream big enough to say YES to Brian and Roger when he was asked to join them in Kiev----and the rest is music history.
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Post by 3ku1 on Apr 30, 2019 21:40:42 GMT -5
That Isle 2016 performance of WWTLF, was prob the best Recorded version since Freddie Budapest. I Think the emotional weight really made it feel different. The Amas were as high stakes as his first up Queen performance. Looking back it was the thing he ever did. The trajectory in his career would of been far different. IT really made him an international superstar over night. I mean on Idol he was grabbing his crutch in Whole Lotta Love. So really. I mean Adam did say for 3 months after idol finished. He was on the Idol Tour, and women were throwing underwear and bras on stage lol. So that was the mindset he was in. Creatively he had moved past the idol phase. And clearly at that point of time his audience, were still in that bubble. I Think if Adam learnt anything, it was to rehearse more.
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