loxie
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Post by loxie on Mar 5, 2020 14:28:33 GMT -5
Was anyone here around at the time of the polio epidemic before vaccines were available? It was quite awful. My boss's father contracted polio and spent years in an iron lung and suffered debilitating effects which worsened in time until his death in 2005. My cousin contracted polio while in the hospital for the birth of her daughter. And these were healthy people. Again, we have to wait 1 to 1 1/2 years for a vaccine for this new virus strain. It may be premature to cancel large events but at least that should allow people time to change their plans, rather than canceling the week before.
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Post by girldrummer on Mar 5, 2020 14:32:32 GMT -5
I imagine there will be other artists' shows cancelled as well. There already have been, I'm sure. Adam is just launching his new album so we are all rooting for him. Hope he can do his Vegas shows.
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Post by nightowl on Mar 5, 2020 14:34:18 GMT -5
As of today, the death rate for Coronavirus is 3.4% - for seasonal flu, it is well under 1%. That is a large difference. Hopefully it changes for the better, but there is a reason for all the precaution. This is a new strain, which means it is unpredictable. Precaution is understandable. But much of it doesn’t make much sense. At least to me. People carry the virus for up to 3 weeks (!) before they eventually get ill and notice it. Until then they have spread it everywhere they had been in that time. In my opinion this kind of virus can’t really be stopped. Unless you stop any interaction and lock everyone at once for a month at home. Nothing else works. I‘m living in a city of 4 million people. I‘m also working as a teacher in an elementary school. What sense does it make to cancel a concert in a city, where almost 1 million people use the public transport every day, standing shoulder to shoulder and all touching the same grips and doorhandles? These are just my thoughts. And I‘m thinking that without all the crazy media, we would all live in peace. And get sick or not.
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Post by betty on Mar 5, 2020 14:34:26 GMT -5
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Post by danae on Mar 5, 2020 14:35:26 GMT -5
I‘m not saying, it’s harmless. But canceling an event now that is still almost 3 months away is insane. The people that have been hospitalized in my country have all but 2 only a cold. I‘m sure that is going to change soon and some people are going to die. But seeing how fast and easily that virus is spreading, it will have reached almost everyone in Europe within the next 4-6 weeks. That’s why I don’t think that canceling an event in 2-3 months will make any sense. We will have survived it or not. Or get it anywhere else, because it is going to be everywhere (or nowhere) by May. I don’t disagree, you’re probably right. But right now, countries are trying to prevent that from happening, while also taking action to prop up the markets which are reacting to the crisis.
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Post by nica575 on Mar 5, 2020 14:37:04 GMT -5
I suppose they can put it back on the schedule if the outbreak subsides...may be that why they don't refund?
If many people decide to take the "Better safe than sorry" approach and don't attend then playing an emptyish arena is no fun either...
Idk what the right solution is... Each has their own perception of one's invisibility...
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Post by deb5anne on Mar 5, 2020 14:40:57 GMT -5
Paris and the shame for fans is it says until May 31 so QAL is a few days before that. Hopefully they will be able to come up with another date. There can only be a date after Madrid. The rest of the schedule is completely full. So, if the venue (and the band) are free, it could be possible. Paris is more or less on the way from Madrid to London. Schedule says there are 4 days between Copenhagen and Madrid. Flight time looks like it's only 2 hours from Copenhagen to Paris and Paris to Madrid. May not be workable for some other reason. I don't see anything else either. It seems like Adam's EU and UK shows are far enough out hopefully will be ok. I'm going to 2 shows in Vegas. Hoping those don't get canceled. 💖
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Post by MeggyMeg on Mar 5, 2020 14:45:03 GMT -5
As of today, the death rate for Coronavirus is 3.4% - for seasonal flu, it is well under 1%. That is a large difference. Hopefully it changes for the better, but there is a reason for all the precaution. This is a new strain, which means it is unpredictable.
Except we don't really know how many people actually have it as not everyone who is suffering from flu-like symptoms will automatically run to the doctor and even then, there is limited access to testing. Not to mention the fact that they estimate up to 80% people are asymptomatic to begin with.
So, in reality, with incomplete data, that number is bogus. Garbage in, garbage out.
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Post by nightowl on Mar 5, 2020 14:47:11 GMT -5
I suppose they can put it back on the schedule if the outbreak subsides...may be that why they don't refund? If many people decide to take the "Better safe than sorry" approach and don't attend then playing an emptyish arena is no fun either... Idk what the right solution is... Each has their own perception of one's invisibility... Putting it back after a cancellation is not possible, from what I know. People will cancel their hotels and train/plane tickets. There is no way they are going to put it back after some time. Rescheduling takes some time. The organizers have just gotten the information. Now they have to see what to do. In Germany that cancellation would be a case of „force majeure“. Which means, there wouldn‘t be a refund and that even a new date would be up to the goodwill of the band. I don’t know, if it’s the same in France.
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Post by nightowl on Mar 5, 2020 14:59:34 GMT -5
As of today, the death rate for Coronavirus is 3.4% - for seasonal flu, it is well under 1%. That is a large difference. Hopefully it changes for the better, but there is a reason for all the precaution. This is a new strain, which means it is unpredictable.
Except we don't really know how many people actually have it as not everyone who is suffering from flu-like symptoms will automatically run to the doctor and even then, there is limited access to testing. Not to mention the fact that they estimate up to 80% people are asymptomatic to begin with.
So, in reality, with incomplete data, that number is bogus. Garbage in, garbage out.
True.
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