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Post by tigerlily on Aug 12, 2012 11:13:17 GMT -5
Ok, I am only now reading ALL the tweets from Adam last night. I didn't now that he actually said, "that Japenese quote was way lost in translation..." Suddenly, my optimism is shot. Is this an outright denial of the Idol job? How are you guys interpreting this? I am really trying to hang on to hope here. Read mwp's post...I think she covers it nicely. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...just sayin.  I'm disappointed, but my feelings about the possibility of the Idol job have gone down significantly in the past 24 hours. :( Look at how long fans held on to that pie-in-the-sky Olympic performance possibility!  Of course, there was no way that was happening due to the guidelines that UK had set into motion months before- but fans refused to believe that! Idol is different, due to the fact that there always was a possibility that it could really happen! If the Idol judging job doesn't happen, I hope RCA has some type of massive strategical game plan for single #3! If not, it's going to be a loooong fall. :( |
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 12, 2012 11:13:39 GMT -5
okay, folks, here's my clearly 100% accurate interpretation of last night's twitter party ;D : 1) Adam, under some sort of gag-order (maybe by FOX), lets slip a little more than he means to at Japanese meet'n'greet 2) Adam needs to back-track, but not make it too obvious/attention-grabbing 3) Adam opens with a tweet about the cray to throw people off the scent 4) Adam attempts to bury his actual purpose in a twitter party 5) Adam casually issues a non-denial denial about September 6) Adam answers a whole lot of other silly questions, including sorta (not really) talking about the single, to distract us 7) Adam throws out a final shiny object in the pic of him as a Pretty Little Liar a) to send us one final distraction to fuss over, and b) to give us a little (we know how Adam loves his ;)s) to make up for all the pretty little lying he was doing about Sept. The whole thing really was expertly orchestrated. Far too well orchestrated, imo, to simply be a spur-of-the-moment twitter party about various stuff. That's my story and I'm sticking to it, and just to be clear I don't even care whether the big thing in Sept. is Idol or not--I'm just thrilled with the certainty that there's "something's coming--I don't know what it is but it is gonna be greeeeaaaate..." THIS!! Every word. It totally smacked of someone who was afraid they said too much and tried to backpedal to smooth it over. And the thing is, if all indications that Idol is announcing very soon, the deals are done. So he knows yes or no at this point. What would possibly be the reason for stringing it along yet again this late in the game? IF he didn't get it, the twitter party was the perfect opportunity to extricate himself gracefully and put our focus back on the single. "That would have been lovely, but I'm so busy with the new single and other great things coming up!!" As I said last night, any residual PR value would be at an end the second Idol announces so to continue to torture us for a remote PR benefit is a stretch, IMO. BTW, I don't follow the AdamLambertJP account. They tweet in mostly Japanese, so lol, no I don't think it's any indication of the actual size of his fan base by any stretch. And he is unfreakingbelievably gorgeous in that video. |
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Post by bullsfan on Aug 12, 2012 11:13:49 GMT -5
Well, the twitter party was definitely damage control. But exactly what "damage" was he controlling? Did he spill too much and needed to reign things back in because Idol is in charge of making any announcements? Or, did he see all the absolute flailing about a job in Sept. that he knows isn't happening and needed to reign things back in before it got bigger than it already was? I think it could go either way.
Anyway, I only saw the tweets from the twitter party last night, so I somehow missed the earlier one where it seems like he basically shoots down the whole thing. This just kinda changed everything for me. I mean, how much clearer could he have been?
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Post by cassie on Aug 12, 2012 11:14:31 GMT -5
I also think it is just fine to compare musicians. Many people prefer Freddie and think he was the superior singer of the two. Whenever I hear a superiorly trained opera singer perform pop, I usually find it cringeworthy. In that case, the opera singer is not better (to me) because they can't do the style justice. There are many singers with fabulous voices who are not classically/broadway trained or may have just a little training. Similarly, when I see actors in movies, I don't judge them on a sliding scale based on if they have professional training or acting degrees. I just say "x" is a better actor than "y". I don't say "x" has had extensive training so it's not fair to compare with "y". So, yes, enjoy singers/artists for their own merits. But it is a perfectly natural (and valid) human reaction to compare things. One can enjoy the trained and untrained. It's art; it's subjective; it's meant to entertain. Comparisons get made, and it's fine.  , you brought up some interesting points. I think it is probably hardwired into humans to compare things. It must serve an important evolutionary purpose. It is remarkable to me that Adam seems NOT to automatically compare things. Witness his dislike of choosing favorites, or his praise for diverse singers and performers. Even his penchant for crossing and combining genres in his own music. I also agree with you about the success of highly trained opera singers attempting to sing pop/rock. I cringe when I hear it, too. It is another remarkable thing about Adam that he sings with classical technique but sounds so convincing in other genres; rock, pop, blues, funk, R&B. I have an old friend who is a choral director, musical theater performer/director and vocal teacher. I recently introduced him to Adam with little explanation (amazing that someone had NOT been aware of Adam and his incredible voice). I played the YT of Queenbert’s opening medley in London. My friend immediately recognized that Adam had a legitimate, highly trained voice and probably musical theater experience. When he pointed out all the reasons why he concluded that, it was OBVIOUS to me as well. Our discussion of Adam’s voice and performance gave me insight to why some folks just don’t care for Adam. With many untrained rock singers, when they perform live there is something raw, gutsy, uncontrolled and a little risky about their performance. One is never quite sure how the next note or phrase is going to sound. They also look like they are pouring every ounce of themselves into singing, leaving it all out on the floor for their audience. That is thrilling and exciting to watch. On the other hand, Adam’s singing is very precise, controlled and consistent. He meticulously hits every note fully, and with the same tone (unless he intentionally adds a squeeze or bit of grit). He maintains the tone and the intensity throughout his considerable range. He hits outrageously high notes, notes a classical tenor should never be able to sing, with aplomb and with less apparent effort than other singers sing the same note down an octave. “Tenor high C is my highest note? I scoff at your high note and raise you five steps!” All this while playing with Brian and the audience and joking about ripped pants. Perhaps some folks miss the danger and uncertainty of a balls-to-the-wall rock singer. For them, it may be like watching a tightrope walker perform three feet from the ground. Obviously, I find Adam’s voice and performances thrilling, amazing, beautiful and all-round wonderful. Still, I can understand why others may not. Different strokes for different folks. This turned into a long-assed post. Perhaps I should move it to the masterclass thread? |
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Post by 4Ms on Aug 12, 2012 11:22:38 GMT -5
I also think it is just fine to compare musicians. Many people prefer Freddie and think he was the superior singer of the two. Whenever I hear a superiorly trained opera singer perform pop, I usually find it cringeworthy. In that case, the opera singer is not better (to me) because they can't do the style justice. There are many singers with fabulous voices who are not classically/broadway trained or may have just a little training. Similarly, when I see actors in movies, I don't judge them on a sliding scale based on if they have professional training or acting degrees. I just say "x" is a better actor than "y". I don't say "x" has had extensive training so it's not fair to compare with "y". So, yes, enjoy singers/artists for their own merits. But it is a perfectly natural (and valid) human reaction to compare things. One can enjoy the trained and untrained. It's art; it's subjective; it's meant to entertain. Comparisons get made, and it's fine. , you brought up some interesting points. I think it is probably hardwired into humans to compare things. It must serve an important evolutionary purpose. It is remarkable to me that Adam seems NOT to automatically compare things. Witness his dislike of choosing favorites, or his praise for diverse singers and performers. Even his penchant for crossing and combining genres in his own music. I also agree with you about the success of highly trained opera singers attempting to sing pop/rock. I cringe when I hear it, too. It is another remarkable thing about Adam that he sings with classical technique but sounds so convincing in other genres; rock, pop, blues, funk, R&B. I have an old friend who is a choral director, musical theater performer/director and vocal teacher. I recently introduced him to Adam with little explanation (amazing that someone had NOT been aware of Adam and his incredible voice). I played the YT of Queenbert’s opening medley in London. My friend immediately recognized that Adam had a legitimate, highly trained voice and probably musical theater experience. When he pointed out all the reasons why he concluded that, it was OBVIOUS to me as well. Our discussion of Adam’s voice and performance gave me insight to why some folks just don’t care for Adam. With many untrained rock singers, when they perform live there is something raw, gutsy, uncontrolled and a little risky about their performance. One is never quite sure how the next note or phrase is going to sound. They also look like they are pouring every ounce of themselves into singing, leaving it all out on the floor for their audience. That is thrilling and exciting to watch. On the other hand, Adam’s singing is very precise, controlled and consistent. He meticulously hits every note fully, and with the same tone (unless he intentionally adds a squeeze or bit of grit). He maintains the tone and the intensity throughout his considerable range. He hits outrageously high notes, notes a classical tenor should never be able to sing, with aplomb and with less apparent effort than other singers sing the same note down an octave. “Tenor high C is my highest note? I scoff at your high note and raise you five steps!” All this while playing with Brian and the audience and joking about ripped pants. Perhaps some folks miss the danger and uncertainty of a balls-to-the-wall rock singer. For them, it may be like watching a tightrope walker perform three feet from the ground. Obviously, I find Adam’s voice and performances thrilling, amazing, beautiful and all-round wonderful. Still, I can understand why others may not. Different strokes for different folks. This turned into a long-assed post. Perhaps I should move it to the masterclass thread? Love, love, love your posts. Please leave it here and save it in the masterclass thread. |
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Post by BlackAndYellow on Aug 12, 2012 11:23:34 GMT -5
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Post by lisapf on Aug 12, 2012 11:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by SusieFierce on Aug 12, 2012 11:23:40 GMT -5
Hmm, Q3, interesting thought, but I can't imagine this at all. For a huge show such as Idol to do a dramatic makeover at this point, they need to commit to the new format and sell the new concept HARD. Branding. Branding. Branding.
To have a mishmash of judges would be disjointed and wishy washy at this point. These are the people who are the main cast of your show. Look at the way "The Voice" packages their judges? The commercials have been on constantly throughout the Olympics – They ARE the brand. They are the show.
They aren't selling the mystery of finding a new artist or showing possible contestants or even the chair thing. The advertising has been all about this unit of judges and THAT'S why people should watch. The judges are more consistent than the contestants (who come and go and haven't been chosen) so that's why they're the anchor for the show.
Ryan's schedule isn't going to allow him to carry this on his back. A strong, compelling team of judges will be their best sell, IMO.
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Post by tigerlily on Aug 12, 2012 11:24:50 GMT -5
I have just gotten here -- but I have been thinking about all the bits of info we have and Idol. 1. There are a lot of people who seem to be in line to be Idol judges - Pharrell, Nick Jonas (I think/hope not), Alanis Morresette, P. Ditty, Brad Paisley, more people from Nashville (no ID), Adam and I am sure there are others I forgot. Plus, Mariah. 2. Randy did an interview with a Las Vegas radio station on 8/10/12 where he seemed to NOT know what was going on. 3. FOX execs have said they will be changing up the show. 4. We have a bunch of hints, clues and whiffs of into that Adam and Pharrell will be busy in September. WHAT IF..... Fox is going to have a set of judges for September, and a difference set of judges for the main rounds. That would mean that they could have a broader range of judges, make the show more interesting. It would minimize the risk of new judges messing up the ratings. If also would be new and different without really screwing up what made the show a hit. The contestants. And finally, it give them a chance to see if they have any judges who rise to the top -- add a judges bench. >> Just a thought. Not based on anything. But I would like it because I could have my cake and eat it too. Adam on Idol -- but then free to tour next year with Queen (mini world tour) and for Trespassing (when the time in right). << They talked with just as many people in 2010. They won't have a different panel for judges rounds and the show. IMO, they are bringing in Pharrell to replace Randy, which is a good move. Now, they are trying to secure a country judge, which makes sense for the demographics of the show. They MIGHT be going to a four judge panel, which is Adam's best chance...UNLESS they are trying to find a "Demi-Disney" type judge for the fourth spot. This is where Nick (or someone like him) comes in. In other words, the suits at AI are trying to present a mash up of the judging panel from X-factor and The Voice. |
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Post by melliemom on Aug 12, 2012 11:25:48 GMT -5
okay, folks, here's my clearly 100% accurate interpretation of last night's twitter party ;D : 1) Adam, under some sort of gag-order (maybe by FOX), lets slip a little more than he means to at Japanese meet'n'greet 2) Adam needs to back-track, but not make it too obvious/attention-grabbing 3) Adam opens with a tweet about the cray to throw people off the scent 4) Adam attempts to bury his actual purpose in a twitter party 5) Adam casually issues a non-denial denial about September 6) Adam answers a whole lot of other silly questions, including sorta (not really) talking about the single, to distract us 7) Adam throws out a final shiny object in the pic of him as a Pretty Little Liar a) to send us one final distraction to fuss over, and b) to give us a little (we know how Adam loves his ;)s) to make up for all the pretty little lying he was doing about Sept. The whole thing really was expertly orchestrated. Far too well orchestrated, imo, to simply be a spur-of-the-moment twitter party about various stuff. That's my story and I'm sticking to it, and just to be clear I don't even care whether the big thing in Sept. is Idol or not--I'm just thrilled with the certainty that there's "something's coming--I don't know what it is but it is gonna be greeeeaaaate..." Thanks YAY :wub: West Side Story....so appropriate |
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