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Post by evergreen on Aug 12, 2012 11:25:56 GMT -5
I also think it is just fine to compare musicians. Many people prefer Freddie and think he was the superior singer of the two. Whenever I hear a superiorly trained opera singer perform pop, I usually find it cringeworthy. In that case, the opera singer is not better (to me) because they can't do the style justice. There are many singers with fabulous voices who are not classically/broadway trained or may have just a little training. Similarly, when I see actors in movies, I don't judge them on a sliding scale based on if they have professional training or acting degrees. I just say "x" is a better actor than "y". I don't say "x" has had extensive training so it's not fair to compare with "y". So, yes, enjoy singers/artists for their own merits. But it is a perfectly natural (and valid) human reaction to compare things. One can enjoy the trained and untrained. It's art; it's subjective; it's meant to entertain. Comparisons get made, and it's fine.  , you brought up some interesting points. I think it is probably hardwired into humans to compare things. It must serve an important evolutionary purpose. It is remarkable to me that Adam seems NOT to automatically compare things. Witness his dislike of choosing favorites, or his praise for diverse singers and performers. Even his penchant for crossing and combining genres in his own music. I also agree with you about the success of highly trained opera singers attempting to sing pop/rock. I cringe when I hear it, too. It is another remarkable thing about Adam that he sings with classical technique but sounds so convincing in other genres; rock, pop, blues, funk, R&B. I have an old friend who is a choral director, musical theater performer/director and vocal teacher. I recently introduced him to Adam with little explanation (amazing that someone had NOT been aware of Adam and his incredible voice). I played the YT of Queenbert’s opening medley in London. My friend immediately recognized that Adam had a legitimate, highly trained voice and probably musical theater experience. When he pointed out all the reasons why he concluded that, it was OBVIOUS to me as well. Our discussion of Adam’s voice and performance gave me insight to why some folks just don’t care for Adam. With many untrained rock singers, when they perform live there is something raw, gutsy, uncontrolled and a little risky about their performance. One is never quite sure how the next note or phrase is going to sound. They also look like they are pouring every ounce of themselves into singing, leaving it all out on the floor for their audience. That is thrilling and exciting to watch. On the other hand, Adam’s singing is very precise, controlled and consistent. He meticulously hits every note fully, and with the same tone (unless he intentionally adds a squeeze or bit of grit). He maintains the tone and the intensity throughout his considerable range. He hits outrageously high notes, notes a classical tenor should never be able to sing, with aplomb and with less apparent effort than other singers sing the same note down an octave. “Tenor high C is my highest note? I scoff at your high note and raise you five steps!” All this while playing with Brian and the audience and joking about ripped pants. Perhaps some folks miss the danger and uncertainty of a balls-to-the-wall rock singer. For them, it may be like watching a tightrope walker perform three feet from the ground. Obviously, I find Adam’s voice and performances thrilling, amazing, beautiful and all-round wonderful. Still, I can understand why others may not. Different strokes for different folks. This turned into a long-assed post. Perhaps I should move it to the masterclass thread? it to the Masterclass thread, but leave the original here! Your friend's analysis shows if/when Adam tires of pop, his options will still be wide open. He is going to be around a long time for us to love and enjoy, whatever genre he chooses. |
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Post by gelly14 on Aug 12, 2012 11:27:13 GMT -5
Adam started following a whole bunch of people today.
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Post by mszue on Aug 12, 2012 11:29:40 GMT -5
I have to say that I think this is his best look yet, for me....absolutely awesome conjoining of edgy and meticulous and flattering! I did not think he could look even more beautiful than in the cockatoo pics or the London/Scotland emo pics, but he may just have done that with this look...IMHO Re the condition of the hair, especially in that enlarged pic, the hair is not going to be really happy hair but the dullness we are seeing looks more like the wrong product use for an close pic...looks like hair wax dulling rather than using the morrocan oil or a pomade...he has strong hair and the area that would be the most damaged is that longer bit at the front...and it looks the best, plus, it was already bleached at the ends where the damage would have been most noticeable... |
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Post by evergreen on Aug 12, 2012 11:31:35 GMT -5
Do the people/pubs Adam started following have anything in common?
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Post by tigerlily on Aug 12, 2012 11:32:29 GMT -5
Adam started following a whole bunch of people today. Tom Daley @tomdaley1994I'm not a swimmer! I'm a diver!!! Haha This is random. I wonder if Adam has an Olympic crush on Tom Daly, like my DD now has? lol Tom Daly is a cutie!  |
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Post by savvy92 on Aug 12, 2012 11:34:56 GMT -5
I also think it is just fine to compare musicians. Many people prefer Freddie and think he was the superior singer of the two. Whenever I hear a superiorly trained opera singer perform pop, I usually find it cringeworthy. In that case, the opera singer is not better (to me) because they can't do the style justice. There are many singers with fabulous voices who are not classically/broadway trained or may have just a little training. Similarly, when I see actors in movies, I don't judge them on a sliding scale based on if they have professional training or acting degrees. I just say "x" is a better actor than "y". I don't say "x" has had extensive training so it's not fair to compare with "y". So, yes, enjoy singers/artists for their own merits. But it is a perfectly natural (and valid) human reaction to compare things. One can enjoy the trained and untrained. It's art; it's subjective; it's meant to entertain. Comparisons get made, and it's fine. , you brought up some interesting points. I think it is probably hardwired into humans to compare things. It must serve an important evolutionary purpose. It is remarkable to me that Adam seems NOT to automatically compare things. Witness his dislike of choosing favorites, or his praise for diverse singers and performers. Even his penchant for crossing and combining genres in his own music. I also agree with you about the success of highly trained opera singers attempting to sing pop/rock. I cringe when I hear it, too. It is another remarkable thing about Adam that he sings with classical technique but sounds so convincing in other genres; rock, pop, blues, funk, R&B. I have an old friend who is a choral director, musical theater performer/director and vocal teacher. I recently introduced him to Adam with little explanation (amazing that someone had NOT been aware of Adam and his incredible voice). I played the YT of Queenbert’s opening medley in London. My friend immediately recognized that Adam had a legitimate, highly trained voice and probably musical theater experience. When he pointed out all the reasons why he concluded that, it was OBVIOUS to me as well. Our discussion of Adam’s voice and performance gave me insight to why some folks just don’t care for Adam. With many untrained rock singers, when they perform live there is something raw, gutsy, uncontrolled and a little risky about their performance. One is never quite sure how the next note or phrase is going to sound. They also look like they are pouring every ounce of themselves into singing, leaving it all out on the floor for their audience. That is thrilling and exciting to watch. On the other hand, Adam’s singing is very precise, controlled and consistent. He meticulously hits every note fully, and with the same tone (unless he intentionally adds a squeeze or bit of grit). He maintains the tone and the intensity throughout his considerable range. He hits outrageously high notes, notes a classical tenor should never be able to sing, with aplomb and with less apparent effort than other singers sing the same note down an octave. “Tenor high C is my highest note? I scoff at your high note and raise you five steps!” All this while playing with Brian and the audience and joking about ripped pants. Perhaps some folks miss the danger and uncertainty of a balls-to-the-wall rock singer. For them, it may be like watching a tightrope walker perform three feet from the ground. Obviously, I find Adam’s voice and performances thrilling, amazing, beautiful and all-round wonderful. Still, I can understand why others may not. Different strokes for different folks. This turned into a long-assed post. Perhaps I should move it to the masterclass thread? I understand exactly what you are saying, Cassie, and I guess it's different strokes... I, personally, LOVE that when Adam walks on stage, I know he is going to be fabulous. The only worry I felt with the Queen performances was that he was going to forget the words and since everyone knows every word of their songs, ugh. With his songs, he just improvises, hums, something to get him to the next place he can jump in. It's almost fun, just a tiny chink in his armor. Music, like all art, is such a subjective thing. You can have two equally intelligent friends, yet one will sit on the beach reading Danielle Steele and the other WAR AND PEACE. One will be listening to Eminem, the other to Adam. One will race home from work to watch National Geographic, the other The Kardashians. Politics and religion can be pulled into this same discussion. I have to shut my mouth 10 times a day when a social/political issue comes up and the "are you KIDDING me!" is left hanging unspoken. I have given up trying to use logic as a tool, it doesn't work any better than a dull blade. |
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Post by koshka on Aug 12, 2012 11:40:56 GMT -5
Hmm, Q3, interesting thought, but I can't imagine this at all. For a huge show such as Idol to do a dramatic makeover at this point, they need to commit to the new format and sell the new concept HARD. Branding. Branding. Branding. To have a mishmash of judges would be disjointed and wishy washy at this point. These are the people who are the main cast of your show. Look at the way "The Voice" packages their judges? The commercials have been on constantly throughout the Olympics – They ARE the brand. They are the show. They aren't selling the mystery of finding a new artist or showing possible contestants or even the chair thing. The advertising has been all about this unit of judges and THAT'S why people should watch. The judges are more consistent than the contestants (who come and go and haven't been chosen) so that's why they're the anchor for the show. Ryan's schedule isn't going to allow him to carry this on his back. A strong, compelling team of judges will be their best sell, IMO. The thing that drives me batty, is the talk of dumping Randy without a seemingly good bad up plan.  Before you all start throwing tomatoes at me.. hear me out. Yo dawg!, I can't stand Randy, but the show needs some sort of continuity. When JLo and Steven came on board it took a good number of episodes until they looked like they knew what they were doing. Yo Dawg, was right there trying to take charge. I remember sitting and laughing that Randy was getting all Simon. Even though he looked silly, he was at least steering the panel and taking charge. Ryan is good at his job, but he can't hold together the judges panel. When the lights are off him, he needs to stand in the shadows. He can sort of guide them with questions, although at this point the focus is off him. Fox Executive and AI producers would be foolish not to bring in someone who has some familiarity with the show and how it runs. Any well known prior contestant or reoccurring mentor would be great. In addition to Adam, Melinda Doolittle or Jennifer Hudson (scratch that.. she annoys me to all hell with those weight watchers commercials - I'm done with her) might be good fits. The other big former contestants either burned that bridge (Kelly) or is just not interest/right fit. I think they'd be dumb to pass on Adam.. however we've known the producers to make down right stupid decisions. So who knows at this point. I'm honestly inclined to think he is not on board and I think they are making a mistake. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 11:46:04 GMT -5
okay, folks, here's my clearly 100% accurate interpretation of last night's twitter party ;D : 1) Adam, under some sort of gag-order (maybe by FOX), lets slip a little more than he means to at Japanese meet'n'greet 2) Adam needs to back-track, but not make it too obvious/attention-grabbing 3) Adam opens with a tweet about the cray to throw people off the scent 4) Adam attempts to bury his actual purpose in a twitter party 5) Adam casually issues a non-denial denial about September 6) Adam answers a whole lot of other silly questions, including sorta (not really) talking about the single, to distract us 7) Adam throws out a final shiny object in the pic of him as a Pretty Little Liar a) to send us one final distraction to fuss over, and b) to give us a little (we know how Adam loves his ;)s) to make up for all the pretty little lying he was doing about Sept. The whole thing really was expertly orchestrated. Far too well orchestrated, imo, to simply be a spur-of-the-moment twitter party about various stuff. That's my story and I'm sticking to it, and just to be clear I don't even care whether the big thing in Sept. is Idol or not--I'm just thrilled with the certainty that there's "something's coming--I don't know what it is but it is gonna be greeeeaaaate..."  |
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Post by Q3 on Aug 12, 2012 11:49:21 GMT -5
Back to feeling slightly more optimistic this morning With a new single coming out, fall TV starting up, and an actual presence in the US for more than a couple weeks, he should not have a completely empty schedule for Sept/Oct. Something is up But, Adam is the master at the "non-denial" He is smart on the business side, and it would make no sense to outright shut-down all talk until you absolutely have to. Even with the Olympics (and he obviously isn't going to be there) did he ever say, "Guys, I am not singing at the Olympics with Queen." Wasn't it always, "I think you have to be British..." But, can someone please clarify for me---what was the source of the "secret job" talk in the first place? Was this something people actually heard Adam say at the M&G? Or, did it come just from an article translation? eta---LOVE the new tattoo To my understanding, somebody who was in M&G heard him say something, then told about it in Japanese blog, and then that was translated again into English. Outcome was "a new job", but what Adam tweeted was that he had "new stuff". Lost in translation with broken English ... Just to correct this sequence.... About 40 fans went to a M&G at Sony Tokyo office. Adam said something. A online new report quoted/paraphrased what a fan said. www.nikkansports.com/entertainment/news/f-et-tp0-20120811-999212.htmlBing and Google translations of the quote are a bit nonsensical: @bani (a Japanese Adam fan who has been very reliable) Tweeted the link and translated. @bani then talked to a fan who was there and tweeted what that fan said. <Questioning and speculation ensues> <Quote from original article is copied to other Japanese online sites in Japanese> Then Adam tweets his tweet in last night's night's Twitter party. **** It seems to me that Adam at least said he was going to be very busy in September and told fans something about look forward to it. And his calendar is empty in September. Count me on the Adam doing "damage control" team. |
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Post by bullsfan on Aug 12, 2012 11:52:37 GMT -5
The twitter party was a whole bunch of pretty vague chit-chat. I was 50/50 after that. More damaging to my Idol hopes was that tweet before. He basically said that the "secret job" was nothing more than messed-up translation. He pretty much shot that whole quote down.
And as I said, of course we know he was doing damage control. We just don't know which "damage" he was trying to control.
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