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Post by maria1 on Dec 3, 2012 15:08:42 GMT -5
Good gawd. Symantics are unimportant. Why are we getting worked up on the words people use and not the message they are trying to express.? I know the world is frustrating but nobody here needs a lecture on accepting a gay man. Aren't we all pretty much on the same side? People are trying to express the message by using words. Others are trying to clarify the message behind the words by asking questions. People understand the words on different ways; some on such a way that it bothers them. In today's discussion I think some people (not me necessarily) are also wondering if we all indeed are "on the same side" when it comes to some quite important topics. This because words are being understood on different ways. So words indeed are important. |
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Post by lulu1265 on Dec 3, 2012 15:09:01 GMT -5
Seriously?  Okay, time-out for me. MTE LOL So when a gay guy is more feminine is a farce? Johnny IS feminine. That's who he is. Other gays are masculine . So if Adam will act someday in a more feminine way it will be a farce? All righty then.... I have to say I am offended by this post . Offended for all the gay guys. And probably my post will get banned but I HAVE to say how I feel. Gelly I totally agree with you and I think it would offend Adam as well. Adam has gotten this as well, too gay or not gay enough, can't win either way. |
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Post by augenpoesie on Dec 3, 2012 15:09:02 GMT -5
 Actually I forgot that I edited the same picture before *sigh*. :  Seems I'm getting old ;D But then - the result looks way different! ;D |
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Post by kathleenpf on Dec 3, 2012 15:09:37 GMT -5
Good gawd. Symantics are unimportant. Why are we getting worked up on the words people use and not the message they are trying to express.? I know the world is frustrating but nobody here needs a lecture on accepting a gay man. Aren't we all pretty much on the same side? I understand what you're getting at but when someone says something like "Johnny dances like a girl and makes me cringe" should we just keep our mouths shut and say nothing? Or say, oh that's perfectly fine because it's an Atop poster and coming from a good place? Again, if we don't say anything, then we are condoning language that in my point of view is offensive. How is anyone going to learn anything if we all keep our mouths shut when we see bigotry whether intentional or not :-/ |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 15:11:15 GMT -5
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Post by murly on Dec 3, 2012 15:12:11 GMT -5
Those words hit me like a two-by-four to my head. Gay people have to adjust to the realization that they are not like most of their peers. That much of society looks upon them with disapproval. That they can be discriminated against, and even beaten or killed, because of their sexual identity. What could be more uncomfortable than that? And who was I to feel that everyone had to adjust to my comfort level? gay people are no different than you or I except insomuch as they are sexually attracted to members of the same sex whereas (I assume) we are attracted to members of the opposite sex. They love, hate, get angry, hope, fear, dream. They have great relationships with their friends and family, they shitty relationships with their friends and family. They work, they don't, they are alcoholics, druggies, straight edge, and in between. They are tall, short, fat, thin, poor spellers, English professors, they are math geeks and they can't do math with a calculator. what I'm saying is that they gay community is part of the human community and the bias and ignorance will never cease until people stop looking at sexuality as the defining characteristic of a person rather than just a genetic happenstance of birth (much like eye color). They aren't different than their peers ...they are exactly the same...in all the ways that truly matter.
Well, obviously I know all that. When I said they were different than their peers, I was referring specifically to that moment that Adam has described when he realized that he was attracted to boys and not girls. I have heard several gay people say that they felt uncomfortable and even scared when it occurred to them that they differed from their peer group in that aspect. I believe Adam used the word "horrified."
Let's be realistic--there's no way, in our current society, that a gay child would be able to shrug that off and take comfort in knowing that they're the same in the ways you describe. Of course they are, but their sexuality is what has the potential to get them ridiculed, ostracized, and bullied. It's a big deal. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 15:15:43 GMT -5
Let's be realistic--there's no way, in our current society, that a gay child would be able to shrug that off and take comfort in knowing that they're the same in the ways you describe. Worked for me  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 15:16:22 GMT -5
Actually I forgot that I edited the same picture before *sigh*. : Seems I'm getting old ;D But then - the result looks way different! ;D Your forgetfulness plays to my advantage  I sigh too, for very different reasons ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 15:16:43 GMT -5
Watch re stereotyping being embraced. Starts at 30 sec mark. If you scroll thru comments, Brad responds to the conversation re the meaning of these words.
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Post by Albiku on Dec 3, 2012 15:16:48 GMT -5
Good gawd. Symantics are unimportant. Why are we getting worked up on the words people use and not the message they are trying to express.? I know the world is frustrating but nobody here needs a lecture on accepting a gay man. Aren't we all pretty much on the same side? I understand what you're getting at but when someone says something like "Johnny dances like a girl and makes me cringe" should we just keep our mouths shut and say nothing? Or say, oh that's perfectly fine because it's an Atop poster and coming from a good place? Again, if we don't say anything, then we are condoning language that in my point of view is offensive. How is anyone going to learn anything if we all keep our mouths shut when we see bigotry whether intentional or not :-/ I'm not Kay, but the way I understood her post, she wasn't talking about the Johnny comment. She was talking about the way some people were telling pretty amazing and beautiful stories about changing their minds from bigotry to acceptance, and still some other people were correcting the semantics and getting worked up over some part of the comments that weren't even slightly about the intended message of the author. Correct me if I'm wrong, Kay, but that's the way I understood it. |
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