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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 15:40:03 GMT -5
New flash -- the US Supreme Count has decided that they will hear both of the Gay Marriage cases -- DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) and CA Prop 8. The Prop 8 case (this is the more important one) could decided if States can ban Gay Marriage. They could just rule on California's action OR could take up the broader issue of all 38 states with bans. Is this good or bad #uncivilizedmoron it's good that they are hearing both cases. DOMA is the Defense of Marriage Act signed by Clinton - Obama stopped the Attorney General fromd defending it from parties who have filed suit on it's constitutionality. Prop 8 is an amendment passed in CA banning same sex marriage AFTER same sex marriage had been approved. If Prop 8 is overturned an unconstitutional it will set a precendent for other states against putting constitutional amendments banning same sex marriage. However, I think it's a much bigger deal if DOMA is struck down as that is on the federal level and allows states to deny recognition of same sex marriages from other states where it is legal. It also allows benefits to be denied to same sex couples such as health benefits and death benefits. |
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Post by wal on Dec 7, 2012 15:44:52 GMT -5
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Post by Q3 on Dec 7, 2012 15:46:47 GMT -5
New flash -- the US Supreme Count has decided that they will hear both of the Gay Marriage cases -- DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) and CA Prop 8. The Prop 8 case (this is the more important one) could decided if States can ban Gay Marriage. They could just rule on California's action OR could take up the broader issue of all 38 states with bans. This is a little scary with Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts on the bench. I am hoping that Roberts will not want his court to be on the wrong side of history and will vote for equal rights. It will almost certainly be 4 Conservatives (above) against -- Roberts the only possible swing vote of those 4 but very likely he is against gay marriage, 4 Liberals for with Ginsberg a bit of a question, and Kennedy in the middle. There is some indication that Kennedy could end up supporting gay marriage. Kennedy is a Catholic appointed by President Ronald Reagan, so one might predict he'd be hostile to claims of gay marriage. Kennedy, however, voted in favor of equality in the Supreme Court's two biggest gay rights cases of the past twenty years, Romer v. Evans and Lawrence v. Texas. The first case, from 1996, overturned a Colorado law that barred cities like Denver and Aspen from enacting anti-discrimination protections for gays and lesbians. The second, from 2003, struck down a Texas ban on same-sex sodomy among consenting adults. The opinions in both cases were written by Kennedy.
Yet, even for Kennedy, gay marriage may be a bridge too far. And Olson and Boies' case, despite being carefully and strategically crafted to goad the Supreme Court into ruling on the constitutionality of gay marriage nationwide, has a number of escape routes for Roberts and Kennedy.Link to article and more info: www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-winkler/will-the-supreme-court-up_b_2259342.html There are countless ways this can end but because at least 4 justices had to support hearing this case, it is likely that a least 4 justices are opposed to Gay Marriage. I hope it is just 4.  ETA: The DOMA case is about Section 3 -- not the entire act. But the justices could rule on this in a broad way. (edited by Q3 for clarity) DOMA defines marriage as the legal union of one man and one woman for federal and inter-state recognition purposes in the United States. Under federal law, specifically Section 3 of the Defence of Marriage Act, benefits of marriage can only go to opposite sex couples regardless of state law. Section 3 covers specific issues and marriage rights -- including bankruptcy, public employee benefits, estate taxes, and immigration. Simultaneously, justices also agreed to consider challenges to the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which blocks gay married couples from receiving a host of federal benefits.
Meeting in a private session Friday morning, justices had to pick and choose among 10 different appeals that deal in some fashion with same-sex marriage. Eight of the appeals cases challenged the federal Defense of Marriage Act, which shuts out federal benefits for same-sex couples. One appeal involved an Arizona law on benefits for state workers, and one dealt with California's Proposition 8.Read more here: blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2012/12/supreme-court-to-hear-doma-and-prop-8-gay-marriage-cases.html#storylink=cpy |
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Post by wal on Dec 7, 2012 15:52:39 GMT -5
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Post by hermeticallysealed on Dec 7, 2012 15:57:22 GMT -5
From what I have heard from some lawyers, the Prop 8 case is based more on whether or not they agree with Walker's ruling than on the law itself. Walker's ruling was extremely focused on whether the law was constitutional under California law, rather than federal, so any ruling passed on it by SCOTUS is very unlikely to be useable on a national scale. It could be, it's just wouldn't be easy. DOMA on the otherhand . . .
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Post by wal on Dec 7, 2012 16:04:18 GMT -5
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Post by murly on Dec 7, 2012 16:15:01 GMT -5
Besides "tradition," I can't think of any legal argument against marriage equality. And tradition really isn't a legal argument. That's not to say that this Supreme Court won't come up with some bizarre excuse for denying it, but it's hard to imagine what they might say.
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Post by LindaG23 on Dec 7, 2012 16:16:43 GMT -5
Soledad O'BrienVerified@soledad_OBrien"@suesartistry: @soledad_OBrien This morning u said Adam Lambert will be on with you. Can you please tell me when? Thanks!"/ on monday's showSoledad O'Brien @soledad_OBrien I anchor CNN’s Starting Point airing 7aET weekdays. In my free time, I host docs: Black in America & Latino in America. RTs ≠ endorsements. New York · CNN.com This does not say Adam will be on. The Starting Point at 7aET is her twitter bio. I don't see a response to SuesArtistry on her twitter. Is there some other confirmation? |
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Post by revlisacat on Dec 7, 2012 16:18:27 GMT -5
Yay! Adam loves that photo as much as I...er...we do! :Clap: |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2012 16:21:52 GMT -5
Besides "tradition," I can't think of any legal argument against marriage equality. And tradition really isn't a legal argument. That's not to say that this Supreme Court won't come up with some bizarre excuse for denying it, but it's hard to imagine what they might say. They might choose to rule on a very narrow legal basis rather than issue a sweeping ruling, essentially kicking the can down the road for another day. Here is a great site showing the history of the legalization of interracial marriage and possible parallels with gay marriage: www.filibustercartoons.com/marriage.htm |
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