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Post by Craazyforadam on Dec 14, 2012 12:36:03 GMT -5
From jo's post from yesterday I think Adam's voice with the Queen music is otherwordly and I can't get enough. I've often gone over, in my head, what would have sent Adam into the stratosphere after idol and I do believe it would have happened had he done things right from the start. His first mistake was the AMA's and then the album cover. I think Adam was not realizing that his voice alone is what people wanted from him. I remember Barry Manilow saying that if he had just sat there (at the AMA's) and sang a great song (WWFM would have worked), he would have blown the roof off the place and I think he was right. If he had done that and then followed with the voice front and center instead of the OT stuff being front and center, I think he would be huge right now. This would make Adam a Buble 2.0 I will be forever grateful to both Adam as well as the universe at large that Adam did not go down that path. As far as commercial success this may have worked for one or two albums, I agree. It sure worked for Clay Aiken for a while. But there are two things that are certain to me about this scenario. I probably would not be a fan of his today (never was a CA fan either) and interestingly those parts of my family who don't care for Adam now, would not be either. I think it is fair to say that Adam has foregone some revenue by staying true to himself, and he had to be brave on top of it, because he had to deal with the resulting controversy too. I sometimes think of the AMAs as a medicine that the US needed to take, but did not know it needed. In fact, they assumed it was poisonous, that it would spoil their little children. When it didn't, and the world did not come to a grinding halt as predicted, they reluctently learned to accept it, and the whole nation was pushed one step closer to open and natural interaction between gay and straight. Not only did this couple on the Amazing Race give each other a kiss like any other couple would, very much to the applause to the other couples around and clearly without giving the producers nightmares about whether to pixel out such pictures or not, the whole country did not have a meltdown anymore either. America has taken its medicine and now can stomach what they assumed they could not. The open display of physical affection of gay men. The fact that in one blog this couple actually traced their kiss back to Adam's four years ago, shows how much difference Adam has made. I am very proud of him for that and I am tbh appreciative to RCA for standing by him at that time, because they are carrying the price for that too. As much as I critique them for some things that happened since then roll-out wise and just in ways of professionalism and simple management, they did stand by Adam in that important time. I am glad Adam did not become Buble 2.0 That is why I think it is a balancing act, because he needs to stay true to himself and yet have market considerations in mind. During AMA he did not think about market, he just acted from his heart and probably stepped further than his career allowed. But he stepped exactly where America needed to be taken and in the end, as far as his career goes, I think that is our role in all this crazy circus that has become the Glambert world. When he steps too far for average America, we are here to ensure that he lands softly and that his career keeps going, no matter what those haters say. It is a very different career path than Buble 2.0, but a much more worthy one. PS: I know that Adam's voice is more than just 'the next Buble', believe me, I know, this just was not the point of my post. Hope you understand. ETA: Fixed my quote |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Dec 14, 2012 12:37:34 GMT -5
I am not going to re-post all the quotes and I certainly don't want to spend all day talking about the AMA's but I will say this, I doubt that the AMA's would have had Adam perform in the pimp spot no less if he had "played it safe". I know many of you think it was a big mistake, I didn't think so. Also, Adam is quirky, "I'm a freak" as the song goes. He is, and always has, been true to himself and who he is. I don't want him to change that and I don't think he ever will. One of the best things about Adam is he never does anything the same way so we will always get something new from him, and that is exciting. He will never bore us with putting out the same type of material over and over again. I understand what you are saying, but Adam's AMA performance WAS NOT the rehearsed choreographed and approved performance. He added a few - uh - "touches" of his own that probably would have been best left undone - especially the finger at the end. He did say later that he got carried away by adrenalin and went too far. Ya think Adam?  Water under the bridge, tho. 8-) ETA-Slapdash LaRue-what is the response at the feed store when you talk about Adam? ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 12:39:24 GMT -5
I am not going to re-post all the quotes and I certainly don't want to spend all day talking about the AMA's but I will say this, I doubt that the AMA's would have had Adam perform in the pimp spot no less if he had "played it safe". I know many of you think it was a big mistake, I didn't think so.
Also, Adam is quirky, "I'm a freak" as the song goes. He is, and always has, been true to himself and who he is. I don't want him to change that and I don't think he ever will.
One of the best things about Adam is he never does anything the same way so we will always get something new from him, and that is exciting. He will never bore us with putting out the same type of material over and over again. Thank you. |
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Post by jean1010 on Dec 14, 2012 12:39:50 GMT -5
Last night there was some discussion about Adam being wild on the thread that was discussion Jo's (welcome, by the way). I think like a lot of young guys Adam has sowed his wild oats without a doubt. Also, because of the subculture in which he is apart i.e. artists, entertainers, designers many of whom are gay, his external presentation is can appear flamboyant or wild. On the other hand, in many ways his life has not been wild at all. He has always had the discipline to hold down a job for example. He reminds me of my son who is just a little younger than Adam. He partied very hard to say the least and would have been considered wild to an outside observer. On the other hand he always kept his grades up and held a part time job while at UC. Now that he is pushing 30 he is leaving a lot of this wild behavior behind as is Adam I think. His friends that I considered really wild did none of these things and in addition a few of them are in the criminal justice system now.
Of course, without a doubt he can appear very wild on stage.
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Post by maddie509 on Dec 14, 2012 12:44:20 GMT -5
AMA is not a mistake by any measures! It's what got him first noticed internationally, especially in Europe and other western markets without it, he would have been just another preconceived boring whitebread American talent show runner-up! It's what ultimately led him to his int'l fame and his int'l career!! But If you wanted a David Cook, then yes! it was a huge mistake but we all know what happened to Cook...(no diss to David Cook here, he's doing his own thing and I think he's a rather good singer.)
AND, A POST WORTH REPEATING: :Clap: :Clap:
Wow, what a first post! I see your point, and don't know that I disagree with it. Certainly the majority of the American public who watch Idol are most comfortable with the cute guy next door who strums a guitar and sings love songs to his girlfriend. Extra points are awarded if he also is involved in his church music ministry and/or has a sob story. After all, that's the guy they voted for for the past five years straight. It is entirely possible that Adam would have become an even bigger star with number one singles on radio if he had taken that vanilla route.
Only one problem with that: it isn't who Adam is. As he said in an interview quoted recently, compared to his life prior to Idol, the things he did since Idol that were deemed "controversial" were nothin'. Warm up acts. He hasn't been that "apple-pie Adam" with red hair and a buzz cut since he was in high school. He's been a neo-hippie, a flower child, a sleazy Studio 54 club kid, a counter-culture standout in platform glitter boots, green body paint, and crazy make-up. Playing it straight and narrow during "The Ten Commandments" drove him crazy.
Adam is a wild child. Probably wilder than some of us even imagine. He played nice and conventional in musical theater for many years until that wild child, that creative alien just had to break free and express himself. It is not surprising that he has not been embraced by the masses. SHOULD he have been "safer" and more conventional coming off Idol? In terms of record sales and acceptability on radio etc, perhaps. In terms of being his outrageous self, not so much. I think he tried his best at the beginning of the TP era. He released two "safe", acceptable singles. He ditched most of the make-up and toned down the fashion claiming he was into a more organic look and feel. He played the game. Until he couldn't any more. Gradually, we saw the "crazy" OTT Adam re-emerge until we have him in wonderful make-up, edgy fashion, yellow and black TP costumes, fringe for days, and male dancers in Big Bird Yellow Afro wigs.
That's who we stan. Who we love. Aren't we lucky to be able to appreciate, celebrate, smile, laugh and drool over such an exceptional and unique artist?
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Post by melliemom on Dec 14, 2012 12:47:59 GMT -5
From jo's post from yesterday I think Adam's voice with the Queen music is otherwordly and I can't get enough. I've often gone over, in my head, what would have sent Adam into the stratosphere after idol and I do believe it would have happened had he done things right from the start. His first mistake was the AMA's and then the album cover. I think Adam was not realizing that his voice alone is what people wanted from him. I remember Barry Manilow saying that if he had just sat there (at the AMA's) and sang a great song (WWFM would have worked), he would have blown the roof off the place and I think he was right. If he had done that and then followed with the voice front and center instead of the OT stuff being front and center, I think he would be huge right now. This would make Adam a Buble 2.0 I will be forever grateful to both Adam as well as the universe at large that Adam did not go down that path. As far as commercial success this may have worked for one or two albums, I agree. It sure worked for Clay Aiken for a while. But there are two things that are certain to me about this scenario. I probably would not be a fan of his today (never was a CA fan either) and interestingly those parts of my family who don't care for Adam now, would not be either. I think it is fair to say that Adam has foregone some revenue by staying true to himself, and he had to be brave on top of it, because he had to deal with the resulting controversy too. I sometimes think of the AMAs as a medicine that the US needed to take, but did not know it needed. In fact, they assumed it was poisonous, that it would spoil their little children. When it didn't, and the world did not come to a grinding halt as predicted, they reluctently learned to accept it, and the whole nation was pushed one step closer to open and natural interaction between gay and straight. Not only did this couple on the Amazing Race give each other a kiss like any other couple would, very much to the applause to the other couples around and clearly without giving the producers nightmares about whether to pixel out such pictures or not, the whole country did not have a meltdown anymore either. America has taken its medicine and now can stomach what they assumed they could not. The open display of physical affection of gay men. The fact that in one blog this couple actually traced their kiss back to Adam's four years ago, shows how much difference Adam has made. I am very proud of him for that and I am tbh appreciative to RCA for standing by him at that time, because they are carrying the price for that too. As much as I critique them for some things that happened since then roll-out wise and just in ways of professionalism and simple management, they did stand by Adam in that important time. I am glad Adam did not become Buble 2.0 That is why I think it is a balancing act, because he needs to stay true to himself and yet have market considerations in mind. During AMA he did not think about market, he just acted from his heart and probably stepped further than his career allowed. But he stepped exactly where America needed to be taken and in the end, as far as his career goes, I think that is our role in all this crazy circus that has become the Glambert world. When he steps too far for average America, we are here to ensure that he lands softly and that his career keeps going, no matter what those haters say. It is a very different career path than Buble 2.0, but a much more worthy one. PS: I know that Adam's voice is more than just 'the next Buble', believe me, I know, this just was not the point of my post. Hope you understand. ETA: Fixed my quote YES,YES and YES.... beautifully expressed and IMHO right on target |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 13:05:48 GMT -5
I know that there are not so many country fans here, but I wanted to bring up Garth Brooks. Some of you might not know, but Garth Brooks is the best-selling album artist of the Soundscan era (1991-). And the the second biggest seller of all time, behind only Elvis Presley (The Beatles are third). His sales were astonishing. One of his albums is 21x platinum. He filled entire stadiums with his rock-style show, which included smashing guitars and flying.
Brooks retired in 2001 because he was miserable. The point is not to get into Brooks's bio, but essentially he hated his own music. It turned out that what Brooks really wanted was to be a Dan Fogelberg style singer-songwriter. He tried to push the boundaries of what his fans would accept (particularly with the single "We Shall Be Free" in 1992, which included a call for gay rights).
Over time Brooks developed an elaborate alter ego named Chris Gaines, a shaggy, soulful crooner. In 1999 he even released an album as Chris Gaines, to the utter bewilderment of his fans.
Brooks now performs occasionally. This is the story of a clever, gifted man who had explosive success and finally had to flee from it. At least he had the sense to do it. For another example: visit the graveyard at Graceland.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 13:06:43 GMT -5
I don't have a great way with words like Cassie and others on this board, but my impression of the AMA performance is that it was a pivotal point both in Adams career and in Americas growth. I remember standing and watching the show with my hands clasped to my mouth. (also remember cursing the screen when he did not win). The content of his performance was interesting and I didn't think shocking, hey I had just watched the rest of the AMA show! My only adverse reaction was to the anger he showed, but that is a personal response to anger not Adam. Armchair quarterbacking is always fun, all the what ifs.
So I will use someone else for the words. Bob Dylan. The Times They Are A Changing
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who that it's namin'.
'Cause the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Dec 14, 2012 13:09:12 GMT -5
Some have mentioned the Madonna-other female kiss. I wonder how it would have gone for her if she had pulled another female's face into her crotch.
Maybe Adam's kiss alone would have not created such an uproar without the male crotch smoosh - or the finger. I literally jumped back when that finger came up so unexpectedly. YIKES.
I know some think that was the most wonderful performance ever and will never change their minds.
I agree with Adam that it went too far and will never change my mind. And so it goes.
How things might have been different we will never know but interesting to ponder over. 8-)
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And I don't think the choice is either be David Cook OR be Adam Lambert. Adam Lambert will never be a David Cook even without that AMA performance so, respectfully, I don't think that is a valid argument/comparison. :-/
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