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Post by adamrocks on Mar 19, 2013 11:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by JazzRocks on Mar 19, 2013 11:22:49 GMT -5
His reception throughout this WAG tour has been phenomenal and I don't think St P will be any different. I'm really happy with the way the entire thing has turned out and I'm sorry to see it end. Much much better than doing a few shows here in the US with many of the same fans attending. Time enough for a major tour after album #3.
PLUS - we got all those amazing videos and photos!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2013 11:25:30 GMT -5
It's no matter whether he will sing OOL or not. People like Milonov always find something to stir up controversy - Adam will smile to someone on the street and it will be enough for them. If Milonov really want to harm Adam's concert he will find the way. That's why this is important to show him that he can't do whatever he want to do. He probably will not understand what this is all about, but this is important for fans to feel connected, to show some kind of resistance - OOL can be some kind of anthem for them. Yes I agree ,but I will wait to show resistance and will connect with fans when Adam has left the country.. No Twitter campaign for me at this point.. Too much history with Russia and I know what bigots can do. It's not a fuckin twitter "campaign!" It's tweeting the You Tubes of his performance like we always do! |
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Post by ayleim on Mar 19, 2013 11:26:01 GMT -5
Sorry to post and run... Just a quick comment on OOL in an anti-gay environment.... is there anything explicitly stated in the lyrics that indicate it refers specifically to the LGBT community? I mean, I know that's sorta who it's aimed at, but could it just as easily refer to Romeo and Juliet? Inter-racial/inter-religious relationships? Generalised hostility towards certain pairings of that sort?  We know what every song is "really" about because we stan Adam and read everything he says. Pretty much every song on the album can be interpreted many ways (even Shady.) He has also said in interviews, that OOL can be about any forbidden relationship. And in 3 concerts on this tour, he has called it about being different and weird and unaccepted in general. So while I fully expect Adam to sing OOl here, I do not think it will be interpreted or be in anyway dangerous or controversial for him, or against their law. I am going to request that everyone who is on Twitter, tweet the link to a good You Tube of OOL in St Petersburg though.  Thank you for the very detailed reply Q3... there were a couple of things I didn't know - including the reference in the title " OUTlaws of love" (excuse the eye-roll here  ). When he debuted the song in Quebec, I had just been introduced to his singing and wasn't really a fan - I was sort of aware that being gay posed problems for him, but what he said that day made me think a little more carefully and dig a little deeper into it. But as mys*&@^#r50 said, non-fans who don't get that context from what Adam said, might not link it to the gay community. The lyrics, in and of themselves, do not have any obvious references to same-sex relationships (that I can tell, anyway). Just.... relationships. I was wondering whether I had mis-remembered him saying that it could be about any forbidden relationship, and I'm relieved that mys*&@^#r50 recalls that comment too. So there's nothing their law can take issue with there (on the surface at least). (Rant warning) It REALLY gets my goat that OOL get singled out by the authorities for having gay references. The sheer homophobia on display by some governments is bad enough, but then they read only what they want to from such a poignant song, and brand it as introducing "mature themes". (I'm still seething at my own government at for that one - advisory 16 rating for Shady and OOL..... gah!) It's not that uncommon, surely, to personally know of a couple who faces censure from family and community just for being together. Had a Chinese friend who married a caucasian man years ago - her family pretty much disowned her as a result. OOL applies perfectly - and having seen it happen to people you know, it's less of a stretch to imagine what a gay couple might face. Officialdom lumping OOL as a gay anthem makes it easier for some to dismiss the song's emotion as what "gays, not normal people" experience. Just needed to get this off my chest.
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I'm sure Adam will be fine in St. Petersberg - and hungrily awaiting ALL the goodies in store for us in Helsinki! We want lots and lots of recaps from you guys who are going and meeting up! :D |
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Post by adamrocks on Mar 19, 2013 11:32:42 GMT -5
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Post by savvy92 on Mar 19, 2013 11:34:36 GMT -5
I have visited Moscow and Leningrad (as St. Petersburg was then known) and had an amazing and educational time, but was extremely aware of being in a police state. Police and military everywhere. My sister and I were stopped and harassed by soldiers in Moscow, who demanded to see our papers and then laughed at us and pushed us around a little. Everyone in our group was forced to turn in their passports upon arrival in Russia and they were not returned until the day we left. I don't think anything will happen either, but at the same time I will be glad when Adam and the glamily touch down on free Finnish soil. Yes we had to leave our passports too.. pretty scary. Our friends who traveled the world for almost two years ,said they were the most fearful in Russia. I say" Let Sleeping Dogs Lie" for the time being. I agree. There's a lot to be said for going with the flow, as Adam did in Malaysia. The concert is for his fans, not to make a political statement. As with everything else in life, you pick your battles, of course, poor microphone will have to wait for Helsinki for little more action, I fear. |
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Post by adamrocks on Mar 19, 2013 11:34:56 GMT -5
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Post by belle on Mar 19, 2013 11:35:52 GMT -5
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Post by bobo on Mar 19, 2013 11:36:15 GMT -5
Ok, so I wont supply percentages since I don't want to be inaccurate (or have the time to look figures up) but Adam is in a place where he, as an openly gay man, is seen as criminal, immoral, a danger to society, and mentally inbalanced, by the government and a large majority of the citizens. On top of just being himself, he will stand on a stage and sing Fever with a male pronoun, he will sing OOL which he is on record for saying is about gay rights. What part of that sounds 100% safe? I think he will be fine but, for sure he is making a statement by being there and there are risks to that from those that want to make an opposing statement. I applaud Adam for taking the risk, but the consequences are really out of his hands. That's what I don't like. this isn't his first time in Russia. Why is everyone freaking out? He just performed in Moscow without incident.....what has got everyone's knickers in a twist just because he traveled to another city in Russia? There are different laws in St Petersburg and Moscow. |
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Post by Albiku on Mar 19, 2013 11:40:54 GMT -5
Ok, so I wont supply percentages since I don't want to be inaccurate (or have the time to look figures up) but Adam is in a place where he, as an openly gay man, is seen as criminal, immoral, a danger to society, and mentally inbalanced, by the government and a large majority of the citizens. On top of just being himself, he will stand on a stage and sing Fever with a male pronoun, he will sing OOL which he is on record for saying is about gay rights. What part of that sounds 100% safe? I think he will be fine but, for sure he is making a statement by being there and there are risks to that from those that want to make an opposing statement. I applaud Adam for taking the risk, but the consequences are really out of his hands. That's what I don't like. this isn't his first time in Russia. Why is everyone freaking out? He just performed in Moscow without incident.....what has got everyone's knickers in a twist just because he traveled to another city in Russia? No one is freaking out. Some people are merely expressing worry. As for Adam traveling to another city in Russia, THIS is the city that has a law banning homosexual propaganda. Moscow still doesn't have that law (at least, not that I know of), even though they're trying to adopt it. In SP, there's a ban enforced by law on propaganda of homosexualism, bisexualism, transgenderism... and pedophilia. Yeah, pedophilia is up there among the other three.  The problem with this law is that who knows what "propaganda" means to the authorities. Anything could be considered "propaganda", from two men/women holding hands, to a gay couple openly living together, to a man wearing make up, to this movie or that song. Is Outlaws of Love gay propaganda? Not necessarily. However, OOL was one of the first songs I heard of Adam, when I still didn't know much about him. To me, the meaning of the song was crystal clear. Adam will sing OOL, no doubts on that. Will they authorities consider that he's breaking the gay propaganda law? Maybe, or maybe not. Will they touch him? No, they won't. Adam will be fine.  And, like Q3 said, if there's a storm after his concert, it's the Russian LGBT community and the rest of the society who will have to make the most of it. |
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). When he debuted the song in Quebec, I had just been introduced to his singing and wasn't really a fan - I was sort of aware that being gay posed problems for him, but what he said that day made me think a little more carefully and dig a little deeper into it. But as mys*&@^#r50 said, non-fans who don't get that context from what Adam said, might not link it to the gay community. The lyrics, in and of themselves, do not have any obvious references to same-sex relationships (that I can tell, anyway). Just.... relationships. I was wondering whether I had mis-remembered him saying that it could be about any forbidden relationship, and I'm relieved that mys*&@^#r50 recalls that comment too. So there's nothing their law can take issue with there (on the surface at least).
