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Post by FanOfTheMan on Jun 7, 2013 13:15:42 GMT -5
I didn't know a third album was even in question. And I thought that Q3 said at one point that Adam was in the black with RCA. Now he isn't???? That puts worry in my mind about Adam and RCA. *sigh* I do think that Adam looks quite happy these days tho. His smile looks genuine and he seems to be going out and having a good time. His relationship with Sauli has been over for a while now. It's time for him to be enjoying himself again. And he is looking more breathtakingly gorgeous than I have ever seen him look.
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Post by crazyoldgal on Jun 7, 2013 13:28:10 GMT -5
3rd ALbum....in the bag....I want to know when the 1st single is being released? like now!
My biggest concern right now....JUDGES.....the last video someone posted, the announcers suggested Pittbull (tapping into the spanish population) and Farrell ( a known respected writer/producer.....With a new change in management, maybe the thought of AI alumni is out the door.
Now I'm worried. I wish the media had never speculated the rumored AI panel.
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Post by Q3 on Jun 7, 2013 13:49:56 GMT -5
There is no way to find out global sales of Trespassing unless RCA/Sony releases it. >> Where is the 310K from? Trespassing was at 173,639 in the US at the end of 2012 (Billboard/Nielsen Soundscan). I do not recall seeing any official number for global sales or any sales number for any other country. Even if we know how many units are sold, no one who does not work for RCA or Adam will have any idea what the Trespassing financials look like except to say it is very likely that the album has not generated enough royalties yet to cover Adam's advance. And my GUESS is that Trespassing did not have enough sales to cover RCA's investment either. The label takes the financial risk, not the artist. Label accounting is so complex and there are so many cost allocations that often the definition of "covering costs" is hard to determine. All I care about is that Adam has the go ahead for A3 with RCA. And that he is with a label that supports and believes in him. Does this mean that you can guess how much Adam's advance was and how much RCA invested in Trespassing? Is it the same for every artist who is with RCA, is it common knowledge? You don't have to tell me if it's something confidential, but I would like to know how many copies of an album have to be sold in order for RCA to cover their expenses. And yes, the A3 go ahead is a beautiful thing:))) I believe that you know what you're talking about, it's just that I find it hard to believe they would support A3 at all if they lost money with Trespassing. I hate money:(((Adam's advance for FYE was $300,000. His advance for his second album (Trespassing) was between $225,000 and $450,000 depending on the sales of the first album. (source: California State Filings, Idol Contract 2009) www.tmz.com/2010/05/12/american-ido...s-simon-cowell/Since FYE was so successful I think Adam's advance for Album #2 would be higher than he got for his debut. The advance is against future royalties and is NOT related to whether the album makes money or not. Here is a good report about the music industry: www.ifpi.org/content/section_news/investing_in_music.html(It is pro label but does a good job of explaining what things cost.) The cost of trying to create a hit song in the US is about $1,000,000 -- an example: www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/05/137530847/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-hit-song<< CAUTION: THE REST OF THIS POST IS ALMOST ENTIRE BASED ON INDUSTRY NORMS >> We do not have any information for how much RCA invested in Trespassing except that it included Adam's advance (probably more than FYE), 19 Recordings advance, production costs and advances/guarantees to producers and song writers, promotional costs, 2 music videos, advertising, support for an extensive radio promo tour, free copies, etc. Plus allocations for administrative costs and overhead. Trespassing probably looks something like this... Adam Advance: $350,000 (my guess is it was more than FYE) 19 Recordings Advance: $70,000 (just a guess that they get 20%, this is not a public number) Recording Costs: $350,000 (I think it was on the high side -- RCA had Adam record NCOE after the album was submitted, and because of the number of recording sessions and locations.) 2 Music Videos: $200,000+ Tour support: $200,000 (radio tour,international) Marketing and promotion: $500,000-$1,000,000+ (2 songs promoted to US radio) Cost of album: $1.67 million - $2.17 million Then add in RCA's expenses for A&R, Accounting, Legal, etc. (+30%) That puts the project cost at around $2.2 million - $2.8 million. And they have not made a CD yet. The primary source of revenue for RCA is recorded music sales, and Trespassing is probably approaching 300K albums* plus the single sales. RCA net revenue is at best $3-4/album (after variable costs and royalties) and $0.40 per digital track sold. For conversation sake, let's say Trespassing tracks sold 2,000,000 units (I just made it up because we have no info.). That is... [300,000*$4.00]+[2,000,000*$0.35] = $1,270,000 in net revenue. * 300,000 units based on US sales of 195,000 [173,000 US 2012 sales (known) + 22 weeks at 1,000 units a week] and 65% of sales from the US. I think that is the high side number. Other revenues are meaningful but will not close the gap. ** So if Trespassing has not recouped costs, why did RCA go ahead with a third album for Adam. Probably because they believe there is a good chance that A3 will sell a lot. And there are many reasons to believe that Adam has good sales prospects. FYE was very profitable. Adam is very popular in many countries. They believe in his ability to put out popular music -- WWFM.
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Post by Q3 on Jun 7, 2013 13:57:18 GMT -5
I do too, Aleks. RCA has not hesitated on dropping artists that do not make them money. Plus, I could have sworn, Q3, that you said a while back that you were sure Trespassing was "in the black." Oh, and the worldwide number came from a site that does a very good job of estimating from info they have. It wasn't a guess by the "numbers people" here. Do we have a reliable confirmation that ALBUM #3 is going to happen? I know we heard various terms for Adam's current work (like "recording", references to being in studios)... No, I never posted that Trespassing was "in the black". There is no accurate way to estimate global sales. Unless RCA releases the info (and they will not), we will not know. The 300,000 estimated global sales is from Media Traffic. They are accurate when they have data but they have no more info they we have on Trespassing -- US Sales. Yes, A3 will happen. Adam has a go ahead for a new album for RCA. There is always a small chance that RCA will not accept it, or Adam will not finish it, but I think it is close to certain that it will be completed, accepted and released.
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Post by nica575 on Jun 7, 2013 13:57:29 GMT -5
3rd ALbum....in the bag....I want to know when the 1st single is being released? like now! My biggest concern right now....JUDGES.....the last video someone posted, the announcers suggested Pittbull (tapping into the spanish population) and Farrell ( a known respected writer/producer.....With a new change in management, maybe the thought of AI alumni is out the door. Now I'm worried. I wish the media had never speculated the rumored AI panel. Pittbull and Farrell were the wishes of that video producers... IMO the new honcho is in house and EVERYTHING re AI is on the table - the format, the content, the judges, the songs...for all we know - he can bring his sports experts or football stars and sit them at that judging table... P-)
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Post by Kamar on Jun 7, 2013 14:01:04 GMT -5
WOW Q3 , you are a genius !!! I honestly didn't know any of this !!! But this :
"So if Trespassing has not recouped costs, why did RCA go ahead with a third album for Adam. Probably because they believe there is a good chance that A3 will sell a lot. And there are many reasons to believe that Adam has good sales prospects. FYE was very profitable. Adam is very popular in many countries. They believe in his ability to put out popular music -- WWFM."
You really think that ?? A3 will sell a lot ?? Greater promo this time ?? They believe in him , right ?? *puppy dog eyes* Pwease say yes !!
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Post by Kamar on Jun 7, 2013 14:03:40 GMT -5
3rd ALbum....in the bag....I want to know when the 1st single is being released? like now! My biggest concern right now....JUDGES.....the last video someone posted, the announcers suggested Pittbull (tapping into the spanish population) and Farrell ( a known respected writer/producer.....With a new change in management, maybe the thought of AI alumni is out the door. Now I'm worried. I wish the media had never speculated the rumored AI panel. Pittbull and Farrell were the wishes of that video producers... IMO the new honcho is in house and EVERYTHING re AI is on the table - the format, the content, the judges, the songs...for all we know - he can bring his sports experts or football stars and sit them at that judging table... P-) Or even Porn Stars ... see guys ?? I told you so !!!!
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Post by pi on Jun 7, 2013 14:11:08 GMT -5
Playlist is 1 hour 1 min 2 sec long, so each song will play about once an hour. I've added "AT&T Live Proud", Trespassing (AOL Sessions), and Broken English (AOL Sessions). I've removed 3 interview videos. 2013-05-16 Adam Lambert American Idol + Official Music Videoswww.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8wdt9PU1zxWM21jmO_SagHxDqk1_GBKo01. Angie Miller and Adam Lambert Perform "Titanium" - AMERICAN IDOL SEASON 12 - americanidol ( 430,946 699,334 views) 02. Adam Lambert at the Finale Pre-Show - AMERICAN IDOL SEASON 12 - americanidol ( 47,494 51,154 views) 03. AT&T Live Proud - LiveProud01 ( 18,524 18,687 views) 04. HD: 2013-05-25 Adam Lambert - Love Wins Over Glamour - Life Ball 2013 - Carinaa2012 ( 33,433 47,344 views) 05. Adam Lambert -- Next 'American Idol' Judge!? - HollywireTV ( 15,481 22,822 views) 06. Adam Lambert - VEVO News Interview - AdamLambertVEVO (248,702 views) 07. Adam Lambert - Better Than I Know Myself - AdamLambertVEVO ( 12,723,789 12,846,803 views) 08. Adam Lambert - Never Close Our Eyes - AdamLambertVEVO ( 15,006,363 15,222,264 views) 09. Adam Lambert - Trespassing (Official Lyric Video) - AdamLambertVEVO ( 2,013,984 2,071,398 views) 10. Adam Lambert - Trespassing (AOL Sessions) - AdamLambertVEVO ( 477,946 478,612 views) 11. Adam Lambert - Cuckoo (AOL Sessions) - AdamLambertVEVO ( 381,192 387,713 views) 12. Adam Lambert - Naked Love (AOL Sessions) - AdamLambertVEVO 205,542 207,488 views 13. Adam Lambert - Broken English (AOL Sessions) - AdamLambertVEVO ( 193,945 194,221 views) 14. Adam Lambert - Time For Miracles - AdamLambertVEVO ( 1,697,984 1,702,095 views) 15. Adam Lambert - For Your Entertainment - AdamLambertVEVO ( 18,189,945 18,175,904 views) 16. Adam Lambert - Whataya Want From Me - AdamLambertVEVO ( 36,195,208 36,451,392 views) 17. Adam Lambert - If I Had You - AdamLambertVEVO ( 37,220,430 37,325,799 views) 2013-06-07 Titanium 699,334 views 05:30 AM PDT 2013-06-07 Titanium 698,026 views 04:00 AM PDT 2013-06-06 Titanium 694,205 views 09:95 PM PDT 2013-06-06 Titanium 691,132 views 03:11 PM PDT 2013-06-06 Titanium 688,488 views 05:00 AM PDT 2013-06-06 Titanium 686,853 views 03:30 AM PDT 2013-06-06 Titanium 685,207 views 02:00 AM PDT 2013-06-05 Titanium 681,878 views 07:22 PM PDT 2013-06-05 Titanium 680,509 views 02:07 PM PDT 2013-06-05 Titanium 679,388 views 12:25 PM PDT 2013-06-05 Titanium 678,247 views 08:25 AM PDT 2013-06-05 Titanium 677,294 views 06:05 AM PDT 2013-06-05 Titanium 675,990 views 03:45 AM PDT 2013-06-05 Titanium 674,125 views 12:30 AM PDT 2013-06-04 Titanium 672,047 views 08:50 PM PDT 2013-06-04 Titanium 670,866 views 05:34 PM PDT 2013-06-04 Titanium 669,059 views 03:10 PM PDT 2013-06-04 Titanium 668,167 views 11:25 AM PDT 2013-06-04 Titanium 667,456 views 08:00 AM PDT 2013-06-04 Titanium 666,114 views 05:30 AM PDT 2013-06-04 Titanium 662,906 views 01:00 AM PDT 2013-06-03 Titanium 659,617 views 07:10 PM PDT 2013-06-03 Titanium 657,843 views 04:00 PM PDT 2013-06-03 Titanium 656,471 views 11:00 AM PDT 2013-06-03 Titanium 653,657 views 04:30 AM PDT 2013-06-03 Titanium 651,243 views 01:00 AM PDT 2013-06-02 Titanium 649,944 views 10:47 PM PDT 2013-06-02 Titanium 647,602 views 06:10 PM PDT 2013-06-02 Titanium 645,950 views 03:50 PM PDT 2013-06-02 Titanium 640,035 views 04:50 AM PDT 2013-06-01 Titanium 629,467 views 12:00 PM PDT 2013-06-01 Titanium 626,955 views 06:30 AM PDT 2013-06-01 Titanium 622,994 views 12:17 AM PDT American Idol YouTube Channelwww.youtube.com/user/americanidol?feature=watch40x Titanium playlist. 2013-05-16 Adam Lambert & Angie Titaniumwww.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8wdt9PU1zxW0Z6fTB1AHa8SV_sszesn2
The first link isn't working for me.. is it just me?
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Post by melliemom on Jun 7, 2013 14:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by theosgma on Jun 7, 2013 14:17:13 GMT -5
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