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Post by Daenerys on Sept 26, 2013 0:04:00 GMT -5
Deep breath. Deep breath. This thread is an interesting sociological study on what is appropriate to talk about in terms of sexual activity, what is offensive, what is or should be private, and what is polite for fans of a celebrity. It would be great material for someone's masters thesis, for sure. My thought was a bit feminist. Why is it uncool/inappropriate for middle-aged women to be discussing the sexual thoughts and acts of a gorgeous gay guy - "cats in heat" is a particularly derogatory image in my mind - but there is a bajillion dollar industry catering to middle-aged men drooling and fantasizing and masturbating over gorgeous, busty, scantily clad young female models and cheerleaders in magazines, movies, TV, and commercials selling everything? Double standard rearing its ugly head again? Just sayin. Cassie, this is how I see it. The "cats in heat" maybe insensitive or derogatory but I'm keeping it real. In my neck of the woods among people my age that would be exactly what we would say after we laughed, rolled our eyes. We talk real talk.
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Post by Q3 on Sept 26, 2013 0:05:12 GMT -5
I don't agree that Adam should stop creating pop music, it is true that Pop does not require a great technicle voice. Pop is susposed to be fun not complex in anyway, most of the MV's that are big are fun and inspiring like Katy Perry and Carly rae jepsen, Teenage Dream, CMM e.t.c. I think Adam should maintain his current pop sound, but more fuse it with an alt rock sound, more pop/rock then electro-pop this time around. As while Adam's Pop Dance maybe better then anyone else, it is like Katy Perry doing opera, that's not her signature sound. I think Adam is known for his voice, but that's not to say he should be doing all songs that highlight his vocals, everyone knows he can sing, maybe a more Darker Rock fused with his current Pop stuff, with some electric guitar acoustic ballads, and the whole vibe of the album while still maintaining his current pop sound should be Rock n Roll, not every song but just the vibe. It looks like too Adam is collabing with different type's of artists, more in Alt Rock which is good JMO. Katy Perry doing opera. I am not posting this so that people can mock Katy Perry (who I like and who is Adam friend and a major support of Adam and who has millions of fans who are Adam fan prospects). Although she studied Italian Opera, I think there is no threat to any opera singers working in say Missoula, MT. (no diss to Montana intended!) youtu.be/ywd76srrqog
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Post by adamrocks on Sept 26, 2013 0:08:35 GMT -5
Deep breath. Deep breath. This thread is an interesting sociological study on what is appropriate to talk about in terms of sexual activity, what is offensive, what is or should be private, and what is polite for fans of a celebrity. It would be great material for someone's masters thesis, for sure. My thought was a bit feminist. Why is it uncool/inappropriate for middle-aged women to be discussing the sexual thoughts and acts of a gorgeous gay guy - "cats in heat" is a particularly derogatory image in my mind - but there is a bajillion dollar industry catering to middle-aged men drooling and fantasizing and masturbating over gorgeous, busty, scantily clad young female models and cheerleaders in magazines, movies, TV, and commercials selling everything? Double standard rearing its ugly head again? Just sayin.I so agree with you Cassie! "FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION PEOPLE!! FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION!!"-Adam Lambert
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 0:08:47 GMT -5
Deep breath. Deep breath. This thread is an interesting sociological study on what is appropriate to talk about in terms of sexual activity, what is offensive, what is or should be private, and what is polite for fans of a celebrity. It would be great material for someone's masters thesis, for sure. My thought was a bit feminist. Why is it uncool/inappropriate for middle-aged women to be discussing the sexual thoughts and acts of a gorgeous gay guy - "cats in heat" is a particularly derogatory image in my mind - but there is a bajillion dollar industry catering to middle-aged men drooling and fantasizing and masturbating over gorgeous, busty, scantily clad young female models and cheerleaders in magazines, movies, TV, and commercials selling everything? Double standard rearing its ugly head again? Just sayin. And much more polite than what I was thinking.
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Post by 4Ms on Sept 26, 2013 0:13:22 GMT -5
Yes, as Adamrocks notes, more men of the sports-loving variety seem to be tweeting in appreciation of Adam's work with Queen. I have been seeing the same thing. These guys probably don't buy pop records/downloads, but they could possibly buy tickets if Adam does a concert near them, or at least say yes if their wives ask if they want to go to a concert. Some here wondered if Adam's management was controlling/"toning him down." But I think Adam's appearance at the iHeart concert managed to be both simpler and more accessible to a lot of men, while still retaining plenty of rock star glam (like the boots and the belt). I think it was a WIN. I was watching an old interview, from right after Idol, today. Adam was asked what he wanted to do in the future. He said he wanted to make music and keep reinventing himself. (Madonna is one of Adam's idols and she's known for reinventing herself.} I think Adam always planned to create a new image after GNT. I was worried that he was going to go hippie. I like this "Fonzie-cool" image much better.
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Post by Q3 on Sept 26, 2013 0:18:26 GMT -5
Different strokes for different folks. I mean.... it's just sex. It isn't a scary subject. It's not taboo. It should be as natural and easy as breathing. I'm pretty sure Adam feels this way about it. I hear you. I guess for me and I'm not saying it is happening here but I find nothing appealing about a bunch of middle age women acting like cats in heat over a gay guy who will never, ever, ever give you the time of day. *shrugs* I do kind of find it cute when he flirts with the young hot chicks though because basically what Adam is saying is " I know I'm hot but too bad you can't have me". lol. One of the principles of Adamtopia is that there is no right way to be a fan. Sometimes people cannot accept that but we all have our own "fan style" and I have found the best course is not to judge others because my home is entirely made of glass. I do find it kind of cute when young men flirt with him. On what Adam thinks -- I don't think that Adam thinks "I know I'm hot but too bad you can't have me." In interviews during the Idol tour, he talked about how surprised he was to have so many female fans who thought he was sexy. It was said with a mix of wonder, WTF? how did I get here, and pride. Finally, my observation of many concerts is that everyone gets it. There are not a lot of fans of any age who do not know he is gay, gay, gay. [There may not be any.]
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Post by Craazyforadam on Sept 26, 2013 0:20:08 GMT -5
Here we go. And for those who don’t care about our instrument – songwriter discussion, SKIPPIDY, DIPPIDY, DOO DAH!!!
First of all, thanks for all your responses and for making this a civil discussion, in spite of the fact that many of you are disagreeing with me. Great discussion. So, here is my response to all the points that were made. Or at least I hope I got them all, lol.
Artist: Nobody doubts that Adam is an artist. I also don’t think anyone here said that, but there were a ton of people talking about the point that Adam IS indeed an artist, so clearly many assumed that somebody had written something to the contrary. Outside of some silly comment section or on twitter, I don’t know where that would come from. I certainly never read it here. Of course Adam is an artist, duh! So, no, I have not completely lost my marbles.
Musician: Of course Adam is a musician. You can study vocals at any music school. Adam is a master at that, even without a formal degree. I think the mix-up commonly is, that folks without that knowledge assume that the word ‘musician’ refers to somebody who plays an instrument and forget about vocals as a possible instrument. This is more a problem of common speech versus technically correct speech.
Musicality: Again a different thing. Adam obviously is extremely gifted in that department. He has a GREAT ear. He goes about working out his performances quite instinctively and he is gifted when it comes to
- rhythmic instincts and accuracy,
- tonal skills, (picking up a melody, singing harmony, pitch control and correction)
- interpretative skills (musical lines, lyrical interpretation, projection, dynamics, etc)
- technical vocal skills (headvoice use, register slides, enunciation, etc)
- memory, ability to learn a song quickly
If Adam wanted to just be a vocalist and performer, the whole discussion would be a mute point. Given his brilliance at that, it would be a fantastic and very much an artistic career. The comparison with Angelina fails at exactly this point. Angelina is an opera singer, a vocalist. She does not try to be an opera composer. If she wanted to be a composer, would she need to know some basics on let’s say the piano? Of course she would.
Within song-writing. If Adam wanted to be knows as lyricist, i.e. like Elton John’s partner, sure, that would work too. He would not need the instrument.
Now comes the part where it matters, imo. Obviously, Adam can sing a melody to himself, work out the lyrics and then meet up with folks, present his melody and lyrics and they can work it out from there. Some people might do that. But Adam clearly has indicated that this is not how it works for him. He starts writing with someone else right away, does not develop a song by just singing to himself.
Somebody earlier responded to me. Too many songs today are written by committee. I say, exactly! And right now, Adam is forced to be one of them. He song-writes by committee. And his songs totally show that they are written by committee, if you ask me. They are the confluence of multiple ideas. Compromises are good, rarely do they result in something that is genius.
If Brian May and Freddie Mercury had sat together in one room, would they have never come up with WWTLF? And yet, both are excellent song-writers. Queen actually is a good example. How many of the great Queen songs are written by one of them and then they got together and worked out the song together after that? But the basic essence of many great songs was the idea of just one at a time? Talon probably knows more exact numbers, but as far as I understand, it is the majority. They worked out the instrumentation, the production together, fine-tuned it together. But it was somebody’s song first.
Adam has stated that he often wants to start with a rhythmic line, then see where it goes from there. So, he is looking for some grounding. Can he do that with a synth? Obviously yes. Can a synth, give him a basic I, IV, V, I, and then some? Of course.
But, as Holst mentioned, that would result in very primitive songs and would be quite counterproductive. Adam needs to freely compose with his voice and his imagination, so any instrument needs to be one that allows to support that. That is why you cannot compose with a violin or a HeWhoCannot amedet. Because you cannot sing and play at the same time. That is why people come back to guitar and piano again and again as the basic instruments for composition. They also both allow for full accords and not just melody lines. Another benefit.
If Adam only needed a I, IV, V, I (like 90 % of all the lousy pop music in the world), then I would have written 2 days to learn the guitar, instead of 6 weeks, because that is how long it takes to learn those basic three accords. Ok, 3 days, to add a 7 - accord and to do minor ones too. Use a capodaster and voila. It is really that simple.
The reason, I said 6 weeks, is because I agree, that this would not be enough. Adam needs to freely explore with his vocals, but he then needs to be able to ground himself without having to invite the committee. It is not that it is impossible to do it with a group, it just is tedious that way and some brilliance gets lost in translation.
If a poet does not know how to read or write, can he still be a poet? Sure. But he now needs to engage a scribe, endlessly bother that scribe and the usual, ‘scratch that out, write this instead’, would get very cumbersome to the point, where you don’t want to scratch it out one more time or get totally lost, because the scribe is not in sync anymore with what is in the head of the poet.
A pen and a notepad grounds an author, an instrument grounds a musician. A vocalist can develop a melody in his head just by singing it, just like an author can speak his text, but to get to a complex song, he needs that instrument as a clutch, just like the author needs the notepad and pen to echo back what he has already written.
When I say that Adam could use basic guitar or piano knowledge and it would help him, then not because I believe the guitar would ever lead, it would only support his evolving vocal ideas. I think that Adam’s present dependency on an instrumentalist shows in his songs left and right.
Finally: I do think that Adam is already now a good songwriter, because he has ideas, has great instincts, is very musical and can work great in a team. I do agree that his songs are good, some even great. And as I said, he does not deserve that lashing that this NY – classic rock DJ gave his songwriting skills. I totally agree. But if he wants to get to the level of great song-writing, I think that he is missing his pen and notepad.
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Post by 4Ms on Sept 26, 2013 0:22:09 GMT -5
Frankly, I find this more than insulting. If you aren't saying it's happening here, then why are you saying it at all? I think if it doesn't apply to you than it wouldn't be insulting. I can assure you many people feel exactly the same as I do. It is insulting to Adam as a gay man to be constantly sexualized and admiring of his body parts. Think about it. If an older man did the same to a younger female we would be up in arms. Double standard? I get with Adam it's all in good fun but we all have opinions and I don't find my comment insulting at all. It's like my mother oogling my younger male friends. Just no.... I don't think you understand me at all. In fact, you seem to be rather clueless about Adam, too.
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Post by Daenerys on Sept 26, 2013 0:27:33 GMT -5
"I hear you. I guess for me and I'm not saying it is happening here but I find nothing appealing about a bunch of middle age women acting like cats in heat over a gay guy who will never, ever, ever give you the time of day. *shrugs* I do kind of find it cute when he flirts with the young hot chicks though because basically what Adam is saying is " I know I'm hot but too bad you can't have me". lol." I definitely don't think of myself as a "cat in heat over a gay guy who will never, ever, ever give you the time of day"... I think of it as he has given me the incentive to go out there and find love for myself and not settle. I don't fathom that I will ever have sex with him but I do plan to have sex with someone...and I plan to find that someone. He gave me hope that there is someone out there for me. And I damn well will not sit on my ass and not try. I think what he means to me is that I deserve love too and need to try to find it and not give up. And I won't! #nodisrespectintended I find this really interesting and would sincerely like to hear more. I guess I'm having a hard time figuring out how Adam someone who we really no nothing personal about other than what he shares with us. Based on some of the things he has said in the past about him being controlling, jealous, insecure when it comes to relationships he would be the last person I would go to for advise on love. Do fans have a fantasy relationship with celebrities where they think they really know the person? I think for the most part Adam is a cupcake but I have no knowledge how he is when it comes to relationships behind close doors. He could be nightmare. Help me to understand how a celebrity can give you the incentive to go out there and find love for yourself and not settle. Isn't that something that comes from self discovery and knowing who you are. I think of it as he has given me the incentive to go out there and find love for myself and not settle.
If you have settled in the past and now realize you no longer have to do that I'm sure it had nothing to do with Adam but everything to do with the fact that that is what you had to go through in order to get to what is you really want in a relationship now. We all go through. No one can enlighten you but yourself.
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Post by Daenerys on Sept 26, 2013 0:38:20 GMT -5
I think if it doesn't apply to you than it wouldn't be insulting. I can assure you many people feel exactly the same as I do. It is insulting to Adam as a gay man to be constantly sexualized and admiring of his body parts. Think about it. If an older man did the same to a younger female we would be up in arms. Double standard? I get with Adam it's all in good fun but we all have opinions and I don't find my comment insulting at all. It's like my mother oogling my younger male friends. Just no.... I don't think you understand me at all. In fact, you seem to be rather clueless about Adam, too.
I don't think so. I just don't act like I know who he is. He's a celebrity who only gives us 1/4 of his personal side. No one other than his friends and family knows who the real Adam is.
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