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Post by Q3 on Dec 6, 2013 13:15:46 GMT -5
Range - Freddie - recorded vocal range G♯1-A6. I this the G♯1 could be debated based on quality but it is there. But I heard his whistle notes live and they are real. He used it like a guitar in concert. Here is one of the range sample videos. If you're gonna compare range I think it should be down to the melodic and creative use of range rather than just quantifying outright, plus anything past F2-D6 by Freddie is abysmal (though F2-D6 is still wider than A2-B5). His live whistle notes really are beautiful but like I said there are no good ones past D6. The more extreme "fanboys" out there like pitching things like voice cracks and croaky "just woke up" speaking (basically any noise he can create with his voice) which is quite laughable cause anyone can have a "5 octave range" if you do that  I do think he made better use of it than Adam just cause he pushed his low register more, used whistle register and did those big multi-octave choir parts. Adam started to explore in that style a bit more on Trespassing though which is exciting  ITA -- but I was just trying to do the objective comparison that was put forward. Freddie used his whistle notes to expand the musical experience and they are beautiful. I do not think we know Adam's true range -- and am not sure once a singer has a usable 3+ octaves how much it adds to the performance and emotional experience. I am not a fan of treating singing like baseball (a game of statistics). I used to have a 3+ octave range, gone now, but I never had a very interesting voice -- so great for choir and back-up vocals, not so good as a front-woman for a band (although I did try it). Finally, Freddie smoked cigarettes and was a heavy smoker. There is a lot of difference between his voice in the 1970's vs. after he started to have vocal issues (1982) and when the smoking and his illness started to cause issues. Unfortunately, there is very little live footage of Freddie in the early 1970's. |
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Post by stampsgal on Dec 6, 2013 13:15:59 GMT -5
Hey...maybe more opportunities for Adam on the little screen. |
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Post by justgill on Dec 6, 2013 13:16:03 GMT -5
I don't know what got my emotions going more, Aleks' pouring her wounded heart out or ladymazerati's desperation to help her. One of the many things Aleks questioned is whether friends she's made on-line and on twitter are truly friends. Admittedly, we know very little about Aleks' real life, yet don't you feel we truly know her?! We certainly don't know details, like what she looks like, who her family is, the troubles she is experiencing, BUT, from how she writes about Adam, we know her heart. It's a strange world we've created but I wonder if these distant relationships aren't just prohibitive, but wittled down to the basics, what's important. What I do know is that she has people from many different continents worried about her and I think that says a lot-about her, and about us. The challenge with these new kind of relationships is that the distance, literally and figuratively, makes it hard to adequately help. I am just going to let her know, through internet and twitter, how valued she is. ^^^^^^^^ mse, beautifully explained ![]() . |
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Post by Q3 on Dec 6, 2013 13:20:07 GMT -5
Murly: "It's legitimate to compare the specific criteria that define good singers--range, control, pitch, versatility, among others--and conclude that Adam is a better singer." I added Clarity, Timbre/Color and Tessitura. >> One thing that makes them so different for me is the difference in vocal weight -- Adam's voice is lighter, brighter and more agile; Freddie is more dramatic, powerful and darker. They both seem similarly rich to me -- with so much depth. This is one reason why Adam can bring something new to the Queen catalog -- WWTLF.
I have 7 attributes and score it Freddie 2 Adam 3 Tie 3. Looks like a tie to me because a couple could have gone either way. Clarity - Adam. Most rock purists and classic rock fans count this as a negative -- Adam has no "grit" when he sings and he has a theatrical/classic style of singing. And he freely imports classical singing techniques into rock songs.I was so busy typing my own comment in the thread... I just back tracked and read Q3's analysis. Which obviously is done with some knowledge of music..of which I have little...except if I like/dislike something.  I agree whole heartedly with what I bolded in red. Important to me was what Q'3 is saying about GRIT...as that was what much of my post was about. Some quote by Gene Simmons of KISS got fan feathers ruffled when he commented on Adam's voice after their AI performance. I knew what he was meaning, as I am sure many of you did as well, Adam at that time did not showcase that harder rougher edge to a voice...a rocker voice. (often wearing out that voice after decades) Recently Adam has put some grit into the Queen songs and certainly into Marry the Night. He is truly still developing his own skills as an artist, and will perform his way, but I like the growth, and appropriateness of its useage.
I agree. Adam is starting to explore something new vocally. MTN was different. That A2 he hit fooling around with puppets. There was something very different and better in his performance of "Music Again" in Miami. And the strange start of Fever at the same concert. I am still hoping for some good audio from Miami. I was surrounded by camera and videographers but there is really very little posted. [fingers crossed]. |
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Post by evamaria on Dec 6, 2013 13:21:21 GMT -5
Wow, massive ratings for SOML. I guess we will be seeing more of these "live for TV " musical things. Art in all forms is SO subjective. There really is no need for labeling anyone "best" because people will never agree. And that's probably how it should be. I so agree, but all within reason. Tommy is not as good a guitarist as Brian May. I'm not as good a pianist as Stephen Hough. Craft, talent, experience matter. otoh, pitting Brian against Nile, Adam against Freddie is impossible. At that point, it comes down to preference, and you can't argue about that. |
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Post by dontshakemytree on Dec 6, 2013 13:21:55 GMT -5
Adam Lambert @adamlambert 1mThis is SO sexy! jb_AL_FOREVER made a gorg video for one the bonus tracks I co-wrote for Trespassing: #ByTheRules youtu.be/T0lf9Psj8b4ETA: It the first time Adam "promotes" By The Rules - my #1 fav track on TP!!!! Wow! What an elaborate production! This is beautiful......love all the wildlife interaction with the gorgeous human! And from his/her screen name, the creator is a JB fan! Yay! New fans! |
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Post by Alison on Dec 6, 2013 13:28:30 GMT -5
Since we are a little off topic today, I would like to share an inspiring story about the power of music. youtu.be/8oxO3M6rAPw |
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Post by murly on Dec 6, 2013 13:28:35 GMT -5
Nobody, including me, ever said that there isn't room for both Adam and Freddie in the world of music, or that everyone has to like Adam better. This began when cassie said that Adam is a better singer than Freddie, and adamme objected, saying that it's only cassie's opinion that Adam is better and not fair to compare the two because Freddie wasn't a trained singer.
I was just pointing out that preference does not equal ability. No way in hell could Freddie have held that note in "Come to Me, Bend to Me"--y'all know the one I'm talking about--as steadily and beautifully as Adam did. I've never heard Freddie demonstrate the amazing control that Adam has. Nor does he have quite the range. These are objective--not subjective--criteria on which to judge the ability of a singer.
Go ahead. Love Freddie with all your heart. Heck, I love Willie Nelson's singing, which is reedy and shows about as much range as a tea kettle. I love his emotional connection to the songs he sings--"Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain" gets me every time--but I'm not going to claim that he is a better singer than Adam or Freddie.
No one is trying to suggest that anyone who isn't Adam should be drummed out of show business. Merely pointing out that Adam, by all objective criteria, is a superior vocalist to the vast majority of popular singers, including Freddie. Does it matter? Oh, probably not. But what's wrong with discussing it?
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Post by nica575 on Dec 6, 2013 13:33:31 GMT -5
Hey...maybe more opportunities for Adam on the little screen. ohhhhh....yaaaa.... ![]() but what if they'll start casting pop/country stars in singing/acting roles... but I am not scerrrrd...I don't have to watch |
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Post by betty on Dec 6, 2013 13:35:36 GMT -5
Adam Lambert @adamlambert 1mThis is SO sexy! jb_AL_FOREVER made a gorg video for one the bonus tracks I co-wrote for Trespassing: #ByTheRules youtu.be/T0lf9Psj8b4ETA: It is the first time Adam "promotes" By The Rules - my #1 fav track on TP!!!! Blocked for Germany again  but fortunately there are other ways to watch the vid!  I like the video, great nature shots! I think it fits the vibe of the song perfectly! ![]() |
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I do think he made better use of it than Adam just cause he pushed his low register more, used whistle register and did those big multi-octave choir parts. Adam started to explore in that style a bit more on Trespassing though which is exciting 
