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Post by Q3 on Dec 6, 2013 16:32:36 GMT -5
I'm going to comment on Q3's post on page 5 that includes numerous YT of Freddie singing a variety of songs. But am not repeating it here because it is so long. Q3, I listened to the examples you gave. As you may know, I am not a Freddie expert and know the depth of the music like you do, as you pointed out recordings of vaudeville, light opera, etc. However, from the videos you cited, I pretty much hear the same Freddie across all the styles of music. Yes, he is singing songs of different styles, but I'm not really hearing him adapt much. And that's okay to have his same voice across all the styles. The pairing of him with Monserrat Caballe (opera singer) is odd to me. He cannot put on a operatic voice and she certainly cannot sound like the gospel stylings going on in the background. They are two distinctly different singers. Just because they sang some songs together does not mean they are effective at each other's genre's. I think neither of them does a credible job out of their own element. However, it was interesting to listen to, and I AM BEING EDUCATED BY YOU and others. As you say, we all know how versatile Adam is. For me, the amazing thing about him is that he can change his voice to sing various styles. As mentioned just a few minutes ago, we all know Come to Me, Bend to Me and how beautiful that is for musical theater. Then there is My Conviction, which is hardly recognizable as Adam and has a touch of real operatic quality. Then there is the more gritty Adam that many here love. Was it By the Rules or Map that appeared one day and a bunch of were questioning whether it was Adam or not--it sounded different. One thing I have learned over the last few years is that, much to my dismay, many people judge singing ability much differently than I do. B-| It never occurred to me to consider their expressive show of emotion as the top indicator for quality. Although I might enjoy the performance of someone with a raggedy, gravely voice, who sings with emotion, I would never call them a great singer. I think the expressive feature of a performance has become much more important to current listeners of popular music--since the advent of rock. Before that, singers were mostly expected to have good pitch, vibrato, and an open tone quality (trained or not), along with expressivity. Take a look at Frank Sinatra, Doris Day, Ella Fitzgerald, and so many from 1900-1950's. When I have my music classes at school listen to singers like that, they gets giggly because they've never heard anything like it. Taylor Swift is a great singer to many of them. Gotta go. Got music to practice, lessons to teach, and rehearsal to attend. Later, all. Actually, I learn so much from you that your post makes me laugh!! I am equally puzzled by what people think is great singing. I am bored by most of the "R&B divas" like Jennifer Hudson and to some that is the pinnacle of a great singer. I was somewhat horrified by a recent The Voice performance of "At Last" and then watched it go to #2 on iTunes. Last season's The Voice winner, Danielle Bradberry rarely hits a bad note, she sings with such precision that I find it a bit robotic and boring. I honestly do not know why I love the singers I love -- but Adam has a ton of whatever that is and is #1 on my list of vocalists. I have very eclectic taste in vocalists -- high on my list -- k d lang, Phoebe Snow, Jeff Buckley, Elvis Costello, Devin Townsend, Sam Cooke, Etta James, Roy Orbison, Jim Morrison, Farrokh Bulsara  [Freddie] and someone I only listened to after I dropped my prejudice and actually listen to his early recordings, Elvis Presley. There are many "great" pop/rock vocalists who I like and appreciate but who I never go out of my way to listen to and who do not connect with me -- for example, Axl Rose, Kelly Clarkson and George Michael. I know that they can sing, but they do not "reach me". *** And while I was looking for some old Queen club videos on YT (I struck out) but I did come across Queen Hammersmith Odeon 24. December 1975, BBC Christmas concert video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWhW4wGw-d0&feature=share&list=PL5A49581518DFE154&index=3Kind of fun because almost 40 years later Brian and Roger were back in the Hammersmith with Adam. I meet a couple people who were at this show at the 2012 concert. And Roger looks so much like Tiger Taylor! (or I guess that should be the other way.) *** OK work avoidance is over! |
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Post by FanOfTheMan on Dec 6, 2013 16:33:00 GMT -5
Well, Freddie IS a legend, a universal legend, IMO, as are Frank Sinatra and Elvis Presley, among others. That's just a fact. They are legends for a reason. I think because they all touched people in some way, be it vocal ability or the ability to connect with heart and emotions. Were they all technically perfect at all times-probably not.
Just as Marily Monroe is a legend. Was she the world's greatest actress, no I think not. But she had something, to me it was her touching vulnerability, that makes her unforgettable for all time, IMO.
Actors come and go - singers come and go. Not many make it to legendary status.
Interesting subject-makes one think.
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Post by jean1010 on Dec 6, 2013 16:38:04 GMT -5
I enjoyed reading the discussion from some very musically knowledgeable members. My uneducated two cents is that ranking two singers at the pinnacle of their craft like Adam and Freddie is not possible, and boils down to subjective preferences. On the other hand, comparing Adam on vocal ability with all the singers in pop today is possible on objectives scales IMO. Notice I said vocal ability because other artists are selling different things. Bob Dylan's iconic place in music has nothing to do with vocal ability and everything to do with his ability to speak poetically to the angst of a generation. So far Adam fame is for the most part built on him being a vocal powerhouse,and we are going to see him compared on that turf with other singers by fans, critics and the press.
I am glad that SOM did so well. For one thing I like Carrie, but more importantly I now have my hopes up that we will see Adam on TV in a live Broadway musical in the not too distant future. That would be so exciting I might not live through it.
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Post by melliemom on Dec 6, 2013 16:58:04 GMT -5
I enjoyed reading the discussion from some very musically knowledgeable members. My uneducated two cents is that ranking two singers at the pinnacle of their craft like Adam and Freddie is not possible, and boils down to subjective preferences. On the other hand, comparing Adam on vocal ability with all the singers in pop today is possible on objectives scales IMO. Notice I said vocal ability because other artists are selling different things. Bob Dylan's iconic place in music has nothing to do with vocal ability and everything to do with his ability to speak poetically to the angst of a generation. So far Adam fame is for the most part built on him being a vocal powerhouse,and we are going to see him compared on that turf with other singers by fans, critics and the press. I am glad that SOM did so well. For one thing I like Carrie, but more importantly I now have my hopes up that we will see Adam on TV in a live Broadway musical in the not too distant future. That would be so exciting I might not live through it. I watched SOM too. I thought the acting was pretty terrible ,mainly from the seasoned performers. I know they were on a Stage type setting ,but the TV cameras come in very close,so their gestures and voices IMHO opinion should have adapted.. I remember Adam saying something like he had to cut down on the dramatic gestures on TV.. different than the stage. As far as Carrie,all had English accents,except for her,kind of weird. She had general American speech.. I actually found her more believable than most of the cast and I thought her voice sounded very good.She's not a seasoned performer ,so what was the excuse for the others? I'm so happy SOM got such a good audience ,I can't tell you how sick I am of all the reality shows .. would love to see more Broadway type shows and would love to see Carol Burnett comedy type shows again and variety shows onTV.Mostly I want to see Adam with his own weekly variety show .. I would be glued to the set. I also saw bits and pieces of XMas Glee.. sorry to say It was pretty embarrassingly BAD. Adam hurry back in Feb. |
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Post by Holst on Dec 6, 2013 16:58:17 GMT -5
To clarify, this is for this season only? It appears that there are only Season 5 videos on the channel. I don't know why. Maybe it's a new channel. |
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Post by Q3 on Dec 6, 2013 17:03:25 GMT -5
I believe I already listed the objective criteria. Range, control, power, versatility. I would never try to convince anyone to like one singer better than another singer. But I do think it's possible to say that one singer is technically better than another. I seem to recall many derisive comments about FUN's lead singer attempting the Queen song "Somebody to Love." I remember many comparisons to Adam's performances with Queen. Are we just supposed to pretend that all singers are equally good? You know, from my observation it seems Freddie is "untouchable"... no one may voice ANY less than "he is a legend" opinion... I suppose his fans are so "aggressive" that they bullied everyone into submission... I am in awe of Queen SONGS, I am in awe of Brian May's guitar, I am not in awe of Freddie's singing - Thanks to Talon I educated myself a bit by following his awesome posts... Are there other singers in the same "no one will ever be better" category? IDK...Frank Sinatra (too far back)? If I say I see nothing special in his singing - will the masses bring their wrath upon me? ;)Or there is no claim re his vocal abilities and only "I feel him" type adoration? (Seriously, I never understood the roots of his fame). and now I will hide ![]() ![]() No need to hide.  Many of the Queen songs were composed by Freddie, so we can agree on that much... "Bohemian Rhapsody", "Killer Queen", "Bicycle Race", "Don't Stop Me Now", "Crazy Little Thing Called Love", "Somebody to Love", "Play the Game", "Seven Seas of Rhye", "We Are the Champions" were written by Freddie. "Under Pressure", "The Show Must Go On" were partially written by Freddie. I do not put Freddie in a "no one will ever be better" category (and I do not see anyone doing that here) but I also appreciate him and understand why he is the icon he is -- and he was an icon before he got ill -- it was not posthumous. IMO it was because Freddie is one of the best rock band frontman ever -- certainly one of the best I ever saw. |
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Post by adamrocks on Dec 6, 2013 17:04:29 GMT -5
97.4 Rock FM @974rockfm 33mSet list so far: Avicii - Hey Brother John Newman - Love Me Again Syn Cole - Miami 82 Avicii - Lay Me Down 
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Post by Q3 on Dec 6, 2013 17:05:00 GMT -5
To clarify, this is for this season only? It appears that there are only Season 5 videos on the channel. I don't know why. Maybe it's a new channel. I believe they take them down after the season. Season 4 is all unofficial YTs. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 17:06:09 GMT -5
I believe I already listed the objective criteria. Range, control, power, versatility. I would never try to convince anyone to like one singer better than another singer. But I do think it's possible to say that one singer is technically better than another. I seem to recall many derisive comments about FUN's lead singer attempting the Queen song "Somebody to Love." I remember many comparisons to Adam's performances with Queen. Are we just supposed to pretend that all singers are equally good? You know, from my observation it seems Freddie is "untouchable"... no one may voice ANY less than "he is a legend" opinion... I suppose his fans are so "aggressive" that they bullied everyone into submission... I am in awe of Queen SONGS, I am in awe of Brian May's guitar, I am not in awe of Freddie's singing - Thanks to Talon I educated myself a bit by following his awesome posts... Are there other singers in the same "no one will ever be better" category? IDK...Frank Sinatra (too far back)? If I say I see nothing special in his singing - will the masses bring their wrath upon me? ;)Or there is no claim re his vocal abilities and only "I feel him" type adoration? (Seriously, I never understood the roots of his fame). and now I will hide ![]() ![]() I guess my question would be "how do you hear nothing special in Freddie's singing when it is so similar to Adam's singing"? Their voices are very similar which is why Adam's voice works so well with their songs and many other aritsts voices do not. It's why the guy from FUN didn't sound quite right singing Somebody to Love, it's why Paul Rogers with Queen never was able to pull off the bigger and more theatrical songs in Queen's catalog. |
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Post by adamrocks on Dec 6, 2013 17:09:03 GMT -5
Aww...Paula will be at the Trevor Project show!
The Trevor Project @trevorproject 46mWe're excited to have @themandymoore @ PaulaAbdul @joshduhamel at #TrevorLIVE in two days! Red carpet livestream: thetrevorproject.org/livestream
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[Freddie] and someone I only listened to after I dropped my prejudice and actually listen to his early recordings, Elvis Presley. 
