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Post by happy on Dec 6, 2013 15:35:07 GMT -5
I know it's OT, but since we have been discussing last night's Sound of Music, I was wondering what was the reason for doing this live. I recorded it and have watched half of it and am debating whether to watch more. Without a live audience, it just seems to lack energy. And does anyone know how "live" it was -- were they really performing on a soundstage at the very moment that people tuned in on the east coast?
I've also enjoyed today's discussion. I'm glad people have different opinions because it makes life interesting and educational!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 15:51:11 GMT -5
To clarify, this is for this season only? And 3 of the top 5 are from the Cory tribute episode! So having Roar and MTN in top 5 is quite a feat! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 15:52:01 GMT -5
I know it's OT, but since we have been discussing last night's Sound of Music, I was wondering what was the reason for doing this live. I recorded it and have watched half of it and am debating whether to watch more. Without a live audience, it just seems to lack energy. And does anyone know how "live" it was -- were they really performing on a soundstage at the very moment that people tuned in on the east coast? I've also enjoyed today's discussion. I'm glad people have different opinions because it makes life interesting and educational! Yes, people on the east coast actually saw it performed live. |
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Post by murly on Dec 6, 2013 15:53:09 GMT -5
Nobody, including me, ever said that there isn't room for both Adam and Freddie in the world of music, or that everyone has to like Adam better. This began when cassie said that Adam is a better singer than Freddie, and adamme objected, saying that it's only cassie's opinion that Adam is better and not fair to compare the two because Freddie wasn't a trained singer. I was just pointing out that preference does not equal ability. No way in hell could Freddie have held that note in "Come to Me, Bend to Me"--y'all know the one I'm talking about--as steadily and beautifully as Adam did. I've never heard Freddie demonstrate the amazing control that Adam has. Nor does he have quite the range. These are objective--not subjective--criteria on which to judge the ability of a singer. Go ahead. Love Freddie with all your heart. Heck, I love Willie Nelson's singing, which is reedy and shows about as much range as a tea kettle. I love his emotional connection to the songs he sings--"Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain" gets me every time--but I'm not going to claim that he is a better singer than Adam or Freddie. No one is trying to suggest that anyone who isn't Adam should be drummed out of show business. Merely pointing out that Adam, by all objective criteria, is a superior vocalist to the vast majority of popular singers, including Freddie. Does it matter? Oh, probably not. But what's wrong with discussing it? Nothing wrong with discussing. But there is a difference between writing "I think...." or "My preference is..." versus "Merely pointing out that Adam, by all objective criteria, is a superior vocalist to the vast majority of popular singers, including Freddie." What objective criteria? Which performances? Do I compare Adam's most recent performance in Miami Beach to Freddie in Montreal 1981? I think we can all agree that is not a fair comparison. And the reverse (plucking a weak, poorly recorded Freddie performance vs. an HD video of Adam and Queen) is not fair either. I do not want to eliminate the emotional component. I do not want to be completely objective about art and performance. I also do not know how to be completely objective about Adam or Freddie. Love changes how we perceive things -- at least it does for me. Finally, while I agree that Adam is a superior vocalist to the vast majority of popular singers, I do not agree with the last part of your statement "including Freddie." So we will just have to agree to disagree. I believe I already listed the objective criteria. Range, control, power, versatility. I would never try to convince anyone to like one singer better than another singer. But I do think it's possible to say that one singer is technically better than another. I seem to recall many derisive comments about FUN's lead singer attempting the Queen song "Somebody to Love." I remember many comparisons to Adam's performances with Queen. Are we just supposed to pretend that all singers are equally good? |
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Post by melliemom on Dec 6, 2013 16:02:27 GMT -5
To clarify, this is for this season only? And 3 of the top 5 are from the Cory tribute episode! So having Roar and MTN in top 5 is quite a feat! Yes and Adam is in two of the top four.. Yippee |
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Post by nica575 on Dec 6, 2013 16:13:39 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with discussing. But there is a difference between writing "I think...." or "My preference is..." versus "Merely pointing out that Adam, by all objective criteria, is a superior vocalist to the vast majority of popular singers, including Freddie." What objective criteria? Which performances? Do I compare Adam's most recent performance in Miami Beach to Freddie in Montreal 1981? I think we can all agree that is not a fair comparison. And the reverse (plucking a weak, poorly recorded Freddie performance vs. an HD video of Adam and Queen) is not fair either. I do not want to eliminate the emotional component. I do not want to be completely objective about art and performance. I also do not know how to be completely objective about Adam or Freddie. Love changes how we perceive things -- at least it does for me. Finally, while I agree that Adam is a superior vocalist to the vast majority of popular singers, I do not agree with the last part of your statement "including Freddie." So we will just have to agree to disagree. I believe I already listed the objective criteria. Range, control, power, versatility. I would never try to convince anyone to like one singer better than another singer. But I do think it's possible to say that one singer is technically better than another. I seem to recall many derisive comments about FUN's lead singer attempting the Queen song "Somebody to Love." I remember many comparisons to Adam's performances with Queen. Are we just supposed to pretend that all singers are equally good? You know, from my observation it seems Freddie is "untouchable"... no one may voice ANY less than "he is a legend" opinion... I suppose his fans are so "aggressive" that they bullied everyone into submission... I am in awe of Queen SONGS, I am in awe of Brian May's guitar, I am not in awe of Freddie's singing - Thanks to Talon I educated myself a bit by following his awesome posts... Are there other singers in the same "no one will ever be better" category? IDK...Frank Sinatra (too far back)? If I say I see nothing special in his singing - will the masses bring their wrath upon me? ;)Or there is no claim re his vocal abilities and only "I feel him" type adoration? (Seriously, I never understood the roots of his fame). and now I will hide ![]() ![]() |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 16:15:11 GMT -5
Just a thought I've had for a few days thinking about seeing Adam at Winstar. I bet this is the end of Trespassing, its final performance at least with the entirety of the music from FYE and Trespassing. We will not only be ushering a year out and a new one in but also welcoming A3 into our lives. I have a feeling the concert will be off the wall considering Adam's current mood and his (perceived) sense of new found freedom!! I am hoping for some surprises from A3 or at the very least some cover that will be indicative of whatever sound he is currently working with for A3.
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Post by nica575 on Dec 6, 2013 16:20:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 16:31:52 GMT -5
So that was a fun blip. Where's the rest!!!! And why did you flip your image around? I would have thought you were playing left-handed but the writing on your shirt is flipped too. That's the only guitar part in the song!! It's flipped cause my webcam does that automatically idk why lol. But here's Sure Fire Winners to sate your desire for blips. No one on Youtube has covered this on an electric yet what's that about?? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 16:32:21 GMT -5
I believe I already listed the objective criteria. Range, control, power, versatility. I would never try to convince anyone to like one singer better than another singer. But I do think it's possible to say that one singer is technically better than another. I seem to recall many derisive comments about FUN's lead singer attempting the Queen song "Somebody to Love." I remember many comparisons to Adam's performances with Queen. Are we just supposed to pretend that all singers are equally good? You know, from my observation it seems Freddie is "untouchable"... no one may voice ANY less than "he is a legend" opinion... I suppose his fans are so "aggressive" that they bullied everyone into submission... I am in awe of Queen SONGS, I am in awe of Brian May's guitar, I am not in awe of Freddie's singing - Thanks to Talon I educated myself a bit by following his awesome posts... Are there other singers in the same "no one will ever be better" category? IDK...Frank Sinatra (too far back)? If I say I see nothing special in his singing - will the masses bring their wrath upon me? ;)Or there is no claim re his vocal abilities and only "I feel him" type adoration? (Seriously, I never understood the roots of his fame). and now I will hide ![]() ![]() "IMO" Sinatra and Elvis fans do not feel the need to do this because the status of these icons is secure. Sinatra was the first worldwide pop superstar. He is considered an incomparable interpreter of the "Great American Songbook," renowned for his phrasing and breath control, but it is more than that. He was an influence on literally everything that came after. Elvis, the same. Elvis had incredible versatility, soul, and power in his voice, but it is more than that. Elvis was transformative culturally. Freddie's fans seem to feel the need to be super-defensive, and I think it is because he does not leave this legacy. While amazing as an individual, Freddie stood alone in what he did. Queen was often dissed by critics in his lifetime, and even today their work outside of the stadium rock favorites is little known outside their own fandom. Moreover, his life was cut short by a highly stigmatized disease before sheer staying power might have overcome long-standing resistance, as it sometimes does. Look at how Nile is finally being honored, years after "Disco Sucks" has come and gone. Freddie's fans will never have that satisfaction. The story can never be completed. |
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