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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 2:02:40 GMT -5
ladymaserati8 YES....He...IS... our winner...![]()
edit: ps... that is one of my fav AI performances ladymaserati8...had to listen not once but twice...  ______________________________________________________________________________ As an aside: since this is titled a Glee thread...I viewed and fast forwarded through Glee ... At times I thought I was listening/watching to an ADULT "comedy" review...(played by the NYC crew)!
And what is the demographic bracket for GLEE?
Seriously...I really do not know. It sure struck me as the episode was pushing and stretching boundaries. Adam is our winner in everything he does for us, and we for him, we are his glamberts ..  stampsgal! my also, a favorite AI performances .. every time when I listen I have goosebumps ...   |
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Post by nica575 on Dec 6, 2013 2:03:09 GMT -5
Pretty OT, slightly mean-spirited rant. Scroll is your friend. But, seeing as we were discussing The Sound of Music and Carrie Underwood (tangentially related to Adam due to Idol, perhaps), I became interested in what the response was from critics, the media and the viewing public. Consensus is, Carrie can't act. Carrie can sing. It was live... what do you expect? Carrie is not Julie Andrews, but who is? Bravo to Carrie for making the attempt. That took guts. I can see the similarity to comments that Adam is not Freddie. Except that Adam COULD sing the hell outa the Queen songs. He could own the stage. He was DIFFERENT from Freddie. Audience members might prefer Freddie's style or mythology to Adam's. But Adam gave an incredible set of performances. On the other hand, Carrie was not exactly credible as a lead actress in an iconic, much loved musical, whether one was comparing her to Ms. Andrews, or to Mary Martin, or to the other two female leads in the production tonight. Her singing, while not cringe-worthy, was not up to the par one hears in professional musical theater. What ticked me off was the "pretty good for a live performance where anything could have gone wrong." Artists on Broadway and on stages across the country perform musicals LIVE eight shows a week. I have never seen a NY critic say, "The acting was poor, some of the singing was disappointing, but, hey, it was live, so you can't expect great acting and singing." Even worse to me were the "Bravo for the attempt" comments. WHAT? It reminded me of the infamous Danny Gokey "Dream On" debacle. Instead of telling Danny that his scream made tooth fillings ache and fall out around the country, the judges praised him for going for it. Why the condescending pat on the head? Why the "free pass" for an inadequate performance? Why do some performers get raked over the coals and lambasted while others get excused and presented with a ribbon for showing up? If we were talking about community theater, well, okay. I get it. These are your friends and neighbors doing their best to entertain and have a fun time. If we were talking about kids in a school play or recital, the fact that they just made it thru a scene or a song deserves an ice cream sundae after the show. If it's the Special Olympics we cheer and cry for the athletes for their extraordinary effort. This is prime-time, national broadcast television. "Good try" doesn't cut it. Carrie, do what you do best: sing country music. If you want to challenge yourself to do something new, something outside of the box, do it privately, or be prepared to have it critiqued honestly and even harshly. Critics, do your job, not based on whether you personally like the performer, whether you think they are sweet or nice or weird or wear too much make-up. Base your comments on the performance and the standards for shows of that caliber. Okay, I am thru with my rant. Maybe I should go back to discussing Adam singing Christmas carols? I watched about 15 mins, so my impression is very limited, but it seemed to me the acting was horrible all around, not just Carrie...but blaming her for taking the role is probably a bit misplaced. Someone had the idea she would SELL and others approved and hired her - those are the people who bare the responsibility IMO. It would be interesting to see the numbers and their progression over the whole time slot. I am sure her fans loved the show, and supposedly she has lots of fans... As far as comparison with Adam-Freddie situation I totally agree. The difference is that Adam is a better singer than Freddie and he has formidable stage presence, where as comparing Carrie to JA is silly - either as an actress or as a singer.... IMO both Adam and Carrie ARE BRAVE taking on their respective roles... |
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Post by nica575 on Dec 6, 2013 2:07:38 GMT -5
Alex Anders @alxanders 6h
@adamlambert Working on one of your songs right now, and I just have to say that you are ridiculous. So good! Privilege to work with you.
Adam Lambert @adamlambert 9m
@alxanders thanks man!!!!
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Post by cassie on Dec 6, 2013 2:24:09 GMT -5
I watched about 15 mins, so my impression is very limited, but it seemed to me the acting was horrible all around, not just Carrie...but blaming her for taking the role is probably a bit misplaced. Someone had the idea she would SELL and others approved and hired her - those are the people who bare the responsibility IMO. It would be interesting to see the numbers and their progression over the whole time slot. I am sure her fans loved the show, and supposedly she has lots of fans... As far as comparison with Adam-Freddie situation I totally agree. The difference is that Adam is a better singer than Freddie and he has formidable stage presence, where as comparing Carrie to JA is silly - either as an actress or as a singer.... IMO both Adam and Carrie ARE BRAVE taking on their respective roles... Yeah, there was plenty of blame to be passed around. I was not familiar with the male lead, Stephen something-or-other, but I looked him up. I guess he is a movie darling. He says he has been in lots of musicals over the years. Maybe so, but he isn't a singer, and I thought his acting was rather wooden. Critics liked the kids, but, meh to me. I also agree that the producers and casting directors who thought Carrie Underwood would sell the project --- which is probably true, it probably would not have seen the light of day without a big name like Carrie --- are responsible for the results. But, so is Carrie. She knows the words, "Thank you for the offer. It is flattering, but.... no." She knows her limitations as an actress, and as a musical theater singer. Or I would hope she would. Adam and Carrie are brave to do what they do. Actually, any performer putting themselves out there on stage, or creating a work of art, or writing a book or a song and releasing it is incredibly brave. When I was a young whippersnapper, many folks assumed I would go into music performance as a career. I loved creating music, but I did not have the courage to perform. I was miserable before a performance. Rehearsals, singing, acting, playing.... that was fun! In front of a crowd? Nuh-uh. Not for me. Adam gets an adrenaline rush on stage. I just want to puke. I expect performers to be brave. I respect them for it. I just don't see it as a valid critique of a performance. IMHO. |
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Post by butterfly on Dec 6, 2013 2:30:08 GMT -5
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Post by 4Ms on Dec 6, 2013 2:38:34 GMT -5
Both Adam and Alex Anders are from Sweden. I'd guess they're related. |
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Post by eri9 on Dec 6, 2013 2:53:40 GMT -5
Pretty OT, slightly mean-spirited rant. Scroll is your friend. But, seeing as we were discussing The Sound of Music and Carrie Underwood (tangentially related to Adam due to Idol, perhaps), I became interested in what the response was from critics, the media and the viewing public. Consensus is, Carrie can't act. Carrie can sing. It was live... what do you expect? Carrie is not Julie Andrews, but who is? Bravo to Carrie for making the attempt. That took guts. I can see the similarity to comments that Adam is not Freddie. Except that Adam COULD sing the hell outa the Queen songs. He could own the stage. He was DIFFERENT from Freddie. Audience members might prefer Freddie's style or mythology to Adam's. But Adam gave an incredible set of performances. On the other hand, Carrie was not exactly credible as a lead actress in an iconic, much loved musical, whether one was comparing her to Ms. Andrews, or to Mary Martin, or to the other two female leads in the production tonight. Her singing, while not cringe-worthy, was not up to the par one hears in professional musical theater. What ticked me off was the "pretty good for a live performance where anything could have gone wrong." Artists on Broadway and on stages across the country perform musicals LIVE eight shows a week. I have never seen a NY critic say, "The acting was poor, some of the singing was disappointing, but, hey, it was live, so you can't expect great acting and singing." Even worse to me were the "Bravo for the attempt" comments. WHAT? It reminded me of the infamous Danny Gokey "Dream On" debacle. Instead of telling Danny that his scream made tooth fillings ache and fall out around the country, the judges praised him for going for it. Why the condescending pat on the head? Why the "free pass" for an inadequate performance? Why do some performers get raked over the coals and lambasted while others get excused and presented with a ribbon for showing up? If we were talking about community theater, well, okay. I get it. These are your friends and neighbors doing their best to entertain and have a fun time. If we were talking about kids in a school play or recital, the fact that they just made it thru a scene or a song deserves an ice cream sundae after the show. If it's the Special Olympics we cheer and cry for the athletes for their extraordinary effort. This is prime-time, national broadcast television. "Good try" doesn't cut it. Carrie, do what you do best: sing country music. If you want to challenge yourself to do something new, something outside of the box, do it privately, or be prepared to have it critiqued honestly and even harshly. Critics, do your job, not based on whether you personally like the performer, whether you think they are sweet or nice or weird or wear too much make-up. Base your comments on the performance and the standards for shows of that caliber. Okay, I am thru with my rant. Maybe I should go back to discussing Adam singing Christmas carols? Living in NZ I haven't seen this Sound of Music live.... and not sure I want to.... this was my first musical I ever knew - I can remember knowing every word of every song from the age of about 4! I so get everything you are saying Cassie! Reminded me of the debacle that was Nick Jonas in the 25th anniversary concert of Les Miserables. Ok pop voice I guess (I don't actually know, LOL) but he was SO far out of his depth it was beyond cringe-worthy and one of my all time favourite musicals was spoiled somewhat.... I guess he was a "name" to try and draw in the younger demographic, but it was a major fail. I need to go and search out some reviews to see what was said about him. I will spare you the agony of bringing that performance here tho! :D And to bring it back to Adam - there are so many musical theatre songs I'd kill to hear him perform, and Bring Him Home & Empty Chairs from Les Mis are in the top few on that list! |
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Post by augenpoesie on Dec 6, 2013 2:55:09 GMT -5
Happy Birthday babs and rama! And "Frohen Nikolaus" to all who celebrate it!   |
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Post by revlisacat on Dec 6, 2013 3:21:28 GMT -5
Cassie --
Brava! Before I got to the section where you wrote participation ribbon, I actually thought the same thing. Carrie is pretty, has a good voice, and she looks wholesome. On the other hand, she really doesn't do the part justice and doesn't have that "spark" the role needs. Maria needs to be feisty, and that's probably the last word I would use with Carrie. Just my opinion.
Stephen Moyer (male lead) is one of the stars of the show True Blood--I didn't even know he could sing.
I am glad that Adam is so picky with what he does--I would imagine he has been offered a number of things he has turned down. He has very good self-insight as a performer, and good instincts as well. I expect that when he does a musical for TV (or screen), he will own the role.
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Post by 4Ms on Dec 6, 2013 3:35:34 GMT -5
Comparing a childhood memory of the movie version with the live performance of Sound of Music is not really fair. I know I would have done it anyway. I couldn't bring myself to watch the show last night, so I can't offer a critique.
Newsday.com
'The Sound of Music' movie and play: '16 Going On 17' things you probably didn't know
Thursday December 5, 2013 10:01 PM By Kaydi Poirier
www.newsday.com/entertainment/pop-cult-1.811972/the-sound-of-music-movie-and-play-16-going-on-17-things-you-probably-didn-t-know-1.6547036
Think you're the biggest "Sound of Music" superfan? Test your knowledge with these golden trivia nuggets you may or may not have known about the play, the movie and the actors, as you anxiously await the broadcast of NBC's special, airing at 8 p.m. live from Grumman Studios in Bethpage.
1. Julie Andrews was in the middle of filming "Mary Poppins" (1964) when she was offered the role of Maria.
2. As of 2013, "The Sound of Music" is the third-highest-grossing film of all time at the U.S. box office, adjusted for inflation. (Behind "Gone With the Wind," at No. 1, and "Star Wars.")
3. The Broadway play was the final musical written by Rodgers and Hammerstein; Oscar Hammerstein II died of cancer nine months after the premiere.
4. Christopher Plummer (who played Captain von Trapp in the film) called it "The Sound of Mucus." During shooting, he was afraid the movie would "run overboard and become very mawkish and sentimental," he later told Oprah Winfrey.
5. Director Robert Wise ("West Side Story") initially declined to direct the movie when father-and-son producers Darryl and Richard Zanuck asked him but eventually took the project when their second choice, William Wyler ("Roman Holiday"), dropped out.
6. Wise interviewed more than 200 children to cast the Von Trapp siblings, including a young Richard Dreyfuss, Kurt Russell and Mia Farrow.
7. Charmian Carr was actually 21 when she played 16-going-on-17 Liesl, and has said she had a huge crush on Plummer, who played her father.
8. Plummer, in turn, had a crush on co-star Julie Andrews after "falling in love with her" while watching "My Fair Lady" on Broadway.
9. Kym Karath, who played youngest Von Trapp child, Gretl, was the only one who couldn't swim. While filming the rowboat scene, she swallowed a lot of water and vomited all over Heather Menzies-Urich, who played Louisa.
10. Growing pains were, well, a pain for filmmakers during shooting: Karath and Debbie Turner (who played Marta) both lost their front teeth, and Nicholas Hammond (Friedrich) grew six inches in six months.
11. Peggy Wood's final screen appearance was as the gentle, wise Mother Abbess in "The Sound Of Music" film in 1965.
12. Wood was a member of the original Algonquin Round Table group of authors, critics and actors which met daily during the 1920s and 1930s at the Algonquin Hotel in midtown Manhattan.
13. At least two of the actors who played major characters did not actually sing in the movie. Christopher Plummer's singing voice was dubbed by Bill Lee, and Peggy Wood's was dubbed by Margery McKay. (That didn't keep Wood from being nominated for a best supporting actress Academy Award.)
14. Mary Martin -- the inaugural Maria, who won a Tony Award for the role during her stint from the Broadway play's debut on Nov. 16, 1959, until October 1961 -- was the mother of late "Dallas" star Larry Hagman.
15. Martin also played Peter Pan in the 1954 Broadway production, and several NBC TV movies between 1955 and 1960.
16. The real-life Baroness Maria Von Trapp fell from a tree and broke her arm while coaching Martin for the role.
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