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Post by nic42 on Dec 6, 2013 7:36:15 GMT -5
Please! help me to understand aleksandra twitter .  .. I want to help if I can, she is our girl and Adam too ... ![]() What I understand (but I am not a native speaker either): She has personal difficulties, that she doesn't really talk about She has had difficulties with a person / persons that were hateful online And she doesn't have any internet connection at the moment, since she doesn't have any money All in all, she sounded very sad. I would like to know how I can help as well. Does anybody have an idea? |
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Post by LindaG23 on Dec 6, 2013 7:39:46 GMT -5
Please! help me to understand aleksandra twitter . .. I want to help if I can, she is our girl and Adam too ... - I am going to keep this very simple, much simpler than aleks's elegant prose deserves, but she is saying essentially two things. First, she has not had an internet connection for the past month because she is broke but she was able to send out this twitlonger from her job. I hope that means her financial situation will improve and she does say that she will get internet back next month. Second, and this is the part which is making her very sad, she is being verbally attacked by someone through social media (twitter, facebook, instagram, etc.) who has opened an account just for this purpose. She is trying to figure out how to cope with having a "hater troll" and it is difficult emotionally. She writes about it because that is the way Aleks processes information best. I hope this helps ladymaserati, I didn't want to leave you out there alone. |
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Post by adamme on Dec 6, 2013 7:40:35 GMT -5
Pretty OT, slightly mean-spirited rant. Scroll is your friend. But, seeing as we were discussing The Sound of Music and Carrie Underwood (tangentially related to Adam due to Idol, perhaps), I became interested in what the response was from critics, the media and the viewing public. Consensus is, Carrie can't act. Carrie can sing. It was live... what do you expect? Carrie is not Julie Andrews, but who is? Bravo to Carrie for making the attempt. That took guts. I can see the similarity to comments that Adam is not Freddie. Except that Adam COULD sing the hell outa the Queen songs. He could own the stage. He was DIFFERENT from Freddie. Audience members might prefer Freddie's style or mythology to Adam's. But Adam gave an incredible set of performances. On the other hand, Carrie was not exactly credible as a lead actress in an iconic, much loved musical, whether one was comparing her to Ms. Andrews, or to Mary Martin, or to the other two female leads in the production tonight. Her singing, while not cringe-worthy, was not up to the par one hears in professional musical theater. What ticked me off was the "pretty good for a live performance where anything could have gone wrong." Artists on Broadway and on stages across the country perform musicals LIVE eight shows a week. I have never seen a NY critic say, "The acting was poor, some of the singing was disappointing, but, hey, it was live, so you can't expect great acting and singing." Even worse to me were the "Bravo for the attempt" comments. WHAT? It reminded me of the infamous Danny Gokey "Dream On" debacle. Instead of telling Danny that his scream made tooth fillings ache and fall out around the country, the judges praised him for going for it. Why the condescending pat on the head? Why the "free pass" for an inadequate performance? Why do some performers get raked over the coals and lambasted while others get excused and presented with a ribbon for showing up? If we were talking about community theater, well, okay. I get it. These are your friends and neighbors doing their best to entertain and have a fun time. If we were talking about kids in a school play or recital, the fact that they just made it thru a scene or a song deserves an ice cream sundae after the show. If it's the Special Olympics we cheer and cry for the athletes for their extraordinary effort. This is prime-time, national broadcast television. "Good try" doesn't cut it. Carrie, do what you do best: sing country music. If you want to challenge yourself to do something new, something outside of the box, do it privately, or be prepared to have it critiqued honestly and even harshly. Critics, do your job, not based on whether you personally like the performer, whether you think they are sweet or nice or weird or wear too much make-up. Base your comments on the performance and the standards for shows of that caliber. Okay, I am thru with my rant. Maybe I should go back to discussing Adam singing Christmas carols? I watched about 15 mins, so my impression is very limited, but it seemed to me the acting was horrible all around, not just Carrie...but blaming her for taking the role is probably a bit misplaced. Someone had the idea she would SELL and others approved and hired her - those are the people who bare the responsibility IMO. It would be interesting to see the numbers and their progression over the whole time slot. I am sure her fans loved the show, and supposedly she has lots of fans... As far as comparison with Adam-Freddie situation I totally agree. The difference is that Adam is a better singer than Freddie and he has formidable stage presence, where as comparing Carrie to JA is silly - either as an actress or as a singer.... IMO both Adam and Carrie ARE BRAVE taking on their respective roles... I think you should ad in here, "in your opinion",  . I love Adam and I love Freddie and I don't like to say one is better than the other, but I like to remind peeps that Freddie is not a trained singer (classical or not), and he's that good and famous with his vocal ability and his range . His voice and stage present touched/es millions and millions people around the world for years even now. Imagine if he got all those years of vocal training that Adam got. We don't want to say that Freddie's a better piano player or guitar player (or other instruments player that he's able to play) than Adam, coz it's not fair because Adam's not a trained pianist.  |
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Post by shimoli710 on Dec 6, 2013 8:17:03 GMT -5
Please! help me to understand aleksandra twitter . .. I want to help if I can, she is our girl and Adam too ... - I am going to keep this very simple, much simpler than aleks's elegant prose deserves, but she is saying essentially two things. First, she has not had an internet connection for the past month because she is broke but she was able to send out this twitlonger from her job. I hope that means her financial situation will improve and she does say that she will get internet back next month. Second, and this is the part which is making her very sad, she is being verbally attacked by someone through social media (twitter, facebook, instagram, etc.) who has opened an account just for this purpose. She is trying to figure out how to cope with having a "hater troll" and it is difficult emotionally. She writes about it because that is the way Aleks processes information best. I hope this helps ladymaserati, I didn't want to leave you out there alone. This is how I understand that twit-longer massage too. It's so sad. Poor Aleksandra. :( But I don't have a clue how to help her. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 8:21:11 GMT -5
I think you should ad in here, "in your opinion", . I love Adam and I love Freddie and I don't like to say one is better than the other, but I like to remind peeps that Freddie is not a trained singer (classical or not), and he's that good and famous with his vocal ability and his range . His voice and stage present touched/es millions and millions people around the world for years even now. Imagine if he got all those years of vocal training that Adam got. I agree re: Adam and Freddie but I don't think Freddie having training would've made him a better singer per se just different. Most of my favourite singers are untrained actually and I don't think the whole concept of "training" the voice is as make or break as people say cause every voice is different. If someone has been a professional singer for a length of time then it means that by whatever means they've brought out the potential of their voice without destroying it. For every untrained singer who's been unlucky and blown out their voice there's a trained singer who played it too safe and has nothing unique going for them. Even Adam uses a lot of techniques that I'm pretty sure his high school teacher didn't teach him like distortion and super-belt. As long as singers evoke strong emotions in people they're doing it right imo, and even "destroyed" voices can do that. |
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Post by nica575 on Dec 6, 2013 8:29:31 GMT -5
ladymaserati - I am going to keep this very simple, much simpler than aleks's elegant prose deserves, but she is saying essentially two things. First, she has not had an internet connection for the past month because she is broke but she was able to send out this twitlonger from her job. I hope that means her financial situation will improve and she does say that she will get internet back next month. Second, and this is the part which is making her very sad, she is being verbally attacked by someone through social media (twitter, facebook, instagram, etc.) who has opened an account just for this purpose. She is trying to figure out how to cope with having a "hater troll" and it is difficult emotionally. She writes about it because that is the way Aleks processes information best. I hope this helps ladymaserati, I didn't want to leave you out there alone. This is how I understand that twit-longer massage too. It's so sad. Poor Aleksandra. :( But I don't have a clue how to help her. I don't know how to help either, but I am thinking messages of support can't hurt... I DMed Alex, hope she has internet access soon...One obviously needs thick skin to "survive" online, too many psychos out there.... |
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Post by wal on Dec 6, 2013 8:58:01 GMT -5
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Post by bullsfan on Dec 6, 2013 9:15:40 GMT -5
I think you should ad in here, "in your opinion", . I love Adam and I love Freddie and I don't like to say one is better than the other, but I like to remind peeps that Freddie is not a trained singer (classical or not), and he's that good and famous with his vocal ability and his range . His voice and stage present touched/es millions and millions people around the world for years even now. Imagine if he got all those years of vocal training that Adam got. I agree re: Adam and Freddie but I don't think Freddie having training would've made him a better singer per se just different. Most of my favourite singers are untrained actually and I don't think the whole concept of "training" the voice is as make or break as people say cause every voice is different. If someone has been a professional singer for a length of time then it means that by whatever means they've brought out the potential of their voice without destroying it. For every untrained singer who's been unlucky and blown out their voice there's a trained singer who played it too safe and has nothing unique going for them. Even Adam uses a lot of techniques that I'm pretty sure his high school teacher didn't teach him like distortion and super-belt. As long as singers evoke strong emotions in people they're doing it right imo, and even "destroyed" voices can do that. LOVE this post! I just had to say that.  For the most part, my favorite singers are all untrained. Eta---I am not a Carrie fan, but she has a beautiful voice and sounded great last night. I would never fault someone for trying something so clearly out of their comfort zone. While the whole SOML thing was really not my thing (although my mom LOVED it) Carrie is the only reason this concept even saw the light of day on national TV. |
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Post by nica575 on Dec 6, 2013 9:39:35 GMT -5
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Post by Holst on Dec 6, 2013 10:01:02 GMT -5
I watched about 15 mins, so my impression is very limited, but it seemed to me the acting was horrible all around, not just Carrie...but blaming her for taking the role is probably a bit misplaced. Someone had the idea she would SELL and others approved and hired her - those are the people who bare the responsibility IMO. It would be interesting to see the numbers and their progression over the whole time slot. I am sure her fans loved the show, and supposedly she has lots of fans... As far as comparison with Adam-Freddie situation I totally agree. The difference is that Adam is a better singer than Freddie and he has formidable stage presence, where as comparing Carrie to JA is silly - either as an actress or as a singer.... IMO both Adam and Carrie ARE BRAVE taking on their respective roles... I think you should ad in here, "in your opinion", . I love Adam and I love Freddie and I don't like to say one is better than the other, but I like to remind peeps that Freddie is not a trained singer (classical or not), and he's that good and famous with his vocal ability and his range . His voice and stage present touched/es millions and millions people around the world for years even now. Imagine if he got all those years of vocal training that Adam got. We don't want to say that Freddie's a better piano player or guitar player (or other instruments player that he's able to play) than Adam, coz it's not fair because Adam's not a trained pianist. Hi Adamme, I'm enjoying this discussion, but I agree with Cassie. When Cassie or me or anyone says that Adam is a better singer, that is our opinion. I don't think a writer needs to put IMO by every opinion they write. Unless a person is quoting someone else, their writing is implicitly their opinion. In this case, there is no conclusive data to back the statement because it is a matter of personal taste. And I agree with Cassie's opinion based on some vocal techniques and personal preferences. I'm reminded of the iTunes podcast that someone posted a couple days ago by a British guy who was ranting (and I mean ranting) about the horribleness of Queen performing with Adam, a lowly singing contest creation. I listened to the entire podcast with my jaw dropping. However, I'm not too concerned about the guy as he reminds me of someone who lives in a basement somewhere and spews opinions--whatever. Anyway, at one point he said something like "who would you want to hear sing this..." and then played an excerpt of Freddie and then of Adam singing the same thing. To me the better singer was painfully obvious, and it wasn't Freddie. He was a bit out of tune; Adam wasn't. Both voices were strong, yes they were. Freddie's vibrato is weak and a bit unsteady; not Adam's. That is not to say that Freddie is a poor singer, but that example showed that Adam is very worthy of singing with Queen. Regarding your last sentence, I have have no problem saying that Freddie is a better pianist than Adam. Adam apparently plays piano as well as I do, which is to say I know what the notes are and can play with two fingers. Same with guitar--I can play a few chords. I don't practice either instrument and don't want to; therefore, I am untrained and unpracticed. Adam has said he doesn't play these instruments, so Freddie plays better. That would be a fact, not opinion. Perhaps there are different notions about what the term "trained" means. In the music world, it means that a person has studied their art with a teacher/coach for a number of years and has practiced for regular lessons/coaching sessions. There are people who sing and play instruments who are not trained, that is, "self-taught," and I think it is fair to compare them with people who are if they are out their trying to earn a living in music. Many jazz and rock musicians are self-taught and are great musicians. My own brother is self-taught and is a most fabulous musician. The many trained classical musicians in my family admire his guitar playing--a lot. I have no problem comparing him with trained musicians. He practices hard (more than many trained musicians), has learned from other musician here and there, listens to recordings, etc. All good, self-taught musicians do this. Untrained musicians often bring something to a performance that a trained musician doesn't, or play a different style. Boy, that was long.  |
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.. I want to help if I can, she is our girl and Adam too ...
. I love Adam and I love Freddie and I don't like to say one is better than the other, but I like to remind peeps that Freddie is not a trained singer (classical or not), and he's that good and famous with his vocal ability and his range . His voice and stage present touched/es millions and millions people around the world for years even now. Imagine if he got all those years of vocal training that Adam got. We don't want to say that Freddie's a better piano player or guitar player (or other instruments player that he's able to play) than Adam, coz it's not fair because Adam's not a trained pianist. 
