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Post by FanOfTheMan on Dec 6, 2013 10:44:44 GMT -5
I applaud Carrie. I think she did a very credible job against insurmountable odds. I appreciated her acting and I think her vocals were exquisite and beautiful. Julie Andrews has grown into a legend in this role. I didn't care for Julie's performance so I'm not comparing the two. Julie was just too perfect and goody-goody and cloying in the role, IMO. But to some, no other actress/singer would ever be good enough.
I am a "Gone With The Wind" fan, and to me, Vivian Leigh owns the role of Scarlett. No other actress, ever, should play that role. Vivian Leigh IS Scarlett. I guess that is how many view Julie Andrews in SOM. I guess that is how so many Freddie fans feel about Adam singing with Queen. So in a way, I can understand.
I hope Carrie builds on this performance and totally ignores anonymous haters. Take what is good advice and critique from legitimate critics, and ignore the jerks and unqualified armchair critics who thrive on hate and tearing people down. I hope she continues to expand and explore and grow her career.
So Bravo Carrie! It took much courage to take on this role, and I applaud you.
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Post by murly on Dec 6, 2013 10:51:52 GMT -5
Freddie is a legend whose voice inspired/inspires Adam and countless others who make music their lives. I think Adam would be put off to see his fans claim he's better than Freddie. There is and will always be only one Freddie Mercury. You're talking about Freddie the legend, not Freddie the singer. Yes, there will always be only one Freddie Mercury, but there will also be only one Adam Lambert, and Adam Lambert is an amazing singer. It's legitimate to compare the specific criteria that define good singers--range, control, pitch, versatility, among others--and conclude that Adam is a better singer. Anyone has the right to prefer Freddie Mercury, but that doesn't necessarily make him the better singer. I actually had a similar argument with someone in the comments of Huffington Post once. I said Adam just may be the best voice in popular music today. He (I think it was a he) basically said that it's impossible to say anyone is the best singer because it depends on whom you like. Ridiculous. That's like saying if you prefer to listen to Taylor Swift rather than opera singer Beverly Sills, that means that for you Taylor Swift is the better singer. Fact is, even if you dearly love Taylor Swift and wouldn't listen to opera if it were the last music on earth, Swift is not that great of a singer and has nowhere near the ability of Beverly Sills. That's just a fact. I think anyone comparing Freddie's singing to Adam's would have to conclude that Adam has the edge in ability even if the listener prefers Freddie's style. |
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Post by 4Ms on Dec 6, 2013 10:52:23 GMT -5
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Post by butterfly on Dec 6, 2013 10:54:35 GMT -5
I applaud Carrie. I think she did a very credible job against insurmountable odds. Julie Andrews has grown into a legend in this role. I didn't care for Julie's performance so I'm not comparing the two. Julie was just too perfect and goody-goody and cloying in the role, IMO. But to some, no other actress/singer would ever be good enough. I am a "Gone With The Wind" fan, and to me, Vivian Leigh owns the role of Scarlett. No other actress, ever, should play that role. Vivian Leigh IS Scarlett. I guess that is how many view Julie Andrews in SOM. I hope Carrie builds on this performance and totally ignores anonymous haters. Take what is good advice and critique from legitimate critics, and ignore the jerks who thrive on hate and tearing people down. I hope she continues to expand and explore and grow her career. So Bravo Carrie!  ![]() You hit the nail on the head! (Even I could ever imagine (or accepted) for anyone else to play Scarlett!) |
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Post by mszue on Dec 6, 2013 10:59:18 GMT -5
Is it salient that Alek's bio claims gender as Male? Then there is, later, a short tag line "in drag" I would really hope there is some way we could support her
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 11:09:09 GMT -5
Cassie, I absolutely loved your post about Carrie in the Sound of Music. I did not watch any of it but completely understand your point about not giving her a pass simply because she tried--and the frustrations at the inequities of how these passes are handed out. Carrie isn't as an experienced an actor as Julie Andrews was so judge her differently?! I don't get that at all. Hey, if I braved it (and got paid heavily for it ) would my subpar performance be excused because I tried?
IMO arguing that Freddie was not a trained musician thus can't be compared to Adam is just supporting Cassie's first argument about the sliding scale of judgement. Freddie was awesome both vocally and as a performer. I can understand how some could say they prefer him to Adam, how he moves them more than Adam does, even how they like his voice more than Adam's. But I certainly think when Cassie says Adam is a better singer, and can site why, she shouldn't have to say "in my opinion". Can't Freddie be someone's favorite artist without being called the best? Or can't he NOT be someone's favorite artist without hearing his defense? Pardon this crazy analogy but, I may get goose bumps when I hear the song Weekend in New England, but I would never say Barry Manilow has a very good voice (and neither would he). But I respect his fans and leave it at that. Freddie was too good for fans not to keep it real.
Long live Freddie! Long live Julie Andrews! And long live all those who follow (in their own way) their footprints!
eta- what murly said.
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Post by Q3 on Dec 6, 2013 11:10:45 GMT -5
Pretty OT, slightly mean-spirited rant. Scroll is your friend. But, seeing as we were discussing The Sound of Music and Carrie Underwood (tangentially related to Adam due to Idol, perhaps), I became interested in what the response was from critics, the media and the viewing public. Consensus is, Carrie can't act. Carrie can sing. It was live... what do you expect? Carrie is not Julie Andrews, but who is? Bravo to Carrie for making the attempt. That took guts. I can see the similarity to comments that Adam is not Freddie. Except that Adam COULD sing the hell outa the Queen songs. He could own the stage. He was DIFFERENT from Freddie. Audience members might prefer Freddie's style or mythology to Adam's. But Adam gave an incredible set of performances. On the other hand, Carrie was not exactly credible as a lead actress in an iconic, much loved musical, whether one was comparing her to Ms. Andrews, or to Mary Martin, or to the other two female leads in the production tonight. Her singing, while not cringe-worthy, was not up to the par one hears in professional musical theater. What ticked me off was the "pretty good for a live performance where anything could have gone wrong." Artists on Broadway and on stages across the country perform musicals LIVE eight shows a week. I have never seen a NY critic say, "The acting was poor, some of the singing was disappointing, but, hey, it was live, so you can't expect great acting and singing." Even worse to me were the "Bravo for the attempt" comments. WHAT? It reminded me of the infamous Danny Gokey "Dream On" debacle. Instead of telling Danny that his scream made tooth fillings ache and fall out around the country, the judges praised him for going for it. Why the condescending pat on the head? Why the "free pass" for an inadequate performance? Why do some performers get raked over the coals and lambasted while others get excused and presented with a ribbon for showing up? If we were talking about community theater, well, okay. I get it. These are your friends and neighbors doing their best to entertain and have a fun time. If we were talking about kids in a school play or recital, the fact that they just made it thru a scene or a song deserves an ice cream sundae after the show. If it's the Special Olympics we cheer and cry for the athletes for their extraordinary effort. This is prime-time, national broadcast television. "Good try" doesn't cut it. Carrie, do what you do best: sing country music. If you want to challenge yourself to do something new, something outside of the box, do it privately, or be prepared to have it critiqued honestly and even harshly. Critics, do your job, not based on whether you personally like the performer, whether you think they are sweet or nice or weird or wear too much make-up. Base your comments on the performance and the standards for shows of that caliber. Okay, I am thru with my rant. Maybe I should go back to discussing Adam singing Christmas carols? I watched about 15 mins, so my impression is very limited, but it seemed to me the acting was horrible all around, not just Carrie...but blaming her for taking the role is probably a bit misplaced. Someone had the idea she would SELL and others approved and hired her - those are the people who bare the responsibility IMO. It would be interesting to see the numbers and their progression over the whole time slot. I am sure her fans loved the show, and supposedly she has lots of fans... As far as comparison with Adam-Freddie situation I totally agree. The difference is that Adam is a better singer than Freddie and he has formidable stage presence, where as comparing Carrie to JA is silly - either as an actress or as a singer.... IMO both Adam and Carrie ARE BRAVE taking on their respective roles... I do not think Adam and Carrie have anything in common and the situation is quite different. I watched the last 45 minutes of SOML and I believe that Carrie's management did her a big disservice letting her do this show. She is neither a stage performer or an accomplished actress -- and it showed. She was not equipped to pull this off. There are many people who could have played this role and who have the training and background. Even some who are famous enough to "star" in a production like this -- Lea Michele, Anne Hathaway, and so on. But I think the entire idea was a bit braindead -- people "love" the movie version of SOM, not the stage version. And looking at Twitter, most people do not even know the show. >> It will be forgotten by many in a day or two -- except that no one is recruiting Carrie for a Broadway show. On the discussion of Freddie vs. Adam -- I think they are incomparable but "better" is a meaningless term to me. What does that mean? Better at what? I have seen both perform many times, and the only comparison I will make is that Adam is taller than Freddie. Here is the vocal from Under Pressure (a capella) -- Freddie and David Bowie -- and IMO they are both uniquely gifted vocalists. www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMQb9LCNGxs |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 11:14:26 GMT -5
Is it salient that Alek's bio claims gender as Male? Then there is, later, a short tag line "in drag" I would really hope there is some way we could support her She had that "in drag" line for a while. I think just being funny from better times? I really do think that some of the friendships we have made online are very real. Realer than some in the non-virtual world. But these are the times when you realize the limitations of it. You can't pick up the phone, or take the person out for coffee, or really do anything because you don't even know their damn name and even if you did, they live in another country a world away. About the trolling ... that scares the crap out of me too. Anyone who blogs or in anyway tries to distinguish themselves can become a target. I have read that some 8% of the population has a diagnosable mental disorder. Even taking away the large number that must be depression and OCD and the like ... where does that leave us? If Adam has, say, 2 million followers, there could be tens of thousands who are thuggish or even dangerous. Just one could make your life hell, could rob you of everything that was joyous and special to you in being a fan. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 11:18:51 GMT -5
I think you should ad in here, "in your opinion",  . I love Adam and I love Freddie and I don't like to say one is better than the other, but I like to remind peeps that Freddie is not a trained singer (classical or not), and he's that good and famous with his vocal ability and his range . His voice and stage present touched/es millions and millions people around the world for years even now. Imagine if he got all those years of vocal training that Adam got. I agree re: Adam and Freddie but I don't think Freddie having training would've made him a better singer per se just different. Most of my favourite singers are untrained actually and I don't think the whole concept of "training" the voice is as make or break as people say cause every voice is different. If someone has been a professional singer for a length of time then it means that by whatever means they've brought out the potential of their voice without destroying it. For every untrained singer who's been unlucky and blown out their voice there's a trained singer who played it too safe and has nothing unique going for them. Even Adam uses a lot of techniques that I'm pretty sure his high school teacher didn't teach him like distortion and super-belt. As long as singers evoke strong emotions in people they're doing it right imo, and even "destroyed" voices can do that.That says it perfectly - I have no interest in comparing Freddie and Adam, or Carrie and Julie, or a myriad of other singers. If they make me stop and listen and enjoy the moment, that is all I ask. My iPod music list is eclectic, to say the least. I love musicals. I watched a bit of SOM but meh - I don't enjoy Carrie's singing style (and in general her chosen musical genre) and it didn't work for me. Much like the voice of the man who sang Valjean on Broadway is like nails on a blackboard - different strokes.  |
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Post by ljsmack on Dec 6, 2013 11:42:14 GMT -5
Juniemoon, thank you for the Art Garfunkel this morning. I hope Aleks and everyone else that needs the song today will benefit. I have a twitter account, but don't tweet, so anyone who does, please let her know I am sending positive thoughts her way. She richly deserves them!
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. I love Adam and I love Freddie and I don't like to say one is better than the other, but I like to remind peeps that Freddie is not a trained singer (classical or not), and he's that good and famous with his vocal ability and his range . His voice and stage present touched/es millions and millions people around the world for years even now. Imagine if he got all those years of vocal training that Adam got. 
