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Post by Craazyforadam on Dec 7, 2013 12:13:05 GMT -5
I love this representation of Adam vocal range -- and the use of "Runnin" which is my fav track from Trespassing. I do too. Thanks Eri9, for this chart. Now, if I may add to this discussion, if you think of the traditional ranges for classical singers: Tenor (highest of the male voice ranges) : C3 - C5 Alto (lowest female range) : E3 - E5 (E is two white keys higher than C) Mezzo Soprano: G3 - G5 (another two keys higher than E) Soprano: all the way up to C6
Then you can see, that Adam covers the complete tenor range, the complete alto range, the complete mezzo soprano range and he sings way into the upper ranges of the soprano range.
There are many classically trained singers who have a 3 octave range, even though their parts only require the usage of a part of what they have. But there are not many men, whose range sits as high as Adam's and yet they still sound masculine.
It is fascinating to me to see right now the comparison to Kurt, who also has a very high voice, but sounds more female in tonality, and I am looking forward to hearing the J. Hawkins song sung by the two of them, because it should show their range as well as skill, their tonality and how they each choose to use their voices for this particular song. I think it will be quite interesting, at least I hope so.
Adam has choices on HOW he employs his voice, he can sing with many different kinds of tonalities, even in a high range like E5 or F5, and he has full control over them, and therefore can use them at liberty, as interpretive tools. I don't believe that Kurt has that ability, even though he can sing beautifully.
Now, Freddie had quite a bit of this ability too. His variety lay more in his lower register though, not so much high up, where Adam has it, and yes, it is probably true that his range is in total bigger than even Adam's, even though that chart that was posted yesterday of 12 or so singers, does imo not show either Freddie nor Adam correctly. Eri9's chart here is what I have so far heard from Adam as well. The other chart has inflated ranges for quite a few singers, not sure what they are using as their basis. It's fine, if all you want to show that Adam can swim with all the big fish, but I think, that is where the usefulness of that chart ends.
To add my 2 cents worth on the Freddie discussion. I do think that in a purely technical evaluation, Adam would win, win actually all categories except range, imo, even those others that Q3 listed and gave to Freddie, but strangely, ultimately it does not seem to matter, even in my own mind. Freddie is brilliant, top of the vocalist world for me, and now Adam manages to be his equal, without being the same. His career, of course, is so far still much smaller, and so we will have to see how it all materializes, because I believe that it will. Adam has many years to go.
Outside of stage persona and singing, I just have a fondness for Adam in my heart, that I have never had for Freddie. Freddie had my respect, but not really my love, sorry. Freddie's media/interview personality comes across as strange, cocky and gruff, Adam is delightful. How, they are in private, we of course don't really know, but everyone says how much they love Adam, if they get to work with him, so I think, what we are seeing, is really what those who know him closer, get to see as well.
His social and cultural influence is without question and will only grow from here. Freddie, on the other hand has been a brilliant songwriter and has established himself in many ways too. The two stand for me side by side, even if on some technical evaluation, I do see how Adam wins the sing-off. It does not translate for me into how much I appreciate the voices, because, I have at many times, thought to myself: Adam sang this so beautifully, nobody can do that better, and then gone and compared to Freddie, and I loved that version just as much. They are just both brilliant.
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Post by stardust on Dec 7, 2013 12:16:14 GMT -5
Just chiming in a bit on the conversation from yesterday. It's one I try to stay a little bit out of - especially on this board but I felt a bit compelled to write on the who is better - Freddie/Adam. Thanks for your input, Talon, and I agree with a lot of what you said. I've loved Freddie long before Adam came along, and I love them both equally. Yes, Freddie is iconic and Adam is not there yet, but I have have hopes for him to get there one day. I really appreciate your input and and occasional reality check! Always good to hear from you!!  |
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Post by Q3 on Dec 7, 2013 12:39:12 GMT -5
He actually covers even more range on that acoustic remix Aftermath! So let's see:  Both of these were totally in full voice, right? Any idea how high Adam can go in head voice or falsetto? The purists will only accept live recordings for range because it is so easy to clean up a note in a studio recording. But Adam clearly and cleanly can sing A2 to B5. And, although I have no doubt that Adam's range is more than we have heard live, and there are live recordings of him hitting a clean B5 in full voice. [Adam's falsetto is hard for me to pick up -- example "Music Again" and "Fever" fooled me until I heard him sing them live. I do not have the ear that many on this board have.] *** Regarding Adam as a frontman for Queen. No, he is not and will never be Freddie BUT he was much more commanding and confident fronting Queen in Las Vegas than he was in London. And he was pretty damn good in London. And he has seemed to re-energized Brian --- the Las Vegas guitar solo was fine. Maybe not the same level as Queen in their prime but still nice to see/hear. I wish John Deacon would come out of retirement for one concert with Queen + AL. If he does, I will be there. *** Talon thanks for your post. Always interesting and informative. I pretty much agree about Freddie well except with the floor wiping part. *** JMHO Freddie and Mick Jagger pretty much defined what a rock frontman does in a stadium. People have been imitating them for decades. There are other people who could be considered the "best" rock frontman, but Freddie and Mick both need to be very high on the list. |
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Post by coo.coo.ca.choo on Dec 7, 2013 12:39:56 GMT -5
Talon, thanks so much for your post. Agree with everything. I love Freddie's tone "more" than Adam's but love Adam's voice in all its alchemy. I'm just sorry I wasn't around to see them live in their heyday. The LIVE aid vid still gives me chills. I think it's pretty darn amazing that Adam can fill in as frontman and still be his own man. That speaks volume about his confidence as well as humility. And add seeing that amazing band with them, it's all win win. I have no desire to see Queen Extravaganza (and not dissing them, it's cool they're handpicked) but would rather see QAL. Fingers crossed for a few US dates. I hope Adam gets a good writing partner. The Avicii collab was great. The next great DJ should be looking at Adam. LMD is really wonderful. I wonder if Adam's finances are low? All those boots cost a lot and that house used to rent for over $10,000 a month if RS is to be believed. I thought the apt move was to downsize and be smart? I think Adam looks kind of scuzzy right now but not in a bad way... Whoever posted that HD Kiev vid, thanks! Can't find it again. $120,000/per year is what he possibly makes for one performance. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2013 12:43:00 GMT -5
But I don't know how you can truly compare voices as it is such a subjective thing and I understand that in my head. But I will flat out say (and I might get chased out myself now  but I think Freddie wipes the floor with Adam overall. Does that mean I think Adam doesn't have a good voice? Definitely not. I have highly enjoyed QAL and I have even argued on here that I love Adam's voice (though not a lot of his material). But it's SO completely subjective. But Freddies' phrasing to me and his overall power. Freddie was never drowned out by the band.
From an insider who I can't name - The band used the same set up forever soundwise. It was altered a bit for Paul, but it was altered more for Adam who though he was hitting shocking notes, was still getting drowned out by the band.BUT I will say he definitely has potential and is still developing. I agreed with B&R that his singing in the iheart HAD gotten better...more powerful, more confident. Thanks for your input Talon. I think the best thing about Atop is that you can express an opinion and discuss without anyone getting upset. I underlined the part that I don't understand. I know nothing about sound boards but surely they are not using the same technology they used in the 80's even in most of the instruments are the same. Did they use ear monitors then and if they didn't how did they hear themselves? I'm 100% sure that microphones have changed so why is your source saying they are using the same set up soundwise? I don't see how you can judge and compare a singers power unless they are both in the same room singing acapella and unamplified. Feel free to convince me otherwise.  |
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Post by thelambertluvva on Dec 7, 2013 12:49:00 GMT -5
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Post by augenpoesie on Dec 7, 2013 12:54:20 GMT -5
Gleek Out! Brasil @gleekoutbr 5m Rachel & Elliott cantarão "Vision Of Love". gleekoutbr.com/?p=30996ETA: Not sure why you have to click the link to see the actual song but it says Rachel and Elliot will be singing "Vision of Love" by Mariah Carey. I am rather disappointed. I didn't know this song and I am listening right now to it. Hmmmmm.... little bit boring. I was hoping for a rock song  |
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Post by thelambertluvva on Dec 7, 2013 12:55:58 GMT -5
Gleek Out! Brasil @gleekoutbr 5m Rachel & Elliott cantarão "Vision Of Love". gleekoutbr.com/?p=30996ETA: Not sure why you have to click the link to see the actual song but it says Rachel and Elliot will be singing "Vision of Love" by Mariah Carey. I am rather disappointed. I didn't know this song and I am listening right now to it. Hmmmmm.... little bit boring. I was hoping for a rock song Yeah, I am SUPER disappointed. |
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Post by Q3 on Dec 7, 2013 12:59:00 GMT -5
Talon, thanks so much for your post. Agree with everything. I love Freddie's tone "more" than Adam's but love Adam's voice in all its alchemy. I'm just sorry I wasn't around to see them live in their heyday. The LIVE aid vid still gives me chills. I think it's pretty darn amazing that Adam can fill in as frontman and still be his own man. That speaks volume about his confidence as well as humility. And add seeing that amazing band with them, it's all win win. I have no desire to see Queen Extravaganza (and not dissing them, it's cool they're handpicked) but would rather see QAL. Fingers crossed for a few US dates. I hope Adam gets a good writing partner. The Avicii collab was great. The next great DJ should be looking at Adam. LMD is really wonderful. I wonder if Adam's finances are low? All those boots cost a lot and that house used to rent for over $10,000 a month if RS is to be believed. I thought the apt move was to downsize and be smart? I think Adam looks kind of scuzzy right now but not in a bad way... Whoever posted that HD Kiev vid, thanks! Can't find it again. $120,000/per year is what he possibly makes for one performance. Adam gets $250K for one performance -- he has to pay the band and a few other expenses. So he safely clears $120K a concert. More for the concerts in Asia. He did not tour extensively this year, but he did enough concerts to be in excellent financial shape. Performances (20+ concerts), royalties, Glee guest star, appearance fees, he is doing fine. And, next up is a new record deal. From what we know of Adam's finances, he is very conservative. I think (guessing) the apt move was part of downsizing because he was going to be single again. He and Sauli moved in January 2013. In early April, Adam said the breakup was in the works for a couple of months. So just my thought, but it seemed like a transitional most to me. Regarding the boots, the Biloxi concert will pay for his boots for the next 5 years and jackets too!! I like to think my money is going for important causes! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2013 13:09:15 GMT -5
I didn't know this song and I am listening right now to it. Hmmmmm.... little bit boring. I was hoping for a rock song Yeah, I am SUPER disappointed. What version did you listen to? NAL? Or MC |
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but I think Freddie wipes the floor with Adam overall. Does that mean I think Adam doesn't have a good voice? Definitely not. I have highly enjoyed QAL and I have even argued on here that I love Adam's voice (though not a lot of his material). But it's SO completely subjective.
