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Post by augenpoesie on Dec 7, 2013 13:10:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I am SUPER disappointed. What version did you listen to? NAL? Or MC I listened to the MC version. |
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Post by jean1010 on Dec 7, 2013 13:10:13 GMT -5
Talon, I always enjoy reading your slant on Queen. We at Atop are very insular, and getting another point of view helps keep it real.
I found your list of reasons anti Adam fans have issues with him interesting and a little disheartening. What kind of a legitimate excuse is that he came from Idol? I am wondering how rare in the Queen fandom you are. Is there in pretty good size contingent, that while they think Freddie is far superior, nonetheless think Adam is doing an OK job, and are glad that Queen found someone they feel can handle their catalog vocally affording these fans an opportunity to see their beloved band again?
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Post by augenpoesie on Dec 7, 2013 13:12:12 GMT -5
 Don't you think that your money is spent perfectly Q3?  |
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Post by thelambertluvva on Dec 7, 2013 13:14:34 GMT -5
What version did you listen to? NAL? Or MC I listened to the MC version. Me too since that is what the actual site said. I didn't even think NAL could be a possibility since it was not a hit. |
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Post by belle on Dec 7, 2013 13:15:41 GMT -5
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The DOI Plan Gala for charity is on tv at the moment. Lots of skating and music together with reports from Africa and The Philippines. It was taped live on wednesday. In other news, Sauli has apparently been signed to Paparazzi Model Management. It's the best agency in Finland and has international connections. They have Suvi Koponen (Sauli's guest on SPK) and River Viiperi (Paris Hilton's bf) on their roster for example. If true, it's a coup for Sauli who is not of the required model size. It might bring him some special gigs anywhere, even in LA. (The agency being the employer they can arrange a work permit etc. I believe.) 'Sauli Koskinen sai mallisopimuksen huipputiimiltä?!' (Sauli Koskinen got a modeling contract from a top team?!) www.seiska.fi/Viihdeuutiset/Sauli-Koskinen-sai-mallisopimuksen-huipputiimilta/1025712It looks like Dancing on Ice contest winner Sauli Koskinen got a modeling contract. Paparazzi Model Management's CEO Laila Snellman posted on her FB a photo of Sauli who visited the agency. - Welcome Sauli, Laila wrote with the pic. (screencap) Seiska got hold of Sauli who was brief about the possible modeling contract. - This is not a news item yet. I won't say anything about it, was Sauli's comment.
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Post by kittykay on Dec 7, 2013 13:24:02 GMT -5
$120,000/per year is what he possibly makes for one performance. Adam gets $250K for one performance -- he has to pay the band and a few other expenses. So he safely clears $120K a concert. More for the concerts in Asia. He did not tour extensively this year, but he did enough concerts to be in excellent financial shape. Performances (20+ concerts), royalties, Glee guest star, appearance fees, he is doing fine. And, next up is a new record deal. From what we know of Adam's finances, he is very conservative. I think (guessing) the apt move was part of downsizing because he was going to be single again. He and Sauli moved in January 2013. In early April, Adam said the breakup was in the works for a couple of months. So just my thought, but it seemed like a transitional most to me. Regarding the boots, the Biloxi concert will pay for his boots for the next 5 years and jackets too!! I like to think my money is going for important causes! Are some of Adam's clothes given to him or discounted? I noticed he has started mentioning designers of outfits when he posts photos? How much do appearances like Halloween at Bootsie Bellows pay? Do you think he gets paid to make appearances at clubs a lot of the times he goes? |
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Post by talon on Dec 7, 2013 13:25:48 GMT -5
:D Glad to see I'm not completely run out and yes I had a feeling my one line might be agitating...but I won't back off it. Just personal opinion. *shrugs* As others have pointed out, Adam is four+ years into his career and I am not enough of a Queen historian to compare them at an equivalent point. Again, the difference between the solo artist and the front man certainly will play out in terms of who is the better frontman. The legacy questions of whether an iconic song or songs will come Adam's way is obviously still a totally open question. For comparisons sake, at this point Freddie (with Queen) had four albums and had written/released Liar, Seven Seas Of Rhye, Killer Queen, Bohemian Rhapsody, You're My Best Friend, Love Of My Life, Tie Your Mother Down, Good Old Fashioned Loverboy,and Somebody To Love and just did a show in front of 200,000 at Hyde Park (on his own merit - Yes Adam did perform in front of 350,000 in Kiev BUT to be honest, that was more a Queen thing than an Adam thing so I can't credit Adam with that beyond being a great experience and crediting that he handled it well). I'll completely agree that it was a different time in the music biz, but Freddie/Queen have definitely achieved more at the same point. As far as solo artist/band goes, I think that Adam is not really a sole songwriter - yes he has some writing credits, but there's a world of difference between a songwriting credit and a songwriter. Maybe he is, but I haven't seen that truly yet. Without that songwriting ability it is even MORE imperative that he get that talented band behind him to craft the material (my own $.02 - I know others have different opinions) I hate all the comparisons, I really do! :| Freddie is iconic, Queen are iconic and so is their music. They've been around for over 40 years it's totally unfair to compare their whole legacy to Adam and his career. We are all entitled to our opinions but I will have to very passionately disagree with this one, "I think Freddie wipes the floor with Adam overall". I knew most people would!  . Just to re-clarify though - I like Adam's voice quite a bit so I'm not trying to knock it. Please know that!  talon, cool analysis. I disagree that FREDDIE wipes the floor with Adam. Queen with Freddie, however, does wipe the floor with Queen with Adam, though I prefer Queen with Adam to Queen with Paul, say, as Paul was horribly wrong for Queen's music (imo) I agree that Adam hasn't developed a legacy, and that it's impossible to predict if he'll do so in the future. I disagree that bands and singers today can't develop legacies because of the state of the industry; Muse, for instance, has come close to doing that. That's a good point about Queen w/Freddie vs Adam. :D Regarding Paul, I don't think it's quite right to say he was horribly wrong though I understand conceptually why someone would think that. I think that because he was so different made it unique. They were quite interesting takes and his Show Must Go On was right up there with Adam in my mind. The only way Freddie could wipe the floor with Adam is if he tied him to a mop handle. As a singer and entertainer--nope. Just because Adam hasn't been around as long doesn't mean he's any less of a performer. Geez, give him time. Well then consider him tied  Adam is a helluva performer. He's just not legendary. Could he be? Sure. But we'll see how it goes! Yeah, sorry if anyone is a Paul Rogers fan but agreed, never got that. Seems luke RT doesn't either, he keeps saying Adam is more suited for Queen songs. But maybe it was cool to have such a different singer post Freddie. Sorry, can hightail it to the Queen thread. Like I said, it was the difference that was engaging at first. It was such an obvious NOT going to go with someone like Freddie that in some way was appealing. I wouldn't read too much into those RT comments. He's always about promoting what they are doing rather than what they did. He loved Paul at the time and still does overall...but he knows that Adam's voice is more suited for the whole of the Queen catalogue. What Queen could do with Paul was done well enough to equal Adam, but Adam allows them to broaden their catalogue a whole lot more. hanks for your input, Talon, and I agree with a lot of what you said. I've loved Freddie long before Adam came along, and I love them both equally. Yes, Freddie is iconic and Adam is not there yet, but I have have hopes for him to get there one day. I really appreciate your input and and occasional reality check! Always good to hear from you!!  There were some other posts like this so I answer them all with Thanks!!! I'm glad to pop back around now and again and posts like these are why Thanks for your input Talon. I think the best thing about Atop is that you can express an opinion and discuss without anyone getting upset. I underlined the part that I don't understand. I know nothing about sound boards but surely they are not using the same technology they used in the 80's even in most of the instruments are the same. Did they use ear monitors then and if they didn't how did they hear themselves? I'm 100% sure that microphones have changed so why is your source saying they are using the same set up soundwise? I don't see how you can judge and compare a singers power unless they are both in the same room singing acapella and unamplified. I admit to not knowing a lot of the technical side of that whole shebang either. I just know how it was explained to me is that they had certain sound levels within the band while performing. To give it a completely random assignment of numbers, if 5 was a standard band setting of volume: Drums were at level 5, guitar at 6, bass at 6, Freddie's vocals were at a 5. With Adam they had to boost the lead vocals to a 7-8 or else Adam was getting drowned out by the sheer power that Queen had. Freddie's chest voice was just that powerful. Talon, I always enjoy reading your slant on Queen. We at Atop are very insular, and getting another point of view helps keep it real. I found your list of reasons anti Adam fans have issues with him interesting and a little disheartening. What kind of a legitimate excuse is that he came from Idol? I am wondering how rare in the Queen fandom you are. Is there in pretty good size contingent, that while they think Freddie is far superior, nonetheless think Adam is doing an OK job, and are glad that Queen found someone they feel can handle their catalog vocally affording these fans an opportunity to see their beloved band again. The Idol thing is probably the least fair but biggest hurdle. To most fans of that generation of music Idol is the antithesis of how an artist is made. It's not art, it's commercial, it's product. So to have become famous from that, is to be the opposite of how an artist is made so to legitimize someone from Idol is to legitimize Idol as a whole. As far as Queen fandom, I am a bit on the rare side though not as rare as you may think. The anti fans are by FAR more vocal about it especially on websites, etc. BUT there are quite a few who do like that Adam allows for the possibility of different tracks.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2013 13:36:20 GMT -5
What version did you listen to? NAL? Or MC I listened to the MC version. Listened to a bit of both versions. Can that be who Lea considers a female rocker? (ref. her tweet yesterday) In my aging and addled brain, that is not rock music. No way, Jose. Sorry if you like Mariah, but that would be truly disappointing. |
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Post by Q3 on Dec 7, 2013 13:40:30 GMT -5
But I don't know how you can truly compare voices as it is such a subjective thing and I understand that in my head. But I will flat out say (and I might get chased out myself now but I think Freddie wipes the floor with Adam overall. Does that mean I think Adam doesn't have a good voice? Definitely not. I have highly enjoyed QAL and I have even argued on here that I love Adam's voice (though not a lot of his material). But it's SO completely subjective. But Freddies' phrasing to me and his overall power. Freddie was never drowned out by the band.
From an insider who I can't name - The band used the same set up forever soundwise. It was altered a bit for Paul, but it was altered more for Adam who though he was hitting shocking notes, was still getting drowned out by the band.BUT I will say he definitely has potential and is still developing. I agreed with B&R that his singing in the iheart HAD gotten better...more powerful, more confident. Thanks for your input Talon. I think the best thing about Atop is that you can express an opinion and discuss without anyone getting upset. I underlined the part that I don't understand. I know nothing about sound boards but surely they are not using the same technology they used in the 80's even in most of the instruments are the same. Did they use ear monitors then and if they didn't how did they hear themselves? I'm 100% sure that microphones have changed so why is your source saying they are using the same set up soundwise? I don't see how you can judge and compare a singers power unless they are both in the same room singing acapella and unamplified. I actually agree and disagree with the underlined part. My guess is that side to side -- Adam has a much, much louder B5 and Freddie is louder in the baritone range. ** For the London and Vegas QAL performances, I paid no attention to the soundboard -- but the sound levels were perfect the whole time Adam was on stage. And the band was loud, very loud. Any vocalist would have to be amplified a lot to be heard. ** One big difference between Freddie and Adam with Queen is that the vocals are more prominent with QAL -- partly because of the songs they pick, and partly because of Adam's light, clear notes. It is just a different experience. Queen with Freddy and John Deacon had a heavier, more rock sound. |
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Post by LindaG23 on Dec 7, 2013 13:41:41 GMT -5
Already preparing myself for more melisma than I can truly handle. |
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. Just to re-clarify though - I like Adam's voice quite a bit so I'm not trying to knock it. Please know that! 
Adam is a helluva performer. He's just not legendary. Could he be? Sure. But we'll see how it goes!
