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Post by DancyGeorgia on Mar 9, 2014 15:49:31 GMT -5
I just wanna be happy about Queen and Adam touring. This is a full-tilt, pull out all the stops tour. It makes me sad to keep chewing on that old piece of rawhide about Adam's past albums today. Discouraging to see replaying this past garbage over and over again. What happened, happened. Done. Finito. I had a hell of a good time with both albums and still listen to them. And that A3 will or will not be a huge success. It hasn't happened yet. Queen IS happening. That's where my focus is. A3 will get here when it gets here. For one day, can't we just be happy? This tour is huge, I get to go, I don't have to stress about tickets as the venues are large. What could be better than this??? Maybe brownies with pecans..got more? #beggingforchocolate Grouch will leave now.. yeah gonna hafta have a talk with Junnie about walnuts vs pecans. sacrilegious! I love both, but pecans are my absolute favorite nut! Great on everything, ice cream, yogurt, cereal, sweet potatoes, fish, chicken, salmon, etc. |
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Post by talon on Mar 9, 2014 15:51:29 GMT -5
talon, I just wanted to respond to a couple of your points...but did not want to copy the long post. I had a bit of concern about US Arenas before I saw the list. They are staying in Queen country, and have the harder to sell US arenas later in the tour. The only Pacific Northwest show is Vancouver BC so no return to mostly empty arenas in Seattle or Portland. I have been talking to people at Live Nation (the primary promoter), looking at the Queen and Adam fan clubs, talking to AMEX Platinum concierge and to venue VIP reps.....they all are reporting very high interest in this tour. The Glamberts are making a lot of noise everywhere, but the Queen fans are somewhat more quietly making plans. These shows will not sell out overnight (except for Las Vegas which is a small venue) but I think these tickets will sell very well. And if the reviews out of Chicago are good to great (which I believe they will be), then they will be in great shape. >> I am assuming that Chicago is like iHR Vegas with more production and more smoke and pyro. Adam and Queen have separate fan bases with little overlap -- although many passionate Adam fans are now Queen fans. Depending on the market, and very simplistically, Adam is good for 5,000 to 10,000 tickets, so Queen fans and casual fans just have to fill the rest. I honestly do not see one tough-sell venue on that list. I think the combination of Queen + Adam in the US is worth more in terms of ticket sales than either separately. It really is an event, and the music is very, very popular here. And the promotion seems to be getting great reviews. Fair enough! I hope you are right. I did notice of course that the main stops were more Queen havens. That's why so many of the gigs are in Canada where they are more successful longterm than the US. The northeast has also usually been good to Queen. I wish I was as confident as you are. I just am not as confident. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility mind you...but I will be anxiously awaiting to see how good sales are overall  For starters, I think Trespassing was a success. Got excellent reviews (in the US) and was a #1 album US and Canada. It just did not get label support. We do not know what worldwide sales of Trespassing are but we do know sold Trespassing sold 185,000 US only as of July 2013. It sold around 30K in Canada. It charted in 29 countries -- #1 is a few. So probably around 300,000 worldwide. His first album, FYE, was promoted and got radio support sold about 2 million worldwide, and has 3 hit singles. And had a huge presale. If Adam chooses to put out a mainstream pop album, and if it is properly promoted and has a promoted single in the US, I think he should will sell 200,000 units in the US week 1. (And assuming the US market for recorded music still exists in Fall 2014 when I think the album will be out.) Let me clarify and by success I meant only sales. I should have said sales. Of course something can be an artistic success or personal success or the like without sales, but I was using success as a synonym for sales. The #1 album thing is nice but misleading. For example I am a huge fan of Extreme and (in a way perhaps I understand the Adam's fan position here) I was one of the only ones who liked Gary Cherone in Van Halen. I was on the other side of the fence there. Their single "Without You" hit #1 in the rock charts and the album hit gold but is today considered a flop. I personally consider FYE a success, Trespassing not so much (then again I'm not a fan of the direction he went anyways). I do hope that Queen is a boost to him though as I think he deserves to be heard! |
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Post by kittykay on Mar 9, 2014 16:06:54 GMT -5
Long story but I only got to watch iheart about 6 weeks ago. I had the fortune to watch it without any opinions influencing my experience. I have watched it at least once a day since. I have also spent the last couple of weeks listening to just about everyone who has filled in for Queen or mentioned as a possible front man. Observations (I would love reactions from people who know Queen better than I do) 1). Brian has fun playing with Adam. Adam likes to play on stage dragging Brian down the cat walk. I have not seen videos of Brian doing this with anyone else. 2). Brian is as good as he has ever been if not better. 3). Nate joining at iheart was pivotal to the audience. It was clear he was the guest and Adam was family. The audience seemed to miss Adam when he left the stage. The audience then realized they were witnessing something special IMO. 4). Brian and Roger touch Adam A LOT. I haven't seen this with others. 5). I really like the tone of Paul Rogers voice and I understand why Brian and Roger chose to work with him. The sound was good but the energy was missing. I found myself missing the interaction with John Deacon and Brian. 6). I remember watching George Michael with Queen many years ago. Rewatching it isn't as wonderful as my memory 7). Even people with great voices don't always sound good doing Queen or are too much about themselves. Google the YouTube of Elton John with Axl Rose with Queen. A huge mess IMO. As Simon would say, "Self indulgent rubbish" 8). Marc Martel has the same tone as Freddie but everything seems to be an impersonation of Freddie down to the 3/4 mic stand. The AI performance with Brian and Roger at the end felt awkward. 9). Roger has a beautiful voice. I hope we hear more of it on tour. 10). Best fit I heard was David Bowie and Annie Lennox. Amazing performance. They only did Under Pressure but I have no doubt Bowie could have been a great frontman for Queen. 11). There were many article rumors the month before the EMA's that GaGa had an upcoming performance with Queen. Adam was quoted as saying Brian and Roger called him about performing with them a couple of weeks before the EMA's. Were they supposed to perform with Gaga and something didn't work out? 12). Roger seems to really enjoy performing and mentoring his son, Rufus. Might this add to Roger's desires for a tour? 13). Many articles prior to 2009 Brian commented they get offers to perform all the time but they don't have a singer. When asked about touring with various people Brian commented that not everyone was stable enough to want to do a tour with. He didn't say who but I got the feeling that was George Michael 14). I think Queen has more to lose than Adam. They are rock royalty and will be remembered as an iconic band. A failed tour could tarnish that reputation. The Soniaphere cancellation is proof that there are people quick to throw negative comments their way. Adam is young enough to reincarnate his career if things don't go as planned (I don't expect this just being a realist) 15). Adam commented they don't feel an age difference on stage. The videos confirm that. Summary: Queen have sung with a lot of people since Freddie's death and Adam is the first to capture the magic - The Total Package. Brian and Roger are creative people that want to make music, are still capable of making good music and have someone who shares their love of entertaining. I'm thrilled they are willing to share the experience with us. Lambertlust blog of Adam/Queen performances. www.lambertlust.com/2014/03/queen-adam-lambert-performances-2009.html |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 16:13:31 GMT -5
Talon, I agree with you. I don't consider TP a success either and did not like the dance/pop direction that he took. I believe Adam would have had more success if he had followed the success of WWFM with more pop/rock on the second album. I'm thinking about how Phillip Phillips (who is very weird looking when he performs and has no voice whatsoever) gets played on radio and his songs sell and I think the reason is because all his singles are very similar, and since "Home" was such a huge hit, his other singles easily became popular too, being in the same vain. Adam needed to find a niche and stick with it. I will say that he is best when singing rock and that's why he's so good with Queen, but since that doesn't sell today, pop/rock is really the next best thing for him. JMHO. Hope I don't offend anyone and good luck everyone on getting tickets tomorrow! |
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Post by LindaG23 on Mar 9, 2014 16:26:17 GMT -5
Juniemoon, craazyforadam, aleks, and LindaG23...I, seriously, love all of you for being so smart and articulate. You have said everything I wish I could, so I'm just gonna pass out some of THIS:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 16:30:12 GMT -5
yeah gonna hafta have a talk with Junnie about walnuts vs pecans. sacrilegious! I love both, but pecans are my absolute favorite nut! Great on everything, ice cream, yogurt, cereal, sweet potatoes, fish, chicken, salmon, etc. OT, but the best way to have pecans (well, besides pie) is really sticky, sticky buns.  |
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Post by nic42 on Mar 9, 2014 16:37:03 GMT -5
I do make a mean baklava. It's made with walnuts and insane amounts of sugar, so it is positively yummylicious! Btw, so sneaky of you to pull the 'WWII mom sending treats to brothers' card just to get a piece of my candy:) I thought I could get away with just a few well-placed compliments:))) This site has a great explanation of a lot of rhetological fallacies: www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/rhetological-fallacies/. And to make it (somewhat) relevant to Adam, this is the rhetological fallacy matrix applied to a speech against same sex marriage: infobeautiful2.s3.amazonaws.com/RhetoricalFallacy_SameSexMarriage.png(Can I please please have some baklava now? I LOVE baklava, but don't have a good place to buy it anymore since we moved). |
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Post by bridgeymah on Mar 9, 2014 16:37:27 GMT -5
I love this quote and seems to echo sentiment that Adam made at the press conference about dealing with "haters" :
"When people try to tell you who you are, don’t believe them. You are the only custodian of your own integrity, and the assumptions made by those that misunderstand who you are and what you stand for reveal a great deal about them and absolutely nothing about you"
Author Phillip Roth
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 17:05:04 GMT -5
Adam and Queen have separate fan bases with little overlap -- although many passionate Adam fans are now Queen fans. Depending on the market, and very simplistically, Adam is good for 5,000 to 10,000 tickets, so Queen fans and casual fans just have to fill the rest. I honestly do not see one tough-sell venue on that list. I think the combination of Queen + Adam in the US is worth more in terms of ticket sales than either separately. It really is an event, and the music is very, very popular here. And the promotion seems to be getting great reviews. Can I ask what you base your opinion that Adam is good for 5 - 10K tickets? I am curious because if that were the case why didn't Adam tour solo with Trespassing in the U.S.? |
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Post by bullsfan on Mar 9, 2014 17:19:20 GMT -5
Can I ask what you base your opinion that Adam is good for 5 - 10K tickets? I am curious because if that were the case why didn't Adam tour solo with Trespassing in the U.S.? Honestly, I don't see Adam being good for 10K tickets at a US venue. That is a huge amount. |
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