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Post by FanOfTheMan on Jul 3, 2014 16:12:38 GMT -5
Kamar- I love your 'Queenbert moment' - so creative and precious - best ever!  |
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Post by Kamar on Jul 3, 2014 16:17:27 GMT -5
Thank you guys so much  !!! gotta thank specially GLAMTEALADY cuz she's the one who tweeted it to Roger's wife , she had the idea |
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Post by Q3 on Jul 3, 2014 16:28:20 GMT -5
www.chron.com/entertainment/columnists/dansby/article/Queen-Polyphonic-Spree-each-ignored-the-trends-5595435.php{wry snicker} My objection is that this is an interesting article that has almost NOTHING to do with Adam at all. It's about how Queen and other bands buck the trends of rock's "authenticity" label. There's only one sentence about Adam and it is - rightfully - an afterthought as he is not the topic of the article. Its actually worth reading, as long as you realize that the title is nothing but clickbait, and the subject is completely different. ETA: For those who have been worried about reviews, read some of the stuff that has been said about Queen in the past. Eye-opening. I'm sure Brian and Roger have rhino-thick skins after dealing of decades of that. ETA2: If I was a writer of a nuanced, comparative opinion piece on a specific set of bands (like this) and I got my article hijacked by a tangential title by an editor looking for clicks, I'd be royally pissed. I totally agree, Hoppers, and yes, it is a thoughtful, interesting article. The funny thing is (and I'm not saying the writer should have done this--limited space, beyond the scope and all that), in a way, a discussion of Adam's role in all this fits right into the subject matter. Not only is the question of authenticity related to the whole "Is this Queen or not" debate, but the (asinine) knock against Adam from many corners has always been that he doesn't come across as "authentic." This is partly because of the Idol label--you know, the whole born-overnight, didn't-work-his-way-up-through-the-garages-and-clubs nonsense--and partly something beyond that, some suspicion of the natural performer, of the costume-lover, of the OTT entertainer, that is exactly what had a lot of people turning their noses up at Queen back in the day, and more recently voting for Kris over Adam. I still remember with gritted teeth a brief conversation I had with a friend back in the early days about Adam, where I said something about how much I liked him, and she responded "Really? Ugh, he's so FAKE!" At the time, I just felt fury and all I wanted was to stomp my feet like a 4 year old and shout back (though I didn't  ) "Really? YOU'RE so FAKE" (clever, I know), but of course afterwards I had this whole dissertation of a response flowing through my head. For some silly reason, people have gotten it into their heads that this kind of performance is less "real" than your standard White Guy With Guitar schtick. But of course, in a way, they're both schticks, and in another way they're both real, and that paradox is part of what's so wonderful about music and entertainment. In a way "camp" is the most authentic take on the craziness that is modern celebrity and pop-culture stardom. And on the other side there are the worries (which I confess to sometimes partaking of) that when Adam tones it down, he's not being "real" to himself. Ha ha what a muddle, poor guy, seriously! There's so much other interesting stuff woven into this mess and into people's responses to Adam--everything from a misunderstanding of camp (which is itself wrapped up in a certain kind of homophobia, even if it's sub-conscious homophobia) to what Bridgey called "tall poppy syndrome." And it's part of a much much larger discussion since the advent of modernism, really, around the First World War, about what "sincerity" and "authenticity" in art is, and if it's even possible in our ironic times. I always think that this is partly the discussion Adam's referencing, however tangentially, when he talks about post-modern art. Anyway, thank you, Houston critic, for bring all this up. I think it's very much to the point, and offers an interesting lens through which to view this latest Queen endeavor. In a way, Adam is just the newest, brightest iteration of a recurring story, and isn't this partly the lesson of postmodernism--that in a world where everything repeats itself and has been done already, pastiche of the kind Queen performs SO BRILLIANTLY is perhaps the truest form of art? On the big topic of bands being reassessed, it is an interesting topic. And I would love to have a discussion about what constitutes "rock". Rock is not the same as Blues. He seems to equate them. Here is the Wiki definition of Rock Music. That definition sounds a lot like Queen to me. The Rolling Stones, on the other hand, started out as a blues cover band and a large portion of their music is actually blues, not rock. *** JMHO I wish this author had take the time to do his research and make a clearly more compelling point, because I agree he has one. I just am tired of Queen not being classified as a "rock" band and non-rock music like half the Stones music being classified as "rock" rather than "blues". >> Queen has good company, The Beatles are now listed as pop-rock and in many cases as a pop act negating all of there terrific rock music and most of the great John Lennon compositions. *** The article is filled with errors and characterizations and things that make no sense to me. Here are a few. "Founded in 1970, the group released "Queen" in 1972," Queen was released 13 July 1973 "...which barely hinted at the scale of music to come. But the foundation was there: Queen was a band looking to split the difference between hard rock and opera. It struck a unique sound, one that didn't rely on three chords and the truth, but rather prog-rock virtuosity and, well, not untruth, but a flamboyant presentation. Queen didn't sell sincerity.
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There is no "opera" on their first album. And Queen did tons of "three chord songs" -- that is songs with D A G three-chord progressions in them. >> Many of Queen songs are D A G songs -- exacples: "Seven Seas of Rye" and SCC. Or how about this song ... Chords: G D C G Em Singin'
We will, we will, Rock you!
We will, we will, Rock you!Or WATC Or the hard rock sections of "My Fairy King", "The March of the Black Queen" and BoRhap. Queen did many different things, particularly using complex song construction, that were new to rock in the late 60's (they were not the first) but these are still rock songs. The Beatles and Beach Boys were probably first at much of this. "Since Queen's music drew from Broadway and opera rather than the blues - a more traditional foundation for rock bands - it was largely marginalized by critics."
Help me with this? Broadway? Did not draw from the blues? I have read much about what influenced all the members of Queen, and Broadway was not on that list. *** The larger problem I have is what is his point? "The ability to draw an audience with just a few instruments - say, a voice and a guitar - is a particular gift. The ability to create a memorable song with big instrumentation and rousing vocals - is an entirely different challenge. Both come with risk.
Two purveyors of unrepentant large-scale music play in Houston on the same night next week. One, Queen, is an English band that enjoyed international success (1) by steering its permutation of rock away from the blues and toward flamboyant show tunes and opera - while often taking a critical beating for its unique music.
The other, the Polyphonic Spree, sprang from a lean '90s alternative rock movement that was a reaction to arena-rock excess. The Spree found a way to stand out among dour guitar bands. (2) The group lifted itself up with animated symphonic rock music made by a choir, a harp, lots of brass, a theramin and other instrumentation that grunge had rendered gauche 10 years earlier."
1. I do not believe that Queen shifted away from blues toward show tunes and opera. They incorporated dance hall music, and honky tonk music (jazz/blues form), and rock and roll, and even released a waltz. They integrated operatic sections in a few songs (only one of their big hits BoRhap contains an operatic section). They shifted to funk in the 80's on many tracks. 2. The Polyphonic Spree is not from "lean" alt rock movement. Rather they are pop of the modern art rock movement, often classified as symphonic pop-rock -- along with Arcade Fire. *** I will get off my soapbox. And I am quite serious. If there is any place where a band member stated that they were influenced by Broadway, I would love to see it. Freddie did say this "I hate doing the same thing again and again and again. I like to see what's happening now in music, film and theatre and incorporate all of those things." And Freddie did cite many different influences... I think if Liza and Jimi had a child it might be Freddie. So in that sense, I guess there is a connection to Broadway, but that always seemed to be about performance style not composition. And on another day if Liza and Jimi had a child it might be Adam. And in that -- perhaps Freddie and Adam have more in common than I realized.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2014 16:30:37 GMT -5
what does #FLD stand for? It is the name I gave to the mandatory inclusion of "Freddie greatest ever" like stuff that is in every review and article - stands for "Freddie Legal Disclaimer" LOL that's funny. |
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Post by adamrocks on Jul 3, 2014 16:35:07 GMT -5
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Post by glamtealady on Jul 3, 2014 16:36:08 GMT -5
Omg you guys Roger's wife favorited my latest drawing on twitter yay !! I hope she shares it with Adam and Roger. |
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Post by adamme on Jul 3, 2014 16:36:48 GMT -5
I'm so excited for tonight show and for all of you who are going to the Forum tonight!! 
I actually can and will really enjoy the show tonight since the month end's almost done.
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Post by Kamar on Jul 3, 2014 16:39:42 GMT -5
Omg you guys Roger's wife favorited my latest drawing on twitter yay !! I hope she shares it with Adam and Roger. YAY YEAH !! |
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Post by adamme on Jul 3, 2014 16:40:30 GMT -5
Ohh. I wonder if there will be celebrities in the VIP tonight  |
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Post by adamrocks on Jul 3, 2014 16:43:36 GMT -5
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!!! gotta thank specially GLAMTEALADY cuz she's the one who tweeted it to Roger's wife , she had the idea 
) "Really? YOU'RE so FAKE" (clever, I know), but of course afterwards I had this whole dissertation of a response flowing through my head. For some silly reason, people have gotten it into their heads that this kind of performance is less "real" than your standard White Guy With Guitar schtick. But of course, in a way, they're both schticks, and in another way they're both real, and that paradox is part of what's so wonderful about music and entertainment. In a way "camp" is the most authentic take on the craziness that is modern celebrity and pop-culture stardom. And on the other side there are the worries (which I confess to sometimes partaking of) that when Adam tones it down, he's not being "real" to himself. Ha ha what a muddle, poor guy, seriously! 
