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Post by mirages on Oct 24, 2014 13:29:36 GMT -5
Speaking of dreams, I love this song. The lyrics read like poetry: Dreaming - Carrie Newcomer It started with a dream as most things new From an unformed thought when the time was due. Out of eternal night where no dawn broke, Came a pale new light and the dreamer woke. In moments clean and clear the echo bounces back, With a lonesome sound down an endless track, We are born to time and light, clay and stone A fleeting glance, skin and bone. ... And the world is wrapped in wind, And the fields are filled with stone, And it's only because we leave That we can come home. We can come on home. .... (It's from her album Everything is Everywhere - you can listen to the tracks here www.carrienewcomer.com/everything-is-everywhere/)I love the beginning: It started with a dream, and also the idea that new things/thoughts emerge when the time is due. It probably speaks to my own understanding of dreams, or imagination, as places of origin. The origin of the original. Since anything is possible in a dream, and in our imagination, that is exactly the place where new things and new ideas may be discovered. And they can be discovered, if we give ourselves permission, the freedom to discover them, when the time is right. It's as if those things and those ideas already exist there, in that eternal night where no dawn broke. They exist, but they haven't yet been brought to light. In a sense, then, they are dreaming, waiting until they are found, and then they wake up. And, sometimes, they wake us up as well... Out of eternal night where no dawn broke, Came a pale new light and the dreamer woke.
I have no idea if this is the "correct" interpretation of this song, or what the songwriter really meant to say. It's just my interpretation... I thought I'd share, for it fits in the discussion of dreams and reality and imagination. Hi, toramenor -- sorry again for my slowness in responding. I was delighted to see you referencing Carrie Newcomer here -- I only just discovered her a few months ago after hearing her interviewed by Rabbi Rami Shapiro on the "Holy Rascals" radio show which I've mentioned here before. I love the simplicity, humility and deep soulfulness that seems to characterize many Quaker people, and Carrie seemed to be one of those -- I had to go look up her music after the interview, too, and really enjoy it. Here's a link to the shows, and scroll down to the May 28 interview for Carrie: www.unity.fm/program/howtobeaholyrascal). Your reference to all things that can be already existing somewhere first sent me down a rabbithole of Platonic thought (since he maintained that all the characteristics we see in particular things really only remind us of their true forms which exist elsewhere, and nothing is invented by us but only discovered, if I recall it correctly), but I think you're really talking about something else. I really like your thought that as the ideas or images wake in us, they wake US up as well, or have the potential to. I like what the lyrics drew from you, and I love this couplet especially: We are born to time and light, clay and stone A fleeting glance, skin and bone.That and the reference to coming home in the closing stanza remind me strongly of one of my favourite early Bruce Cockburn songs in which he sings, One day I walk in flowers One day I walk on stones Today I walk in hours One day I shall be homeThat also has the sense of things coming to be in the fulness of time, too, doesn't it? He has another song that brings that home powerfully: When you know even for a moment That it's your time Then you can walk with the power Of a thousand generationsAnd guess what the name of that song is? "A Dream Like Mine". You're on to something!
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Post by toramenor on Oct 31, 2014 2:01:34 GMT -5
Where is rosepetal? I miss her poems... *** mirages I too seem to be really slow in responding... Sorry about that. I would blame it on the time difference or something, but that won't fly, cause it takes me days... I do read this thread, but it's like this: *** Carrie Newcomer... I discovered her when she put out her album Everything is Everywhere - that's really her only album I've listened to start to finish - I love that she incorporated Indian sounds and that she tries to bring together east and west, musically and lyrically. In one song, she has a line about India, and then a line about Indiana... clever... There is also some of the Buddhist philosophy in that album. I instantly liked a song called May We Be Released. It's so simple on the one hand, and yet it has such a profound, strong message. It's like a prayer, but alongside wishing for simple things, there are some complex thoughts there that really resonated with me. For example, she says: Let there be no stones to throw and someone to watch your back
And some prayers be never answered for the things we think we lack
How simple the first line, and how complex the second! How often it is the case, though, that we wish for something, and then when it doesn't come true, when we don't get what we wanted, we get upset, we grow bitter... But do we ask ourselves: did I really lack this thing I wanted, did I really need it to be happy, to be fulfilled? Maybe I just thought I needed it, but I don't... In fact, there are plenty of things that we think we want or need, but when we get them they turn out to be something else and not give us what we thought we would get... Or, there is this stanza, where again we have deep thoughts and simple, everyday things alongside each other: May you get fed up and finish old obsessions past their prime
May you find the silent center and leave all undone behind
May there be bread and honey, may somebody love your flaws
Give a stranger your umbrella and love a grateful dog
I especially like the juxtaposition of finishing old obsessions and leaving what's not done behind... Sometimes, you need to find closure, but sometimes it's better for you if you just let it go... Here are some other thoughts from the same song: When the truth catches your eye, may you have the grace to stop
(Alas, how often people just won't let go of their preconceived notions, prejudices, etc. even after they see the real truth...) May you have the strength to question all the things you thought were right
(Ah, yes! Examining the things we "know" will certainly yield the conclusion that we were wrong about a lot of things. We all share that - we pick up half-truths and untruths from unreliable sources, and we just accept them without further examination. It can be something trivial, like the myth that hair and nails grow after death or something like that, but unfortunately, sometimes, people take for granted much more important stuff - they just accept it as truth and don't bother questioning it. Homophobia springs to mind as a perfect example. Most people are not ultra-rightwing extremists who want to kill gay people. Most people just believe what they were told by somebody else, that it's a disease, or a choice, or whatever, and they stop at that. Instead, they should question things they are told.) May you go ahead and quit what you should never have begun
(And, this may be the most difficult of all. How often do we begin something, and then - half way through - we glimpse the truth: that we shouldn't have even started it - but we supress it, because we are convinced it's only losers who give up and that we need to finish what we started, etc. But, the only thing we need is to be ourselves. That means we need to listen to our instincts and to those inner voices, which are different facets of our being.)
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Post by mirages on Oct 31, 2014 12:52:24 GMT -5
Where is rosepetal? I miss her poems... Me, too, and I was thinking the same thing earlier this week but wasn't at the computer at the time. Thanks for the reminder -- I'll DM her and also send out another bat-signal here to rosepetal -- where are you? You're missed! toramenor wrote: mirages I too seem to be really slow in responding... Sorry about that. I would blame it on the time difference or something, but that won't fly, cause it takes me days... I do read this thread, but it's like this: mirrages responds: I'm fine with a time-lapse correspondence, and maybe "After Hours" is a place out of time, out of the rush and hubbub of the daily thread, and has its own "time zone". For myself, what usually happens is that I can't restrain myself from reading a new post here when I see it, but I seldom have the time right then to ruminate and respond ... and then ... life happens. So today I'm going to write at least a glancing response to begin and hope to return later. I love all the stuff you brought here from Carrie Newcomer, and your thoughts on her lyrics. A number of threads in what she and you wrote remind me of Annie Dillard's song, "Imperfectly" -- do you know it? I love her "touch me where I'm rusty / let me stain your hands" -- there's a whole lot of brave self-acceptance in that, hard to get to!
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Post by mirages on Oct 31, 2014 13:17:39 GMT -5
Happy Halloween to those who celebrate it!
In the spirit of the season, here's "The Hell of it" by Paul Williams in "The Phantom of the Paradise." Out of context this may seem pretty grim, but if you haven't seen the movie (which is awful despite the great soundtrack), it's a complete send-up and mash-up of the traditional Faust and Frankenstein stories, with Phantom of the Opera and A Star is Born thrown in for good measure. It's camp and irreverent and in this piece, Williams, who of course wrote legions of sappy sentimental megahits, takes a shot at the sentimentality that usually follows the death of a thoroughly unlikable individual. It always makes me laugh, probably because I'm one of those who usually tries to be kind and sympathetic and verges on the sentimental myself -- it reminds me a little of that "Mary Tyler Moore" episode where Mary and the crew from the TV station attend the funeral of Chuckles the Clown ... everybody else has been making bad puns all day long and Mary has been shocked and shushing them for their lack of respect for the gravity (so to speak) of the situation, and then when she gets to the funeral herself and the minister is doing a very serious eulogy for the clown who, dressed as a peanut, was crushed by an over-zealous elephant co-star, she is the one who bursts out laughing and can't stop, much to her own horror.
Listening to this soundtrack again this week in the run-up to Halloween, it struck me that this song actually works really well as an internal dialogue, where the protagonist is finally turning on the negative, joy-sucking voice in his or her own head and kicking it to the curb -- I kinda like that interpretation since I'm always in skirmishes with my inner critic when I try to produce new work.
And that led me to "Mystery Dance" by Elvis Costello for another non-sentimental take on an overly sentimental teenage death tale. I love the line, "Juliet was waiting with a safety net / He said, "Don't bury me cuz I'm not dead yet!" I think for a lot of us, it was Adam with that safety net ...
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Post by toramenor on Oct 31, 2014 14:48:16 GMT -5
OMG that reminds me of one of my favorite musicals - Spamalot, and the song Not Dead Yet. (A little background, for those who didn't watch the musical: Lancelot and Robin, before they became knights, worked as people who collected plague victims and they want to go to Camelot and enlist in King Arthur's army. Lancelot brings Fred, a plague victim, to put him on the cart, but he's not quite dead yet, hence the song... :D ) Here's just the lyrics from the recording: www.youtube.com/watch?v=wURUin2j8FUAnd here's the entire scene from the original Broadway production (it's not very clear, but it's so funny! The actors are: Hank Azaria as Sir Lancelot, David Hyde Pierce as Sir Robin, Christian Borle as Fred): www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLgQMtquS6YHappy Halloween!
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Post by rosepetal on Nov 1, 2014 10:18:46 GMT -5
Good morning everyone, I am touched that you missed me and my poems. I am doing fine and have thought about everyone here but have had zero time . My husband has not been well for several years now, so last spring we decided he would retire at 62. We put our house up for sale and started looking for one at the lake. Perfect plan ... right... Well not so much because our house sold in 2 weeks and we couldn't find a house in that length of time. So we did the unthinkable, moved into our daughter and son in laws extra room. We all get along really well but she sure has s lot of rules !!!! So we have been housing hunting like mad people. I'll be back when I have more time thanks again for the concern.
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Post by mirages on Nov 2, 2014 17:22:03 GMT -5
Good morning everyone, I am touched that you missed me and my poems. I am doing fine and have thought about everyone here but have had zero time . My husband has not been well for several years now, so last spring we decided he would retire at 62. We put our house up for sale and started looking for one at the lake. Perfect plan ... right... Well not so much because our house sold in 2 weeks and we couldn't find a house in that length of time. So we did the unthinkable, moved into our daughter and son in laws extra room. We all get along really well but she sure has s lot of rules !!!! So we have been housing hunting like mad people. I'll be back when I have more time thanks again for the concern. Oh, it's good to hear from you -- thanks for checking in, but no pressure about posting again soon -- sounds like you're in a really busy transition time. Hope your daughter cuts you a break on the rules, and that your h feels better once all the house-hunting and dislocation is over and he has a chance to settle in to your new place and relax a bit.
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Post by mirages on Nov 2, 2014 17:48:10 GMT -5
OMG that reminds me of one of my favorite musicals - Spamalot, and the song Not Dead Yet. (A little background, for those who didn't watch the musical: Lancelot and Robin, before they became knights, worked as people who collected plague victims and they want to go to Camelot and enlist in King Arthur's army. Lancelot brings Fred, a plague victim, to put him on the cart, but he's not quite dead yet, hence the song... :D ) Here's just the lyrics from the recording: And here's the entire scene from the original Broadway production (it's not very clear, but it's so funny! The actors are: Hank Azaria as Sir Lancelot, David Hyde Pierce as Sir Robin, Christian Borle as Fred): Happy Halloween! Lol, thanks for those, toramenor -- I am trying VERY hard not to go digging through Youtube to find a clip of the dead parrot sketch in reply ... but maybe instead I'll segue over into Bruce cockburn's version of "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" which made me smile (and still does) because Bruce has something of a rep for being the deep soulful type -- this is a nice counterpoint, from Python's "Life of Brain": Cockburn usually does stuff like this (and aren't the paintings great,t oo?):
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 19:26:08 GMT -5
I was just wondering if anyone else has been watching Sonic Highways the HBO doc that Dave Grohl made for the new Foo Fighters album in which he visits 8 towns and records in each. I think it's a really interesting examination of how place and community and art interact - the mutual influences of a vibrant scene. The interviews really emphasize the longevity and influence of so many musicians/producers - some well known and some not. The link of Willie Nelson in the Nashville and Austin eps was great. And it's moving to see how much music means to these people - many of whom left a lot of money on the table rather than compromise.
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Post by toramenor on Nov 11, 2014 5:07:53 GMT -5
I didn't see that documentary, but I love how you said this: I think it's a really interesting examination of how place and community and art interact - the mutual influences of a vibrant scene. I've always been fascinated by just that interaction between places and artists which creates an "art scene" or "art circle". I guess creativity breeds creativity, or at least inspires it. Creative sparks from one person ignite the fire in another and it spreads, often in an unexpected direction. I'm not a musician, so I don't know what this process is like for them, but for me, as a writer, I've found that conversing with people about the art of writing always gets me in the mood to write - to be creative. And it sometimes makes me think of those literary salons in Paris or Vienna, where thinkers and writers, philosophers and artists, came to exchange ideas and perhaps spur one another to do more, to think beyond, to envision what hadn't been dreamt yet. I wish there still existed such places, but I guess the Internet has taken over as the main social meeting place - it may not be the same, but it's accesible to anyone, any time, any place. And yet, for a girl who still likes to write with pen and paper, it's not surprising that I'm more inspired by face to face interactions or going to RL places - being part of an actual scene. Too bad I lost that a little the past couple of years... Who knows, that might be the reason my writing slowed down? I'm sure that a vibrant scene increases artistic energy. If you put a bunch of creative people together, something is bound to come out of that mix, even if it's something you did not expect.
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