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Post by mirages on Oct 5, 2014 16:37:11 GMT -5
I'm spamming the thread today, but adamrocks' post on the daily thread about Jian Gomeshi (Q" on CBC radio) and his loss of his dad moved me deeply (check out her link to his facebook page about the loss of his dad -- amazing what love can do!), and I also stopped to re-watch this old interview:
Go to 7:30 where Jian asks Adam (re: the opening lines to "Strut") what kind of revolution he wants to start. This whole passage slipped right by me at the time, but it's fascinating stuff -- Adam, as usual, is talking about a revolution which is at the same time both collective/communal and very individual.
Elsewhere in the interview, Jian and Adam talk about the tension between producing art and producing a commercial product. Adam has the capacity (because of his insanely high EQ) to be either a great commercial success OR (because of his inherent gifts) an artist, and I think he is always caught right in the middle of that tension, but trying hard to head toward "artist with a house" in the same way that he is a "rebel with a smile".
(For "artist" I am drawing on William Burroughs' assertion that "the artist is a monster" because the artist is so much in service to his art that anything else (people, ideals, "niceness", loyalties) come second.)
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Post by rosepetal on Oct 7, 2014 15:19:32 GMT -5
Hello to all, I've been underneath for a while now, fighting clinical depression is uphill battle everyday. Toramenr I certainly know what it's like to feel different. I was the poster child for weird and different when I was a child and I guess now too. I am glad to hear you grew up in a good place, who we are is often so influenced by where we've been. My father was a bipolar pedophile but I escaped early and have a good life. I've just not quite ever been able to leave the past completely where it belongs, in the past. As such I sometimes struggle day to day, but enough about me. I was so happy to see the Supreme Court decision I thought I'd drag out an old poem form a few years ago and share....mostly because no one else, save for my wonderful family cares, and I have found a new kinship and audience in you wonderful people here. I hope to read prose from others here and view all the beautiful photos and drawings, fractals ....which I really enjoyed...and all other creations Adam's wonderful fans bring here. Good day to all....rosepetal Injustice I am injustice and my reach is wide and long, I’ve strangled equality, and I cradle what is wrong. I judge equal rights on sexuality, you can’t marry Who you love, but it’s alright for me. I bare no burden to except you, for who you really are For I hold great power... and bare no mark or scar. I was born of ignorance but feed on hate and fear, I have not care for what is right, or those whom you hold dear. At times I feel like weakening and letting hope prevail But I am just the instrument, its man that guides the sail. If only he would open his soul and his mind, Then he could drive me from his heart, for I’ve no place to hide. If he could accept that all are different, yet still the same They bleed.. They love...Theylive their lives and all know my name. Perhaps one day they’ll understand and love will have its day, Equality will come rise above, and right will come to stay.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 8:24:47 GMT -5
Without darkness, nothing germinates. Without light, nothing flowers. -- May Sarton
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Post by mirages on Oct 9, 2014 15:35:09 GMT -5
Hello to all, I've been underneath for a while now, fighting clinical depression is uphill battle everyday. Toramenr I certainly know what it's like to feel different. I was the poster child for weird and different when I was a child and I guess now too. I am glad to hear you grew up in a good place, who we are is often so influenced by where we've been. My father was a bipolar pedophile but I escaped early and have a good life. I've just not quite ever been able to leave the past completely where it belongs, in the past. As such I sometimes struggle day to day, but enough about me. I was so happy to see the Supreme Court decision I thought I'd drag out an old poem form a few years ago and share....mostly because no one else, save for my wonderful family cares, and I have found a new kinship and audience in you wonderful people here. I hope to read prose from others here and view all the beautiful photos and drawings, fractals ....which I really enjoyed...and all other creations Adam's wonderful fans bring here. Good day to all....rosepetal Injustice I am injustice and my reach is wide and long, I’ve strangled equality, and I cradle what is wrong. I judge equal rights on sexuality, you can’t marry Who you love, but it’s alright for me. I bare no burden to except you, for who you really are For I hold great power... and bare no mark or scar. I was born of ignorance but feed on hate and fear, I have not care for what is right, or those whom you hold dear. At times I feel like weakening and letting hope prevail But I am just the instrument, its man that guides the sail. If only he would open his soul and his mind, Then he could drive me from his heart, for I’ve no place to hide. If he could accept that all are different, yet still the same They bleed.. They love...Theylive their lives and all know my name. Perhaps one day they’ll understand and love will have its day, Equality will come rise above, and right will come to stay.
Ah, rosepetal, I'm sorry to hear it's tough times, but you do bring lovely things out of the darkness with you through your writing -- that's brave. M. Camus has much to say about that, including this: My dear, In the midst of hate, I found there was, within me, an invincible love. In the midst of tears, I found there was, within me, an invincible smile. In the midst of chaos, I found there was, within me, an invincible calm. I realized, through it all, that… In the midst of winter, I found there was, within me, an invincible summer. And that makes me happy. For it says that no matter how hard the world pushes against me, within me, there’s something stronger – something better, pushing right back.
Truly yours, Albert Camus
And so does Mary Oliver:
"WILD GEESE" by Mary Oliver
You do not have to be good. You do not have to walk on your knees For a hundred miles through the desert, repenting. You only have to let the soft animal of your body love what it loves. Tell me about your despair, yours, and I will tell you mine. Meanwhile the world goes on. Meanwhile the sun and the clear pebbles of the rain are moving across the landscapes, over the prairies and the deep trees, the mountains and the rivers. Meanwhile the wild geese, high in the clean blue air, are heading home again. Whoever you are, no matter how lonely, the world offers itself to your imagination, calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting -- over and over announcing your place in the family of things.
Oh, and so does juniemoon! It's Canadian Thanksgiving this weekend. I'm thankful for a world of such wonderful companions as the ones we've quoted and the ones who respond here at ATop.
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Post by mirages on Oct 9, 2014 15:49:29 GMT -5
Without darkness, nothing germinates. Without light, nothing flowers. -- May Sarton Oh, that's good (both the quote and the photos. (Interesting how dark Adam is regarding the light in that screencap.) I'm embarrassed to say I'm not familiar with May Sarton, but I'm googling her now -- thank you! I've been reading Susan Murphy's "Minding the Earth, Mending the World," which is full of koans and also of encouragement to be present to and welcoming of all of it including the paradoxes, the dark and the light, coming into being and passing away so something new can emerge. "This too shall pass" ... And I love the quiet calm balanced presence of that combined Adam with one eye of each colour striding softly down the street at the end of this video.
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Post by toramenor on Oct 10, 2014 5:18:39 GMT -5
Ooh, mirages, I can't wait for you to start reading Ursula LeGuin and Earthsea - I know you will love it, for it goes right along with this darkness-light theme that got started. Here are a few lines of poetry from the very beginning of the first book, A Wizard of Earthsea:
Only in silence the word, only in dark the light, only in dying life: bright the hawk's flight on the empty sky.
And here is something from The Left Hand of Darkness:
Light is the left hand of darkness and darkness the right hand of light. Two are one, life and death, lying together like lovers in kemmer, like hands joined together, like the end and the way.
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And I'd like to continue the conversation about writing, imagination and reality by sharing these quotes by Ben Okri*:
“The worst realities of our age are manufactured realities. It is therefore our task, as creative participants in the universe, to re dream our world. The fact of possessing imagination means that everything can be re dreamed.”
“Reading, like writing, is a creative act. If readers only bring a narrow range of themselves to the book, then they'll only see their narrow range reflected in it.”
“The fact of storytelling hints at a fundamental human unease, hints at human imperfection. Where there is perfection there is no story to tell.”
“Stories can conquer fear, you know. They can make the heart bigger.”
* Ben Okri is a Nigerian poet and novelist (living in London, UK), whom I met at the 3rd International Literature Festival in Novi Sad, Serbia, where he won the 2008 Novi Sad Award for Literature. He won the Booker Prize in 1991. From Wikipedia: He has described his fiction as obeying a kind of "dream logic," and stated that his fiction is often preoccupied with the "philosophical conundrum ... what is reality?" insisting that:
"I grew up in a tradition where there are simply more dimensions to reality: legends and myths and ancestors and spirits and death... Which brings the question: what is reality? Everyone's reality is different. For different perceptions of reality we need a different language. We like to think that the world is rational and precise and exactly how we see it, but something erupts in our reality which makes us sense that there's more to the fabric of life. I'm fascinated by the mysterious element that runs through our lives. Everyone is looking out of the world through their emotion and history. Nobody has an absolute reality."
And to add to that thought, here is something I wrote about reality:
Which one is real: the event or our perception of the event? The events we experience influence and shape us. But we do not really remember the actual, "objective" event, but rather, our own subjective impression of what happened. After all, the latter is more important to our life, our future. The truth is we live subjective lives, and therefore there exist as many subjective worlds as there are humans on this planet. And each of those worlds is real, if only to that one person. And they are all different, for no two beings are the same. Is a world, then, just a dream? A collection of memories which disappears when the body dies? Millions of worlds born and dead... what were they like? Good, bad, scary, exciting, lonely, colourful? Colour... I take it for granted that there are colours in the world. But that's not true. There are colours in my world, but not in the world of a blind person, or a person who is colour-blind. Is my world, then, "more real" than theirs? Maybe reality cannot be qualified. There is no real-unreal, there is no more and less, there is no better or worse. Reality is infinite, as the universe, here and now, constantly moving and evolving, as today becomes yesterday and turns into tomorrow.
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Post by mirages on Oct 15, 2014 11:39:47 GMT -5
Ooh, mirages, I can't wait for you to start reading Ursula LeGuin and Earthsea - I know you will love it, for it goes right along with this darkness-light theme that got started. Here are a few lines of poetry from the very beginning of the first book, A Wizard of Earthsea: Only in silence the word, only in dark the light, only in dying life: bright the hawk's flight on the empty sky."Bright the hawk's flight on the empty sky" -- gorgeous and so spare -- it's almost a haiku. I had no idea there was poetry to be had in these books! I was about to start listening to it but it seems to have disappeared from my Audible library -- grrr, between this and my dishwasher breaking down right before the (Canadian) Thanksgiving holiday, I'm at odds with technology this week! Oh, and alas, my Zoomtext is now fritzing out on me (it magnifies the screen and reads aloud to me. I'm reminded of Leslie Nielsen in the movie "Airplane -- "I guess this just isn't my day to ..." It can be fixed, but I will have to return later to your post, which I hugely enjoyed. My apologies for taking so long to respond!
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Post by mirages on Oct 15, 2014 19:08:58 GMT -5
And I'd like to continue the conversation about writing, imagination and reality by sharing these quotes by Ben Okri*: “The worst realities of our age are manufactured realities. It is therefore our task, as creative participants in the universe, to re dream our world. The fact of possessing imagination means that everything can be re dreamed.”
“Reading, like writing, is a creative act. If readers only bring a narrow range of themselves to the book, then they'll only see their narrow range reflected in it.”
“The fact of storytelling hints at a fundamental human unease, hints at human imperfection. Where there is perfection there is no story to tell.”
“Stories can conquer fear, you know. They can make the heart bigger.” * Ben Okri is a Nigerian poet and novelist (living in London, UK), whom I met at the 3rd International Literature Festival in Novi Sad, Serbia, where he won the 2008 Novi Sad Award for Literature. He won the Booker Prize in 1991. From Wikipedia: He has described his fiction as obeying a kind of "dream logic," and stated that his fiction is often preoccupied with the "philosophical conundrum ... what is reality?" insisting that: "I grew up in a tradition where there are simply more dimensions to reality: legends and myths and ancestors and spirits and death... Which brings the question: what is reality? Everyone's reality is different. For different perceptions of reality we need a different language. We like to think that the world is rational and precise and exactly how we see it, but something erupts in our reality which makes us sense that there's more to the fabric of life. I'm fascinated by the mysterious element that runs through our lives. Everyone is looking out of the world through their emotion and history. Nobody has an absolute reality."And to add to that thought, here is something I wrote about reality: Which one is real: the event or our perception of the event? The events we experience influence and shape us. But we do not really remember the actual, "objective" event, but rather, our own subjective impression of what happened. After all, the latter is more important to our life, our future. The truth is we live subjective lives, and therefore there exist as many subjective worlds as there are humans on this planet. And each of those worlds is real, if only to that one person. And they are all different, for no two beings are the same. Is a world, then, just a dream? A collection of memories which disappears when the body dies? Millions of worlds born and dead... what were they like? Good, bad, scary, exciting, lonely, colourful? Colour... I take it for granted that there are colours in the world. But that's not true. There are colours in my world, but not in the world of a blind person, or a person who is colour-blind. Is my world, then, "more real" than theirs? Maybe reality cannot be qualified. There is no real-unreal, there is no more and less, there is no better or worse. Reality is infinite, as the universe, here and now, constantly moving and evolving, as today becomes yesterday and turns into tomorrow.I'm back, having rebooted Zoomtext and realized the Audible conundrum was actually a grey matter problem not a technical glitch -- I was looking for it in my Kindle library, duh! I have SO many good ways to get books into my head without using my eyes, I have a lot to be grateful for! So, "reality," eh? Yeah, what a concept. Today when my 14-year-old son got home, he said that his 20-minute walks to and from school have a "surreal" quality to them. I thought about that for a minute and then asked if maybe what they actually have is an unfamiliar REAL quality, because he is so prone to be reading a book or a manga or using his computer most of the time. There is also the difference in the feel of "reality" that has to do with how much presence we offer it ... a mindful walk is so much different than a distracted one. I have to fight for mindfulness as I tend to wander off into my own interior, and while that is equally real, it is limited because I am limited. I love the intensity and the beauty of things fully attended to ... a book on Zen I read recently pointed out that anything you make yourself fully present to, you fall in love with. I think that's true, or at least I've experienced it from time to time, and it also astonishes me that despite the richness in that, I still drift off into distraction again at the first opportunity. I wonder what Okri means by "manufactured" reality? I mean, any subjective reality is, as you point out in your own observations, manufactured -- from the vast field of what is, we pick and choose those particles that interest us, thrill or terrify us, which stick out because they surprise us or which we decide are most "real" because they chime with what we already believe. To some extent, we can only see what we are prepared to see -- Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" is to some extent a brief history of how even scientists have trouble seeing things that don't fit into what they expect to see. What you wrote about the billions of individual subjective realities made me think of the newish multiverse theory, and of my daughter saying after watching an episode of "Cosmos" that we are all the centre of the universe. It is just freaky that the universe appears so uniform in all directions, isn't it? And that, as the mystics used to say, the centre of the universe is everywhere and its circumference nowhere. And finally there is the dreaming ... the Zen book I mentioned above is by Susan Murphy, who is from Australia and has built aboriginal "dreaming" ideas into her worldview. Hindu veda suggest that we are all a dream in the mind of Brahma, or perhaps an infinite number of dreams. And there's Voltiare saying that if there were not a god, it would be necessary to invent one. Is this true of everything? Is this the function of creative work, to allow everything to come into being that must/should/wants to? And yet bringing things into being ("lifted from the no of all nothing," says ee cummings) is in a way a process of imposing limitation -- that is, we say a thing is This, and therefore it is not all other potential Thats. I do not know whether it is just the nature of our brains and their cognitive limitation or the nature of the universe, but it doesn't seem possible to have this without that, light without darkness -- to bring it back to Earthsea, as one of the wizards says, "Even to light a candle is to create a shadow." And the darkness, the shadow, is not necessarily the problem; our attempt to evade or deny our own shadow is what usually causes mayhem. I'd love to hear more of your experience at the literary congress where you met Okri, and now I may have to go check out his books, too!
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Post by toramenor on Oct 20, 2014 14:28:14 GMT -5
Speaking of dreams, I love this song. The lyrics read like poetry: Dreaming - Carrie Newcomer It started with a dream as most things new From an unformed thought when the time was due. Out of eternal night where no dawn broke, Came a pale new light and the dreamer woke. In moments clean and clear the echo bounces back, With a lonesome sound down an endless track, We are born to time and light, clay and stone A fleeting glance, skin and bone. ... And the world is wrapped in wind, And the fields are filled with stone, And it's only because we leave That we can come home. We can come on home. .... (It's from her album Everything is Everywhere - you can listen to the tracks here www.carrienewcomer.com/everything-is-everywhere/)I love the beginning: It started with a dream, and also the idea that new things/thoughts emerge when the time is due. It probably speaks to my own understanding of dreams, or imagination, as places of origin. The origin of the original. Since anything is possible in a dream, and in our imagination, that is exactly the place where new things and new ideas may be discovered. And they can be discovered, if we give ourselves permission, the freedom to discover them, when the time is right. It's as if those things and those ideas already exist there, in that eternal night where no dawn broke. They exist, but they haven't yet been brought to light. In a sense, then, they are dreaming, waiting until they are found, and then they wake up. And, sometimes, they wake us up as well... Out of eternal night where no dawn broke, Came a pale new light and the dreamer woke.
I have no idea if this is the "correct" interpretation of this song, or what the songwriter really meant to say. It's just my interpretation... I thought I'd share, for it fits in the discussion of dreams and reality and imagination. *** Regarding the above quote about "manufactured realities" - I honestly don't know what Okri meant, but I always thought it referred to being told what is real as opposed to discovering (or dreaming) your own reality. I took the meaning of "manufacture" here as in manufacturing products that are sold and bought, and the idea that reality can be (metaphorically) manufactured in a factory and sold to the masses is not entirely new... One of the oldest examples is religion, which "sells" ideas of what is real to the masses... Put those ideas in a single package and you have a "manufactured reality". Of course, any preacher has the right to create his or her reality. I just draw the line at trying to convince other people to accept it as the one and only truth, which must be believed in, otherwise you'll burn in hell, or something similar. Perhaps another example, a more modern one, could be advertising, which often also manufactures reality: with the purpose of selling you a product, they also try to sell you an idea. Politics, of course, is another example of manipulating ideas to manufacture a reality. The problem, as I see it, doesn't lie with the creation of these realities; rather, it lies with the people who buy them without question, without stopping to think, and perhaps even without the knowledge that reality can be whatever they dare dream...
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Post by mirages on Oct 22, 2014 15:07:31 GMT -5
toramenor, rich post -- I'll be back to it soon.
This one is apropos of nothing really, except that the song "Crawling from the Wreckage" by the brief but beautiful Briitish supergroup Rockpile (featuring Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe among others) popped onto my iPod just now...
I was really struck by how much it reminds me of the silliness and driving rhythm of this ...
combined with Roger Taylor's "I'm in Love with My Car" (lyric from "Crawling from the Wreckage": "When I'm disconnected from the steering wheel, I'm only half the man I should be" ...).
Mostly I think it was "Crawling"'s line "In walks Bud with his exploding nose" that reminded me of SCC's "Walkin' down the street shooting people that I meet with my rubber Tommy water gun". I just checked out Metallica's version and urgh, they changed that lyric to "fully loaded Tommy gun" -- where IS their sense of humour? (They also changed Freddie's "blow a typhoon" lyric.)
All of this reminds me a bit of something I was thinking the other day, about how once a creative image or idea is out of your head and out into the world, it has a life of its own. People interpret and use it in ways you never even dreamed. I wonder sometimes if the Great Spirit feels that way about us some days ... but to bring this back around to music, I seem to recall Talon including material about the song "Keep Yourself Alive" where Brian, who wrote it, said he intended it to be an ironic commentary but it got turned into this triumphalistic anthem. Listening to the song again now, the jeering sound of Brian's guitar for the last third of the song seems to be trying desperately to get this point across. Oh, found the clip:
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