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Post by houselady on Jan 3, 2015 0:34:38 GMT -5
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Post by cassie on Jan 3, 2015 0:35:34 GMT -5
Cassie, thank you for your comments on Adam's performance. It always makes me see things differently, when I look through the lens you create from your own mastery. I am curious about something in Adam's voice and wondered if you had a view. There are times his voice seems to break out of the "ordinary scale" and become "electric and soaring". It seems to channel something beyond human. Do you see that too? And what does it take for a human being to do THAT? IF I knew how to do that, I would be singing at the Met. If I knew how to explain it, I would be earning big bucks as a vocal coach. The sound Adam produces within his body just takes my breath away sometimes. It is like he has a dial that he turns up and an additional resonance chamber comes on line. How does he produce so much sound? All I can tell you is that he is able to build harmonic overtones in a very wide range of highly compatible frequencies. Any instrument when it produces a note, produces the basic frequency that determines the pitch. For example, an A4 that an orchestra uses to tune to is at 440 Hz, or 440 oscillations per second. (A5 is 880. A3 is 220, and so forth) But the instrument also produces harmonics: other "notes" that are heard but not as strongly as the basic frequency. You can often distinguish at least one secondary harmonic or "note" when a metal bell rings. Instruments that produce harmonics that are mathematical multiples of the basic frequency sound pure and clear. Instruments (or voices) that produce harmonics that are not mathematically related to the basic frequency sound harsh and unpleasant. Instruments that produce strong harmonics in high frequencies only sound brittle and sharp. Instruments or voices that produce a balance of mathematical harmonics in a wide variety of ranges sound rich and warm. Adam is capable of producing a crazy amount of mathematically compatible harmonics low to high. It results in his voice having that full, pure, ringing, yet warm sound. It's what we mean when we say there is a lot of resonance and richness in his tone. He has learned how to tap into the resonant spaces in his body. (Which is why I am totally confused when someone says his voice is thin. It is, in fact, just the opposite. At least to my ears. What someone else hears, what nerve cells in their ears are stimulated, who knows.) ETA: I am not for a moment saying that Adam studied the mathematical frequencies of notes and their harmonics. Heaven forbid he would have to master that. With his difficulty with math, he would never have developed a singing voice. I am talking about the physics of sound. Practically speaking, you don't have to be able to add 2 + 2 in order to learn how to produce a resonant tone, thank goodness. |
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Post by wal on Jan 3, 2015 0:44:58 GMT -5
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Post by thelambertluvva on Jan 3, 2015 0:45:50 GMT -5
I'm not worrying because it's all on YouTube. They can hear it all and more. Too true. Also, thanks for the vibrato YT. I listened to the whole thing and found it very informative. Thanks, also, Holst for the vibrato YT. I listened to the whole thing too. Very educational. |
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Post by houselady on Jan 3, 2015 0:48:28 GMT -5
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Post by wendyness on Jan 3, 2015 0:49:15 GMT -5
Thanks Cassie for all your time tonight and the information regarding singing, and Adam, and that other-worldly voice that you feel in your soul (it's been referred to here as 3-D). Fascinating stuff. Thank you.
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Post by seoulmate on Jan 3, 2015 0:50:23 GMT -5
Adam seems to have backed off of his most acrobatic, upper atmospheric high glory notes. He hit one F#5 briefly in STL, but that was it. (Of course, for 99.99% of tenors, those D5s, Eb5s etc are still supersonic.) I suspect that Adam has so refined his voice, his control, and his delivery that he doesn't feel a need to hit an impossibly high glory note, just to impress. He is impressive throughout his range. I suspect this is something he has learned working with Brian and Roger. It is also smart for being able to perform those challenging songs night after night on tour. He is learning new ways to impress and entice the audience vocally and visually. I cannot think of one moment I thought he was less that great vocally. Some folks expressed nervousness before the performance. After watching this, I hope y'all are reassured that you have NOTHING to be nervous about when Adam performs. He's got this! ... As usual, THANK YOU for your clear, beautiful post! I devour every word!!  I continue to be absolutely stunned/confused/gobsmacked by the overwhelming response to the New Years concert. I mean, I just watched the whole concert again, and it was beyond WONDERFUL. But it was a different kind of experience than all the other QAL concerts. Well, maybe it was a bit like i-Heart... I dunno. As SophieB said, there was no build up of any kind... no anticipation ramping up before the huge curtain goes up. Adam sang all the songs one after another in a very straightforward manner with few embellishments as you said, cassie. He didn't spend any time goofing around or chatting with the audience, because there wasn't time. He was totally polished, poised, and professional, and pretty much perfect as he usually is!!And I guess that's the point for me: I'm not convinced this little New Year's Eve concert was considerably better than all the other QAL concerts. For me, there's been too much magic and epic-ness in too many other cities to categorically state that NYE London was the pinnacle of perfection. I know other peeps here feel differently (like adamrocks who was so deeply moved)  And clearly, SophieB felt some very special magic going on! I have no perspective when it comes to imagining seeing/hearing Adam for the FIRST TIME. I've been in my cozy little Adam Lambert bubble for such a long time that I've come to expect perfection pretty much all the time. After 5 years, I just expect him to be his fabulous self every time he's on a stage and opens his mouth. So, it's been really overwhelming for me to read all hundreds (thousands?) of wildly enthusiastic tweets from people who are just hearing him for the very first time. It's thrilling, but also weirdly unsettling. I sit here feeling tense thinking of ALL THE YEARS of catch-up these new fans have to do!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2015 1:04:23 GMT -5
Glenn Hughes @glenn_hughes 11h With my old friend @drbrianmay ..A gentleman & scholar .. & damn fine guitar player .. ✌️ pic.twitter.com/L2xthFulyb Gary White @garywhite687 11h @glenn_hughes @drbrianmay Adam lambert's vocal range is close to yours ! Saw him with Brian & Roger on telly the other night ! Damm Good !! Glenn Hughes@glenn_hughes 10h @garywhite687 @drbrianmay Adam is fantastic ! Glenn Hughes sang at the Classic Rock Awards show as a part of California Breed. |
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Post by Jablea on Jan 3, 2015 1:33:16 GMT -5
Thanks, Holst. I remember prominent vibratos from Casey James and Jessica Sanchez on Idol. Also heard a prominent one from Alfie Boe on Bring Him Home recently but DH said it was supposed to sound like that (see told you I didn't know much about music). But if a lot of people don't like vibrato, wouldn't they dislike Freddie's also? His fans seem to think Freddie always sang perfectly no matter what but tend to nit-pick Adam to death. Hi again. The vibrato style is partly determined by the style of song and the style of singer. Absolutely, Alfie Boe would need vibrato. If anyone sang that song without it, it would sound wrong. Here is a video of a vocal teacher (obviously classically trained) discussing the different styles of vibrato. It will start playing where the guy discusses caprino ("goat" vibrato). It is considered an obnoxious sound. Adam does not have goat vibrato, but his is a slight bit fast. Freddie's is even faster. That means the oscillation of the pitch going up and down is very quick. This video also demonstrates other types of vibrato if you care to watch it. Most pop/rock singers don't have as prominent vibrato (if they have one at all) as classical singers, who are required to have vibrato. And this is where some people don't like vibrato--in pop and rock. They like a more plain or gritty tone. I've even read comments on YouTubes saying that vibrato is a crutch that covers up imperfections in pitch. Tell that to the best opera singers in the world. :  In the case of Freddie's fans who don't like Adam's vibrato--it's not necessarily that they object to vibrato, they just prefer Freddie's over Adam's. To me Freddie's is very quick and not evenly applied, neither of which I care for. Very interesting and note that he also talks about singers who claim there are no registers. I'm taking that as the break that Adam doesn't have between chest and head voice? I immediately watched some of NYE after seeing this vibrato explanation. If you are looking for it you can certainly notice it. If you are fixated on it then you might not like it. I like going back and forth between Adam's versions and Freddie's versions. They are not alike at all except in spirit which is as it should be and is what makes each of them special. |
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Post by adamrocks on Jan 3, 2015 1:37:44 GMT -5
Seoulmate I was really moved and overwhelmed by the magnitude of importance this concert was for Adam and Queen and how brilliantly they performed with all the pressure of millions watching their every move. I don't know if it was the very best ever of any QAL performances but, I felt, it was one of the most important to Adam for his career moving forward to a different level and for Queen to broaden their legacy to new generations.
I felt the pressure just sitting here at my computer watching them and once it was over I felt overwhelmed to have witnessed such an amazing concert and I was just kind of out if it for a little while. I was surprised how emotional I felt. Finally the world would understand what we have known for so long and it really made me emotional. So I really wasn't thinking about if it was the best ever performance but it's importance to Adam and Queen. It was an amazing concert.
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In the case of Freddie's fans who don't like Adam's vibrato--it's not necessarily that they object to vibrato, they just prefer Freddie's over Adam's. To me Freddie's is very quick and not evenly applied, neither of which I care for.
