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Post by Craazyforadam on May 30, 2014 10:01:33 GMT -5
yes, I can't stand Jena Irene's voice, sounds very sharp and shrill to me, and she sounds like she has her mouth full of marbles while singing too. She and Caleb will fall off the music biz radar the moment the tour is over, unfortunately, another winner duo that gives the overall show a bad rap. The public did pick the final 4 correctly, it just was a weak season. Within the 4, I would have made different choices, but overall, it was not votes, that were bad, it was just a weak field of candidates, imo.
But, then, I am spoiled in my expectations.
And because I know, it is rare, that is why I am here and such a loyal supporter of Adam. He is in a league of his own, whether some people get it or not.
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Post by cassie on May 30, 2014 12:08:02 GMT -5
yes, I can't stand Jena Irene's voice, sounds very sharp and shrill to me, and she sounds like she has her mouth full of marbles while singing too. She and Caleb will fall off the music biz radar the moment the tour is over, unfortunately, another winner duo that gives the overall show a bad rap. The public did pick the final 4 correctly, it just was a weak season. Within the 4, I would have made different choices, but overall, it was not votes, that were bad, it was just a weak field of candidates, imo. But, then, I am spoiled in my expectations. And because I know, it is rare, that is why I am here and such a loyal supporter of Adam. He is in a league of his own, whether some people get it or not. I am perplexed at how the Idol producers choose the contestants for the show. Even now that the show is waning in popularity, there are tens of thousands of people who show up for auditions. Being very conservative, let's say a total of 20,000 people audition. (Adam said it was 100,000 his year). Then, let's say that just 1% are really good. You still end up with 200 very strong contestants. From there, pick 10% with the best look and most compelling back story. That SHOULD produce a strong, interesting, talented top 20. But, nooooo. They are obviously casting the show using other criteria. But what? Are they intentionally choosing contestants who are "sorta" talented but not extraordinary? Contestants who the audience can identify with because they are like the guy in study hall or the girl who sings karaoke in church? Is the idea that to make a fairy tale come true you have to start with a girl in rags and cinders, beaten and downtrodden, so that you can turn her into a princess by the end of 18 weeks? I just don't get what they are doing with casting, but they aren't ending up with winners who are ready to make their mark in commercial pop music!
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Post by rihannsu on May 30, 2014 17:03:41 GMT -5
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Post by Craazyforadam on May 31, 2014 19:48:06 GMT -5
Just wanted to drop this off, to add to a discussion we had earlier, about closing sounds, and how important it is to pronounce them. Somebody posted an interview with Jessye Norman yesterday, but I can not find the short version that was posted anymore, instead I find this longer version on youtube. But to make my point, you would only have to listen to about the first two minutes or so. Listen, how carefully JN closes out all her sylables, i.e. the word 'band'. You can clearly hear both the n and the d sound, when she speaks. She is speaking in front of an audience, and so she is trained to over-pronounce, in order to reach everybody, even those sitting in the back, with her speech. www.youtube.com/watch?v=7747whiFrvQNow, it is rather interesting for me to hear this, because I presume, that growing up in Augusta, Georgia in the 1940s, this was not the English she would have learned at home. Which means, she had to learn this form of public speaking, somewhere, not sure, where she had that opportunity to learn it. It reminds me of my German relatives in Switzerland, who learn high German as a first foreign language. They happen to do so in school. Of course, I don't know what her situation was, except that she grew up in a family that was culturally enriching her in many ways, so maybe she received the opportunity somewhere during her school years, or maybe later, at university. I cannot speak for JN, but in general, Opera singers need to learn to be fluent in Italian, and also need to be able to sing in German and French, and still use intelligible pronunciation, so they are used to studying foreign languages, but my impression is, that she is using this made for TV English like a foreign language. It is an English that is such, that it can be easily understood both in Europe as well as America. Quite a skill, and on top of it, she pronounces in the way she would need to do for singing. What a concentration this would take, if it were not trained into her to do automatically, without thinking about it. Just give it a listen for a few minutes. ( or for the whole interview, if you want and have time - have not been able to do that myself, but might a bit later tonight) ETA: I have since listened to the whole interview and it is well worth the listen, if you have the time.
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Post by bridgeymah on Jun 1, 2014 6:23:47 GMT -5
Just dropping off an audition from The Voice Oz that might be of interest - musical theatre guy who at first glance looks like he's about to bust out just about anything but what he actually sings. Love the juxtaposition of it (and his voice isn't bad either). Will be interesting to see what they do with him in the blind auditions: youtu.be/NHLtmvK15hU
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Post by bridgeymah on Jun 1, 2014 6:29:10 GMT -5
yes, I can't stand Jena Irene's voice, sounds very sharp and shrill to me, and she sounds like she has her mouth full of marbles while singing too. She and Caleb will fall off the music biz radar the moment the tour is over, unfortunately, another winner duo that gives the overall show a bad rap. The public did pick the final 4 correctly, it just was a weak season. Within the 4, I would have made different choices, but overall, it was not votes, that were bad, it was just a weak field of candidates, imo. But, then, I am spoiled in my expectations. And because I know, it is rare, that is why I am here and such a loyal supporter of Adam. He is in a league of his own, whether some people get it or not. I am perplexed at how the Idol producers choose the contestants for the show. Even now that the show is waning in popularity, there are tens of thousands of people who show up for auditions. Being very conservative, let's say a total of 20,000 people audition. (Adam said it was 100,000 his year). Then, let's say that just 1% are really good. You still end up with 200 very strong contestants. From there, pick 10% with the best look and most compelling back story. That SHOULD produce a strong, interesting, talented top 20. But, nooooo. They are obviously casting the show using other criteria. But what? Are they intentionally choosing contestants who are "sorta" talented but not extraordinary? Contestants who the audience can identify with because they are like the guy in study hall or the girl who sings karaoke in church? Is the idea that to make a fairy tale come true you have to start with a girl in rags and cinders, beaten and downtrodden, so that you can turn her into a princess by the end of 18 weeks? I just don't get what they are doing with casting, but they aren't ending up with winners who are ready to make their mark in commercial pop music! This discussion ties into a frustration I tweeted about tonight while watching The Voice - in the battle rounds the judges seem to be continually choosing the ones that they feel they can "develop" as opposed to the better singers. I mean WTF, this isn't choir practice at the local school, it's a competition and do you want the best singer to win or not?
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Post by theosgma on Jun 1, 2014 7:21:13 GMT -5
I am perplexed at how the Idol producers choose the contestants for the show. Even now that the show is waning in popularity, there are tens of thousands of people who show up for auditions. Being very conservative, let's say a total of 20,000 people audition. (Adam said it was 100,000 his year). Then, let's say that just 1% are really good. You still end up with 200 very strong contestants. From there, pick 10% with the best look and most compelling back story. That SHOULD produce a strong, interesting, talented top 20. But, nooooo. They are obviously casting the show using other criteria. But what? Are they intentionally choosing contestants who are "sorta" talented but not extraordinary? Contestants who the audience can identify with because they are like the guy in study hall or the girl who sings karaoke in church? Is the idea that to make a fairy tale come true you have to start with a girl in rags and cinders, beaten and downtrodden, so that you can turn her into a princess by the end of 18 weeks? I just don't get what they are doing with casting, but they aren't ending up with winners who are ready to make their mark in commercial pop music! This discussion ties into a frustration I tweeted about tonight while watching The Voice - in the battle rounds the judges seem to be continually choosing the ones that they feel they can "develop" as opposed to the better singers. I mean WTF, this isn't choir practice at the local school, it's a competition and do you want the best singer to win or not? Yes bridgeymah, ITA Christina did this to a maddening degree but so do all the others. Why do they let the best singers go home? Total mystery.
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Post by bridgeymah on Jun 3, 2014 5:16:09 GMT -5
This discussion ties into a frustration I tweeted about tonight while watching The Voice - in the battle rounds the judges seem to be continually choosing the ones that they feel they can "develop" as opposed to the better singers. I mean WTF, this isn't choir practice at the local school, it's a competition and do you want the best singer to win or not? Yes bridgeymah, ITA Christina did this to a maddening degree but so do all the others. Why do they let the best singers go home? Total mystery. And the mystery continues - but at least the spectacularly tattooed theatre boy I posted above got through (thank goodness for Ricky Martin). The other thing that amazes me is they have two pretty good singers and a few somewhat average ones so let's put the good ones against each other so one gets knocked out early while because then the average ones go against each other one of them gets through... ARGHHHHHHHH sacrificial lambs for later on perhaps...
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Post by cassie on Jun 3, 2014 8:38:26 GMT -5
Yes bridgeymah, ITA Christina did this to a maddening degree but so do all the others. Why do they let the best singers go home? Total mystery. And the mystery continues - but at least the spectacularly tattooed theatre boy I posted above got through (thank goodness for Ricky Martin). The other thing that amazes me is they have two pretty good singers and a few somewhat average ones so let's put the good ones against each other so one gets knocked out early while because then the average ones go against each other one of them gets through... ARGHHHHHHHH sacrificial lambs for later on perhaps... Another thing that bugged me about the show. Stoopid.
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Post by eri9 on Jun 6, 2014 4:30:35 GMT -5
NZ is showing The Voice Australia here, not sure how far behind Aussie we are - just in the battle rounds now. I have not watched much at all, and sadly the videos posted here are not available in my region for some reason! :/ Anyway tuned in to watch the last bit of tonight's episode where Ricky had two classical singers against each other - one classically trained, one not. I could tell from the first note which was the trained singer, and a discussion was started on our NZ Adam Facebook page about it all..... what defines an "opera singer" ?? My Dad was an opera singer, and although I have had some classical training, my voice is not operatic at all! But I do know enough and explained that a classical sounding singer was not necessarily an opera singer. (eg- NZ's own Hayley Westenra, or even Andrea Botoceli I would not call opera singers). You can call yourself an opera singer when you can sing and be heard over a full orchestra in a theatre, with no amplification! As all opera singers do. I think people are impressed by classical sounding voices cos they are not used to hearing them, and they sound operatic by comparison to the singers they hear on the radio. At the same time, there are many operatic / classical singers who can not sing any other genre. This is where Adam is SO incredible. Throw any genre at him (yes, I believe he could sing opera with not too much work) and he will nail it. (except maybe country?? ) Anyway Ricky chose the girl with the training, but Joel picked up the other girl who also had a good voice. Will be interesting to see how this develops. Not sure if I'll be watching tho!
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