|
Post by laceyrose on Aug 9, 2014 13:20:05 GMT -5
This is probably OTT, but you peeps are interested in vocals and sound, so maybe not so far out of line. If so, Cassie just say and I'll delete.
OK, I usually lurk, but I'm creeping in here to tell you what happened to me in Chicago--and ruined the experience for me. (I should also mention I used the Etymonic ear plugs I had ordered for these concerts. In the past I just used the foam ones for GNT but had suffered the chipmunk effect at Indy. Didn't want that again so decided to purchase the right kind for this tour.) Anyway I was unbelieving at what I heard once the concert began. To my ears it sounded like Adam was singing off-key. Not just a little pitchy, but glaringly so. I was actually wincing and looking around to see if others were asking themselves why Brian and Roger had wanted Adam as Queen's singer! I was happy to see the rest of the audience was enjoying themselves, so I huddled in my space, wondering what was going on.
Once I got back to the hotel, I immediately went to Atop for vids. I was so happy when I heard him sounding as perfect as ever on the vids, but I just could not understand how I could have heard what I did. Can anyone explain this 'hearing fatigue' (I have dubbed it that for lack of a better term)? I was not a happy camper as, like all of you, I had been anticipating seeing QAL sometime, somehow since 2012.
I also went to Detroit with some trepidation, but this time I had a much closer seat on the other side. Up until LK Adam sounded perfect as always (I was wearing the Etymonic ear plugs again), but once he began singing LK, I once again experienced sound distortion. Taking out the ear plugs and sticking my fingers in my ears as hard as I could, the distortion went away. But I had to do this until the concert was over. (One of the ushers saw me and offered me ear plugs. Kinda embarrassed that I had my fingers in my ears, but nothing else worked at that point.)
Has anyone else ever experienced this? Am I just so sensitive to sound now that I am elderly (believe me, I attended plenty rock concerts when I was younger and never had this happen)? Is there some way to counteract this happening again or will I have to give up seeing Adam live? I was looking forward to his next tour, but not wanting to spend money if I can't hear properly. Aging presents many problems, kinda sad if it takes away this pleasure, too.
|
|
|
Post by cassie on Aug 9, 2014 15:05:14 GMT -5
So sorry to hear about your experience. I don't have a good answer for you. I know that some folks with hearing loss have an additional problem called recruitment. The sounds are too soft for them to hear so they get hearing aids or amplification and then, suddenly everything is too loud and distorted; even painful. The volume range between soft and painfully loud is very narrow for them. Since you say that fully plugging your ears with your fingers worked, I wonder if something similar was happening to you? As the show got louder or as your ears got "fatigued" they overreacted until you reduced the noise level significantly.
I tried those ear plugs as well. If inserted completely, they can block off sound like your fingers did. If inserted less deeply, they reduce the sound some but not as much. I don't have a solution for you, unfortunately, except to try different ear plugs or even ear protectors. Would hate for you to miss out on future Adam concerts.
|
|
|
Post by laceyrose on Aug 9, 2014 19:31:13 GMT -5
So sorry to hear about your experience. I don't have a good answer for you. I know that some folks with hearing loss have an additional problem called recruitment. The sounds are too soft for them to hear so they get hearing aids or amplification and then, suddenly everything is too loud and distorted; even painful. The volume range between soft and painfully loud is very narrow for them. Since you say that fully plugging your ears with your fingers worked, I wonder if something similar was happening to you? As the show got louder or as your ears got "fatigued" they overreacted until you reduced the noise level significantly. I tried those ear plugs as well. If inserted completely, they can block off sound like your fingers did. If inserted less deeply, they reduce the sound some but not as much. I don't have a solution for you, unfortunately, except to try different ear plugs or even ear protectors. Would hate for you to miss out on future Adam concerts. Thanks, Cassie. I never thought of using ear protectors. I might get some strange looks, but if I can hear Adam 'right' it would be worth it.
|
|
|
Post by rihannsu on Aug 9, 2014 19:53:40 GMT -5
So sorry to hear about your experience. I don't have a good answer for you. I know that some folks with hearing loss have an additional problem called recruitment. The sounds are too soft for them to hear so they get hearing aids or amplification and then, suddenly everything is too loud and distorted; even painful. The volume range between soft and painfully loud is very narrow for them. Since you say that fully plugging your ears with your fingers worked, I wonder if something similar was happening to you? As the show got louder or as your ears got "fatigued" they overreacted until you reduced the noise level significantly. I tried those ear plugs as well. If inserted completely, they can block off sound like your fingers did. If inserted less deeply, they reduce the sound some but not as much. I don't have a solution for you, unfortunately, except to try different ear plugs or even ear protectors. Would hate for you to miss out on future Adam concerts. Thanks, Cassie. I never thought of using ear protectors. I might get some strange looks, but if I can hear Adam 'right' it would be worth it. It could be the plugs were just not staying in place well enough or you didn't really have them in far enough. I wore them for all my concerts but I noticed I did have to readjust them several times throughout the concerts. The full coverage ear protectors might be a better solution for you. Sometimes venues have ear protectors available so depending on what is available at your next concert you might be able to try out the full coverage type.
|
|
|
Post by laceyrose on Aug 10, 2014 18:57:40 GMT -5
Thanks, Cassie. I never thought of using ear protectors. I might get some strange looks, but if I can hear Adam 'right' it would be worth it. It could be the plugs were just not staying in place well enough or you didn't really have them in far enough. I wore them for all my concerts but I noticed I did have to readjust them several times throughout the concerts. The full coverage ear protectors might be a better solution for you. Sometimes venues have ear protectors available so depending on what is available at your next concert you might be able to try out the full coverage type. I thought I had the Etymonics in as far as they would go. Perhaps I purchased the wrong size since I didn't really know which size to order. I will ask at the next venue if they have ear protectors available. It never occurred to me they might have any. Thanks for the advice, rhiannsu.
|
|
Holst
Member
Posts: 4,786
Location:
|
Post by Holst on Aug 10, 2014 18:58:22 GMT -5
Oh, please. Don't make me listen. I couldn't stand more than 30 seconds of it. This is what give opera such a bad reputation. It is painful! And it is so wrong! Just because you CAN sing like this, doesn't mean you SHOULD sing every song like this. There is a time and place for everything. The truth is, most classically trained opera singers cannot sing pop convincingly or even pleasingly, any more than most pop singers cannot begin to sing opera credibly. Country singers can't sing rock, and vice versa. Broadway singers cannot sing country or pop or opera. They just cannot adapt their technique to suit songs outside their genre of concentration or training. UNLESS THEY ARE ADAM LAMBERT. ITA cassie...but the really annoying thing is that 3 of the 4 judges gushed all sorts of unmitigated crap about how wonderful they were....and I sat there thinking "did they hear the same thing I did?" or am I losing it....till Howard set them straight. I hate it when the TV offerings are so bad I am reduced to AGT or dishes....sigh...well my counters are now tidy lol cheers I had a very different reaction to ACTE II. I don't like opera singers doing pop either, but I think they are trying to make pop operatic--sounding like an aria on purpose. They sand in non-English as the beginning. I think their voices match well, and the vibrato is, well, operatic. They sang in tune to my ears. They are well trained so I can appreciate the performance. These shows frequently feature operatic voices that aren't all that good -- in the classical world standards. But the average person probably cannot distinguish an average opera-style voice from a good one. So I'll say it is well sung, but not my cuppa.
|
|
|
Post by cassie on Aug 11, 2014 19:55:21 GMT -5
I wrote this a while back in response to the continuing debate on whether the qualities of a "good" singer are subjective or objective. Can they be described and quantified. I analyzed why Adam's voice sounds so "good" to many of us. The topic came up again recently in a PM. Since this thread is currently at 86 pages and I have no idea how to find the original post, I am reposting. Maybe it will be of interest to our newer members. What makes Adam’s voice “good?” Is it just a matter of personal taste and preference? Or is there some “objective” measure of voice quality? As with all forms of art, the answers are open for fierce debate. For example, Thomas Kincade is probably the most beloved painter in the USA in many years. But, if you ask art experts and critics, they are likely to roll their eyes at the mention. In answering the question of what makes Adam’s voice good, then, I will approach it from the perspective of a classically trained musician and singer. 1. Adam’s vocal tone or timbre. His natural tone is bright, pure, clear and ringing. It also has a fullness, or roundness so that it does not sound brittle, shrill or shriek-y. (And no, he never screams. It’s hell on the voice.) He has remarkable resonance to his tone that you can hear in every song in every genre. He is able to produce complimentary harmonics that enhance the basic frequency of the pitch. (For more info on harmonics, check out www.behindthemixer.com/why-harmonics-are-important-understand/ or www2.siba.fi/akustiikka/?id=42&la=en) This is partly a result of his innate physiology – his body has wonderful resonance chambers. It is also the result of rigorous training and practice in order to be able to use that resonance to its maximum effect. If you have listened to other singers you might have been puzzled that their voices seem so weak or even dull compared to Adam’s. Some have said that it is the result of their microphones not being set correctly. Nope, folks, it is not the sound system. It is his technique that produces such rich harmonic resonance. 2. Adam’s range. This is the aspect of Adam’s voice that is most often mentioned, and it is mighty impressive. It is not merely the number of octaves he can produce. (Documented to be a little over three octaves of USEABLE range.) That is unusual, but certainly not unheard of. What is more important is that he can produce the notes with a variety of sounds or textures. He has a rich, warm low register, which we are able to hear in “Runnin’.” He has a light, pure head voice that gently caresses the notes in “By The Rules.” But, then, he can also sing in his low register with the same light tone as his head voice. With no noticeable “break” or change going from low to high, or high to low. Conversely, he can take the strength of his chest voice and incorporate it with a blending of head voice for a very powerful mid-range and upper range, still retaining that resonance and ring without the sound of strain or push. Listening to Adam belt out notes high into the fifth octave, singers shake their heads in wonder. For a tenor to sing that high in head voice is impressive. To belt in a blended or mixed voice is nigh to impossible. He should not be able to do that. But he does. 3. Adam’s control and consistency. Untrained singers hit some notes strongly, wobble on others, cut some short, slur over some, sing some a tad flat and others a little sharp and even have notes that break. One mark of a highly trained singer is his ability to sing a musical phrase where every note is on pitch, strong, full, and of the same quality and tone as those before and those after. Adam also can control the tone of his voice, choosing whether to float it in head voice or belt it in mixed voice. A perfect example is in Mad World, when he sings the word “nervous.” He flips from a light chest voice to his head voice on the second syllable of that word every time he sings it. He doesn’t have to in order to hit the note. It is a stylistic, interpretive choice that is totally under his control. You also hear it in “Outlaws of Love,” “they say we’ll rot in hell, but I don’t think we will.” He shifts to a light, slightly breathy head voice for the high notes throughout the song, making it sound vulnerable and almost like a sigh. The last time, though, he belts it out in defiance and determination. Because we have heard him sing it that way many times, we know that it is an interpretive choice totally under his control. 4. Adam’s breath control and support. Anyone who listens to “Come To Me, Bend To Me” knows that Adam has a third lung hidden somewhere. One expects phrases of that length in opera, but never from a pop singer. I have never heard another singer perform “Who Wants to Live Forever” and sing “Who wants/ to live/ foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr when love must die!” with the last part in one extremely powerful breath. Again, that kind of breath control/support is expected in an operatic aria, not from a rock singer. His breath control also is what allows for his control and consistency mentioned earlier. 5. Adam’s articulation. Not often mentioned, listeners can understand almost every word that Adam sings. With many other pop/rock singers performing live, if one is not familiar with the song, most of the lyrics are indecipherable. With Adam, it is quite the opposite. This is another tool he has picked up from his formal, classical training. In musical theater and opera, the lyrics of the song advance the plot, tell a story, or reveal the inner thoughts and feelings of the character. It is vital that the audience can understand them. 6. Adam’s versatility and flexibility. Many classically trained singers cannot adapt and modify their technique to effectively and convincingly sing pop or rock. It always sounds like musical theater or opera. Adam bounces back and forth between genres with ease. Adam can sing with a pure, clear tone or he can make it breathy and/or raspy. He can extend notes, words and phrases in a smooth arc or he can clip them short, adding percussive beginnings and ends to them in a rock/dance style. He can sing with a rich, full classical vibrato, with a light, barely there vibrato, or with a completely straight tone and switch from one to another on a single note. It is totally under his control. He can blend his voice with others or float or belt it out on top of all others. He can sound like a baritone, a tenor or a mezzo soprano. He can sound like Elvis, Michael Jackson, Prince, and probably several of the female divas as well. These are just some of the reasons that I say with total confidence that Adam has a “good” voice, and is an exceptional singer. I concentrated only on the “voice” and the technique behind it, not on his other strength which is his amazing ability to interpret a song in a way that touches hearts and souls, or makes us want to dance with abandon. Aren’t we lucky that we have found such a consummate artist to stan?
|
|
Holst
Member
Posts: 4,786
Location:
|
Post by Holst on Aug 11, 2014 22:05:03 GMT -5
Cassie, well worth reading again. That's very well written.
|
|
|
Post by cassie on Aug 11, 2014 22:45:44 GMT -5
Thanks, Holst. I value your comments.
|
|
|
Post by bridgeymah on Aug 12, 2014 5:59:20 GMT -5
1 through 6 with chocolate sprinkles on top! Great deconstruction Cassie. Thanks for reposting.
|
|