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Post by Jablea on Aug 5, 2015 17:11:36 GMT -5
cassie can you put up a piano picture with the keys marked in your last post again. I got confused with C3 being below middle C for a low note and yet F3 being a high note. I need visuals, thanks.
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Post by cassie on Aug 5, 2015 17:43:39 GMT -5
cassie can you put up a piano picture with the keys marked in your last post again. I got confused with C3 being below middle C for a low note and yet F3 being a high note. I need visuals, thanks. Sorry to confuse you. F3 is a low note. Well, lower than middle C. What I meant was that Adam sings C3, D3, E3, and F3 in a very low, breathy, rather weak register. That's just a result of his anatomy, not a criticism. I would put up a picture with the keys marked, but I don't know how to mark the keys. So here is a video of a C major scale. The right hand is demonstrated first. The notes played are C4, D4, E4, F4, G4, A4, B4, C5. (On the piano, everything is referenced in relation to the middle C key, which is the fourth C on the piano keyboard. Hence C4.)Then, he demonstrates two hands and two octaves. The right hand starts on C3, D3, E3, F3, G3, A3, B3, C4, then continues as before. The left hand starts at C2, D2, E2, F2, G2, A2, B2, C3 and continues. www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDWKzG5oaog |
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Post by rihannsu on Aug 5, 2015 19:01:22 GMT -5
I think the confusion originates from this line which makes it sound like F3 is higher than C3.
"Moving up from the C3, I have heard Adam sing up to about an F3 repeatedly"
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Post by cassie on Aug 5, 2015 19:49:15 GMT -5
I think the confusion originates from this line which makes it sound like F3 is higher than C3. "Moving up from the C3, I have heard Adam sing up to about an F3 repeatedly" It is higher. C3, D3, E3, F3, G3.... etc. But C4 is middle C so anything with a 3 after it is lower in his range. |
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Post by theosgma on Aug 5, 2015 20:05:40 GMT -5
Cassie, do you think there is any detriment to Adam's voice if he pursues the falsetto instead of the head voice or is it just another tool he can use and obviously something he wants to explore in this era? Same question with respect to the low notes.
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Post by red panda on Aug 5, 2015 20:10:23 GMT -5
cassie girl, I officially adore you.
First of all, and I know I have told you this before, thank you for exponentetially increasing my awe at the wonderful Adam's voice, and training, and dedication, and practice. I know you know it increases my enjoyment and gives me a real basis for why he makes me feel so many feels.
But also I feel so fortunate to have you on this board for this reason: I could probably do some research and learn some things about the voice. But your explanations are specific to Adam. I so appreciate this. It is not just a bout a head voice, it is about Adam's head voice. I couldn't find that anywhere else.
Thank you so much.
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Post by cassie on Aug 5, 2015 20:50:04 GMT -5
There should not be any problem with his voice from working on the falsetto. It is POSSIBLE he could cause damage if he pushed too hard to expand the low notes, but I would assume he is working with a coach to do it most efficiently and safely.
Not to worry. Just personally wish he wouldn't.
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Post by Jablea on Aug 5, 2015 20:55:47 GMT -5
I think the confusion originates from this line which makes it sound like F3 is higher than C3. "Moving up from the C3, I have heard Adam sing up to about an F3 repeatedly" It is higher. C3, D3, E3, F3, G3.... etc. But C4 is middle C so anything with a 3 after it is lower in his range. its the "up to about F3" part which makes it sound like the highest note he can sing is an F3. I know he can sing higher than me so I know that's not what you are meaning. But because of that I don't understand what do you mean by "up to about"? |
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Post by cassie on Aug 5, 2015 21:39:20 GMT -5
I was obviously not at all clear. I am talking about the very low end of his range, starting at the C3, or the C below middle C. The third C on the keyboard (of a full 88 key piano). Walking up the scale from there you have D3, E3, and F3. Those notes are also at the lowest part of his range. Those notes have the least resonance and the least strength of any notes in his whole impressive range.
Then, at about G3, four notes below middle C, another register and vocal technique kicks in. His voice gets stronger, more ringing, and more flexible. He actually is producing the sound differently, operating the muscles differently starting at G3. It is not a matter of preference, or even choice of sound. It is the result of his vocal anatomy. This is where Adam's voice starts sitting most comfortably, and producing the notes is easiest. He predominantly sings from G3-B4 a majority of the time.
As an analogy, starting at the bottom of his range, and walking up the scale a note at a time, think of it as C3-F3 is first gear. G3-D4 is second gear. E4-G4 is third gear. A4 and above switches to head voice and is fourth gear, where the engine works without effort or revving, but just sort of coasts.
However, with Adam, there is an alternative to fourth gear. Starting at A4-C5, if sung with full voice, is like overdrive. D5 and above in full voice is some kind of freak overdrive with an afterburner.
So, Adam's range, as we have heard it live with full voice, is B2(very rarely), C3, D3, E3, F3, [shift], G3, A3, B3, C4, D4, [shift], E4, F4, G4, [shift], A4, B4, C5, [shift], D5, E5, F5, G5, A5, Bb5. Three octaves. Each "gear" requires a different technique and approach to vocal production.
Did I make it any clearer???????
*Caveat: The notes are approximate, based on what I have heard over a number of songs and renditions. It could vary by a half-note or so, depending on his energy level, amount of warm-up, volume, or emotional approach.
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Post by theosgma on Aug 6, 2015 22:25:02 GMT -5
I was obviously not at all clear. I am talking about the very low end of his range, starting at the C3, or the C below middle C. The third C on the keyboard (of a full 88 key piano). Walking up the scale from there you have D3, E3, and F3. Those notes are also at the lowest part of his range. Those notes have the least resonance and the least strength of any notes in his whole impressive range. Then, at about G3, four notes below middle C, another register and vocal technique kicks in. His voice gets stronger, more ringing, and more flexible. He actually is producing the sound differently, operating the muscles differently starting at G3. It is not a matter of preference, or even choice of sound. It is the result of his vocal anatomy. This is where Adam's voice starts sitting most comfortably, and producing the notes is easiest. He predominantly sings from G3-B4 a majority of the time. As an analogy, starting at the bottom of his range, and walking up the scale a note at a time, think of it as C3-F3 is first gear. G3-D4 is second gear. E4-G4 is third gear. A4 and above switches to head voice and is fourth gear, where the engine works without effort or revving, but just sort of coasts. However, with Adam, there is an alternative to fourth gear. Starting at A4-C5, if sung with full voice, is like overdrive. D5 and above in full voice is some kind of freak overdrive with an afterburner. So, Adam's range, as we have heard it live with full voice, is B2(very rarely), C3, D3, E3, F3, [shift], G3, A3, B3, C4, D4, [shift], E4, F4, G4, [shift], A4, B4, C5, [shift], D5, E5, F5, G5, A5, Bb5. Three octaves. Each "gear" requires a different technique and approach to vocal production. Did I make it any clearer??????? *Caveat: The notes are approximate, based on what I have heard over a number of songs and renditions. It could vary by a half-note or so, depending on his energy level, amount of warm-up, volume, or emotional approach. Good job. Very clear |
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