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Post by marie23 on Jan 26, 2012 18:18:42 GMT -5
Cassie I was just listening to this song online, after a discussion with a friend on twitter regarding big voiced belters. I was just wondering what you view on this was. When I was listening, even though I enjoyed her voice, I think she was singing in a way to emphasize or showcase her voice in all it's dynamics, whether it was a belt, high note, or just subtle runs, more so than trying to interpret the song and it's meaning. I was just wondering what your thoughts were on this. Honestly? To quote someone, "Pure, indigent rubbish.". She sings it so slowly, with so many embellishments, I lose all track of what the song is saying. Yes, it shows off her voice. But, it is almost a parody of singing a heartfelt love song. Talk about OTT! It reminds me of James Brown, singing with such "passion" that he fell to the ground and had to be helped off the stage only to revive, break away from his helper, and come back to sing another impassioned verse, then collapse again. PUHLEEEEZ. But, I guess that is the style. The audience seemed to love it. I just wanted her to get the hell done with it. To each their own. (and the girl sure did push her voice a lot. You can clearly hear the force behind some note, and the way her voice almost cracks. No wonder she has no voice left.) Awww, I liked it.  But I was listening mainly because I liked the tone of her voice and the little tricks she was doing with it. I posted because, only about like my 5th time listening to it, I realized that there was no interpretation of the lyrics, just singing and showing off. That's what I like about Adam, (most of the time ) is that, even though he does these little embellishments, and OTT vocal acrobatics, but they almost always go along with the interpretation of lyrics that he is trying convey. Like in FS WLL, there was a lot of embellishing in there, and it was slowed down, but he sang it in a way that you had no doubt whatsoever in your mind what he was singing about. Anyway, saying thanks for your input  |
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Post by cassie on Jan 27, 2012 0:31:00 GMT -5
Honestly? To quote someone, "Pure, indigent rubbish.". She sings it so slowly, with so many embellishments, I lose all track of what the song is saying. Yes, it shows off her voice. But, it is almost a parody of singing a heartfelt love song. Talk about OTT! It reminds me of James Brown, singing with such "passion" that he fell to the ground and had to be helped off the stage only to revive, break away from his helper, and come back to sing another impassioned verse, then collapse again. PUHLEEEEZ. But, I guess that is the style. The audience seemed to love it. I just wanted her to get the hell done with it. To each their own. (and the girl sure did push her voice a lot. You can clearly hear the force behind some note, and the way her voice almost cracks. No wonder she has no voice left.) Awww, I liked it. But I was listening mainly because I liked the tone of her voice and the little tricks she was doing with it. I posted because, only about like my 5th time listening to it, I realized that there was no interpretation of the lyrics, just singing and showing off. That's what I like about Adam, (most of the time ) is that, even though he does these little embellishments, and OTT vocal acrobatics, but they almost always go along with the interpretation of lyrics that he is trying convey. Like in FS WLL, there was a lot of embellishing in there, and it was slowed down, but he sang it in a way that you had no doubt whatsoever in your mind what he was singing about. Anyway, saying thanks for your input Oops. I didn't mean to criticize a song you really enjoyed. But, I see where you are coming from with the interpretation. I think Whitney was trying to be all emotional about the lyrics, and personal. That is why she drags it out, puts in the dramatic pauses, etc. To me, tho, it sounded phony. Just too much. And, ironically, for both you and me, the meaning of the lyrics, instead of being enhanced, was lost. Adam is a superb interpreter of music and lyrics. Can't wait to hear the next album. |
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Post by gabby on Jan 27, 2012 21:42:50 GMT -5
Cassie...cassie...cassie .... You are spoiling us! :D Everytime I listen to somebody sings I now analyze: 1. Can I understand what they are singing about? The enunciation, phrasing and message delivery2. Are they struggling to reach that high note? Face getting red, veins getting prominent on the neck/forehead/wherever or getting out of breath3. Are they using falsetto/head/chest voice? Just learned from you recently4. How are they compared to Adam? How would Adam deliver this song IF he covers it.... 5. Will I buy the song? Would not say never but it is so hard to lower your standard when you have the best. Well, just like Simon said: "Who can top that now?" The only POP DVD I had was Whitney Houston's with her singing SPB because I used it before a medical forum discussion to open the debate like a sporting event! Don't even know where it is now... ??? Anyway, thank you so much for your help in opening our minds re: Voice as an instrument and greater appreciation of Adam's gift. So happy you are here in this forum. 
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Post by cassie on Jan 27, 2012 22:25:14 GMT -5
Cassie...cassie...cassie .... You are spoiling us! :D Everytime I listen to somebody sings I now analyze: 1. Can I understand what they are singing about? The enunciation, phrasing and message delivery2. Are they struggling to reach that high note? Face getting red, veins getting prominent on the neck/forehead/wherever or getting out of breath3. Are they using falsetto/head/chest voice? Just learned from you recently4. How are they compared to Adam? How would Adam deliver this song IF he covers it.... 5. Will I buy the song? Would not say never but it is so hard to lower your standard when you have the best. Well, just like Simon said: "Who can top that now?" The only POP DVD I had was Whitney Houston's with her singing SPB because I used it before a medical forum discussion to open the debate like a sporting event! Don't even know where it is now... ??? Anyway, thank you so much for your help in opening our minds re: Voice as an instrument and greater appreciation of Adam's gift. So happy you are here in this forum.  Gabby: You just made my day, my week, my month. Thank you so much. So glad that I can share my love for Adam's artistry and people can hear what I hear. Sorry if I ruined other singers for you. :-/ :-/ |
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Post by Holst on Jan 28, 2012 20:10:22 GMT -5
Not an Adam voice topic, but does your throat hurt when hearing the Nickelback singer? Since I've been actually listening to the radio now, I've been hearing that voice that sounds so shouty in his higher range. I finally figured out who it is. (As has been discussed, it's frustrating to hear music and not have the DJ say who performs any of it.)
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Post by cassie on Jan 28, 2012 20:27:53 GMT -5
Not an Adam voice topic, but does your throat hurt when hearing the Nickelback singer? Since I've been actually listening to the radio now, I've been hearing that voice that sounds so shouty in his higher range. I finally figured out who it is. (As has been discussed, it's frustrating to hear music and not have the DJ say who performs any of it.) Sure does. Driving today I heard Bruno's song about Let It Rain. Is that the song that he said he wrote in the key of "WTF?" All his songs sound that way to me. Like he is pushing a boulder up a steep hill. I also heard Adele and thought, "Why didn't someone way back when anticipate that she would blow out her voice singing like that?" I am glad that you are teaching your students how to access and use their head voice. You may be saving voices for a generation. |
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Post by lambo on Jan 30, 2012 18:45:19 GMT -5
Sure does. Driving today I heard Bruno's song about Let It Rain. Is that the song that he said he wrote in the key of "WTF?" All his songs sound that way to me. Like he is pushing a boulder up a steep hill. I also heard Adele and thought, "Why didn't someone way back when anticipate that she would blow out her voice singing like that?" I am glad that you are teaching your students how to access and use their head voice. You may be saving voices for a generation. Totally agree! Been hearing a lot of male singers in particular doing the whole really high belting thing lately, Bruno Mars, Lloyd, Labrinth, but not with the best technique and quite harmful sounding. I've been quite impressed by Gotye's technique though! |
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Post by gabby on Feb 1, 2012 20:58:07 GMT -5
One of my dreams for Adam to sing with Queen....
Cassie... I know this is a studio version and I was impressed with Freddie Mercury's phrasing and delivery of the song as a whole. Too much emotion conveyed in his delivery. Beautiful lyrics ... some of which I can apply to how Adam affects me... "Everytime you make a move you destroy my mind'' :D
I would love to hear Adam's version of this. FM sang this live but he sounded out of breath so I was wondering if he was already sick at that time. What is your take of FM's studio recording delivery? Thanks.
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Post by cassie on Feb 2, 2012 1:26:54 GMT -5
One of my dreams for Adam to sing with Queen.... Cassie... I know this is a studio version and I was impressed with Freddie Mercury's phrasing and delivery of the song as a whole. Too much emotion conveyed in his delivery. Beautiful lyrics ... some of which I can apply to how Adam affects me... "Everytime you make a move you destroy my mind'' :D I would love to hear Adam's version of this. FM sang this live but he sounded out of breath so I was wondering if he was already sick at that time. What is your take of FM's studio recording delivery? Thanks. Oh, my. That is a beautiful song. But, I couldn't help but think, the whole time I listened, how Adam would kill it. FM's voice is soft and tender, but it has no tone, no ring. It is breathy thruout. Can you imagine Adam's pure, clear voice singing this? I would love to hear him do this with Queen. I imagine that Freddie is playing the keys on this, no? I think his emotional interpretation starts with the piano. It sings. Stretching phrases here, accelerating there, softer, louder, now pausing. FM plays the piano as he wants it to accompany the singing. The two are in sync. and together interpret the song. The piano part is designed to support the phrases as FM wants to sing them. Again, I think that Adam would stretch and connect some of the lines into longer phrases. FM sings them just a line at a time. Not being at all critical. Those are the natural breaks in the poetry. It's just that Adam sometimes elongates the lyrical phrases in ways you would not expect, but which add meaning. So, I guess what I am saying, since you asked my opinion, is that is a lovely song. FM does a nice job on it. Adam would take it to another level. IMHO. (and I would be able to understand all the lyrics without straining). Don't mind me. Adam has ruined not only AI for me, but makes so many other respected artists pale in comparison. |
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Post by cassie on Feb 2, 2012 1:43:24 GMT -5
I could swear that someone posted videos of Dolly and Whitney singing I Will Always Love You, asking for comments. I refrained from commenting, hoping others would chime in. I don't want to be the only one making comments to others, as there are many "experts" on this forum.
Now, I cannot find the post. Did someone post and then delete? Well, not fast enough. I did listen to both versions. Here's my response.
I do NOT enjoy country music. There is something about the twang, the note scooping, the pronunciation that is unpleasant for me. I admit to my prejudice. I associate it with "white trailer trash", a lack of sophistication,. It is hard to ignore my "knee-jerk" reaction and comment on Dolly's version. Dialed back, but still very country sounding to me. Still, she sang it authentically for her. It was simple and genuine. Intimate and heartfelt.
Whitney has the stronger voice and the richer tone. She also can (or, more accurately, could) belt with great power. As such, she creates a wider arc to the song. softer lows, and stronger highs. Whether that is "better" is probably a matter of taste. Again, I have a hard time separating her later, live, over the top, milked for everything it is worth and then some, performances that made me roll my eyes, from this less bombastic version. I hear echoes of the "self-indulgent" later performances in the earlier version. But, if I ignore that, her version is powerful.
Which is better? A matter of taste. A matter of style preference. Both do a very nice job in their genre. I think I prefer Dolly's version because it feels more honest to me.
Since the original post is gone now, if whoever posted it doesn't want my comments, I will delete this post. But, since I welcome all contributors, I didn't want whoever posted it to think I was ignoring their comments.
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But I was listening mainly because I liked the tone of her voice and the little tricks she was doing with it. I posted because, only about like my 5th time listening to it, I realized that there was no interpretation of the lyrics, just singing and showing off. 
