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Post by nica575 on Jul 24, 2014 17:04:03 GMT -5
Hmm now I'm confused.. so cassie thinks it's now the voice, but you and some others don't?  I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but I think it was not his voice or at least not just his voice. But, what I can do when I get a chance is use some fancy software to look at the frequency spectrum of that note in my audio recording and see what shows up. That might give some indication. But about the sound quality in the venue in general, different people seem to have a different opinion. This is likely because the sound quality can vary from location to location in the same venue. Where I was in the Merriweather venue, and I had THE BEST SEAT in the house - 1st row in from of the tip of the thrust, the sound was awesome all night!!! I heard a number of people say that the sound at the Mohegan Sun venue was better than at the MSG, but not for me. I was 3rd row on the lower riser level at MSG and half way up in the very upper riser level at Mohegan Sun. At Mohegan Sun, I was getting the sound bouncing off of the walls and ceiling while at the MSG the sound did not have this problem where I was sitting. At the MSG, the sound problems I heard had to do with too much echo delay on the mic. So, as in real-estate, LOCATION in a venue matters when determining the sound quality! Funny... For me it was the opposite: I was in the upper level by the stage at the MSG and had excellent clear sound. I was on the first level riser, mid way up at the Mix level at Mohegan Sun and the sound was echoing and overlapping with singing - quite annoying at times.... I also hear the distortion at those moments.... lucky us, we can only question a couple of moments over the whole tour  </img> |
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Post by DancyGeorgia on Jul 24, 2014 23:16:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but I think it was not his voice or at least not just his voice. But, what I can do when I get a chance is use some fancy software to look at the frequency spectrum of that note in my audio recording and see what shows up. That might give some indication. But about the sound quality in the venue in general, different people seem to have a different opinion. This is likely because the sound quality can vary from location to location in the same venue. Where I was in the Merriweather venue, and I had THE BEST SEAT in the house - 1st row in from of the tip of the thrust, the sound was awesome all night!!! I heard a number of people say that the sound at the Mohegan Sun venue was better than at the MSG, but not for me. I was 3rd row on the lower riser level at MSG and half way up in the very upper riser level at Mohegan Sun. At Mohegan Sun, I was getting the sound bouncing off of the walls and ceiling while at the MSG the sound did not have this problem where I was sitting. At the MSG, the sound problems I heard had to do with too much echo delay on the mic. So, as in real-estate, LOCATION in a venue matters when determining the sound quality! Funny... For me it was the opposite: I was in the upper level by the stage at the MSG and had excellent clear sound. I was on the first level riser, mid way up at the Mix level at Mohegan Sun and the sound was echoing and overlapping with singing - quite annoying at times.... I also hear the distortion at those moments.... lucky us, we can only question a couple of moments over the whole tour </img> Acoustics in these venues is so complex! Which is why it is so hard for them to get it right. But, I must say that the sound mix at the QAL shows has been far better than concerts!!! It was never too loud or too distorted for me and I am usually the first to complain about these things. And I could understand most of the words Adam was singing! |
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Post by toramenor on Jul 30, 2014 5:11:40 GMT -5
I don't know that this post belongs in the Vocal Masterclass thread, but it's not for daily news, and it is partially connected to Adam's voice, both the actual vocals and the metaphorical 'voice', or rather, my perception of his voice. Hoping you'll forgive my tendency to be a bit philosophical, but I am a very 'thinking' kind of person, and these are just a few thoughts I scribbled down.
Adam Lambert can change the color of his voice with such consistency and accuracy, without compromising either the strength or the purity of tone, that I see it as proof of not just his marvelous vocal technique, but also of how open and accepting his mind is - he is "in tune" with all the different colors and facets of his inner being; he is open to different sides of himself and fully accepts and embraces them, rejoicing in the variety rather than attempting to exclude or silence certain parts of himself in favor of others. That, to me, is the most inspiring thing about him, even beyond his social activism or his empowering music. He keeps showing the world that a person can and should celebrate and express ALL the differently-colored threads that are woven into his or her being. In other words, the 'message' I get from him is: be ALL of yourself, not just ONE part of yourself - a 'message' which has always been my motto in life and one that I wish I could spread around me--and in my mind, Adam is doing that just by being himself, and (consciously or subconsciously) he is helping spread it across the world.
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Post by Holst on Aug 2, 2014 12:36:40 GMT -5
I don't know that this post belongs in the Vocal Masterclass thread, but it's not for daily news, and it is partially connected to Adam's voice, both the actual vocals and the metaphorical 'voice', or rather, my perception of his voice. Hoping you'll forgive my tendency to be a bit philosophical, but I am a very 'thinking' kind of person, and these are just a few thoughts I scribbled down. Adam Lambert can change the color of his voice with such consistency and accuracy, without compromising either the strength or the purity of tone, that I see it as proof of not just his marvelous vocal technique, but also of how open and accepting his mind is - he is "in tune" with all the different colors and facets of his inner being; he is open to different sides of himself and fully accepts and embraces them, rejoicing in the variety rather than attempting to exclude or silence certain parts of himself in favor of others. That, to me, is the most inspiring thing about him, even beyond his social activism or his empowering music. He keeps showing the world that a person can and should celebrate and express ALL the differently-colored threads that are woven into his or her being. In other words, the 'message' I get from him is: be ALL of yourself, not just ONE part of yourself - a 'message' which has always been my motto in life and one that I wish I could spread around me--and in my mind, Adam is doing that just by being himself, and (consciously or subconsciously) he is helping spread it across the world. Beautifully put. I would not hesitate at all to post that in the main daily thread. |
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Post by cassie on Aug 3, 2014 12:10:58 GMT -5
Some of us have been concerned interested in how Adam will maintain his voice through such a grueling set and tour, and whether he may be straining his voice. I recently checked in with our resident voice and Adam expert, Angelina Kalahari. Her response? "That's what we opera singers do! We sing 2.5 or 3 hours straight in some operas. Wagner's Ring Cycle is seven hours long." With the proper training, vocal and physical, such demanding singing CAN be done without causing any damage to the voice.
I mentioned that during the last concert, I had heard a couple of times where his voice cracked slightly, but he didn't seem to be favoring it throughout the concert or dodging the big or high notes in general. She said that was an indication that his voice was fine, but he was probably physically tired. This would lead to a lapse in concentration and strength to support the tone correctly. That's the way it sounded to me as well. So, all of us worry-warts can find a new topic. As long as Adam continues to hydrate and get enough rest, as well as to practice good vocal technique (which he always has), he will be fine.
She really does consider Adam in the ranks with the best of the best opera singers, with impeccable technique and a clear and deep knowledge of his own instrument. She doesn't think there is much he cannot sing, if he wants to, including opera. In her opinion, if he had gone that route (and he told her in a conversation with her that he HAD sung operatic arias in the past) instead of musical theater and pop/rock, by now he would be hugely famous and making TONS of money as a global opera superstar. She thinks the Queen repertoire presents the biggest challenge to him he has had since becoming a pop star. There are several songs in the set she considers to be similar to arias.
So, that's the expert's expert talking. Wonderful stuff!
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Post by adamrocks on Aug 3, 2014 13:22:00 GMT -5
Cassie thanks for letting us know that Adam is fine and knows how to maintain the heath of that beautiful VOICE! I'm sure he could have gone the opera route, too. Can you imagine...he'd be the most sexy and fierce Opera Virtuoso the world has seen!  |
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Post by mszue on Aug 6, 2014 20:13:10 GMT -5
Cassie
I am bringing this point/question...here as it really does not even particularly involve Adam. We have discussed vibrato a few times and what I just found interesting is something that just happened on America's got talent. They replayed two opera singer women singing Dolly Parton's I will always love you. The two of them both had so much vibrato that there was a constant move between clashing and harmonizing as their vibrato took their voices in and out of tune.
I also swear the only judge on that panel with ears or cajones...not sure which...is Howard Stern! Why is it that people assume if a singer warbles in operatic style, they must be magnificent! Not....:( jmho but I did not think they were great at all...
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Post by cassie on Aug 6, 2014 21:06:00 GMT -5
Oh, please. Don't make me listen. I couldn't stand more than 30 seconds of it. This is what give opera such a bad reputation. It is painful! And it is so wrong! Just because you CAN sing like this, doesn't mean you SHOULD sing every song like this. There is a time and place for everything.
The truth is, most classically trained opera singers cannot sing pop convincingly or even pleasingly, any more than most pop singers cannot begin to sing opera credibly. Country singers can't sing rock, and vice versa. Broadway singers cannot sing country or pop or opera. They just cannot adapt their technique to suit songs outside their genre of concentration or training.
UNLESS THEY ARE ADAM LAMBERT.
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Post by mszue on Aug 6, 2014 21:48:42 GMT -5
Oh, please. Don't make me listen. I couldn't stand more than 30 seconds of it. This is what give opera such a bad reputation. It is painful! And it is so wrong! Just because you CAN sing like this, doesn't mean you SHOULD sing every song like this. There is a time and place for everything. The truth is, most classically trained opera singers cannot sing pop convincingly or even pleasingly, any more than most pop singers cannot begin to sing opera credibly. Country singers can't sing rock, and vice versa. Broadway singers cannot sing country or pop or opera. They just cannot adapt their technique to suit songs outside their genre of concentration or training. UNLESS THEY ARE ADAM LAMBERT. ITA cassie...but the really annoying thing is that 3 of the 4 judges gushed all sorts of unmitigated crap about how wonderful they were....and I sat there thinking "did they hear the same thing I did?" or am I losing it....till Howard set them straight. I hate it when the TV offerings are so bad I am reduced to AGT or dishes....sigh...well my counters are now tidy lol cheers |
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Post by bridgeymah on Aug 7, 2014 5:41:26 GMT -5
Oh, please. Don't make me listen. I couldn't stand more than 30 seconds of it. This is what give opera such a bad reputation. It is painful! And it is so wrong! Just because you CAN sing like this, doesn't mean you SHOULD sing every song like this. There is a time and place for everything. The truth is, most classically trained opera singers cannot sing pop convincingly or even pleasingly, any more than most pop singers cannot begin to sing opera credibly. Country singers can't sing rock, and vice versa. Broadway singers cannot sing country or pop or opera. They just cannot adapt their technique to suit songs outside their genre of concentration or training. UNLESS THEY ARE ADAM LAMBERT. ITA cassie...but the really annoying thing is that 3 of the 4 judges gushed all sorts of unmitigated crap about how wonderful they were....and I sat there thinking "did they hear the same thing I did?" or am I losing it....till Howard set them straight. I hate it when the TV offerings are so bad I am reduced to AGT or dishes....sigh...well my counters are now tidy lol cheers Welcome to the nightmare that was the most recent series of The Voice australia - the whole season was judges gushing over basically rubbish. We also has pseudo opera... But then I've established that Adam has ruined me for listening to nearly any other singers. I end up finding them, flat, nasally, screechy and often all three within the one song. I'm so used to Adam almost never being off key live that I just expect that all singers should be that way. Unfair - sure but that's just the way it is. |
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