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Post by seoulmate on Nov 9, 2011 1:26:28 GMT -5
Just curious.... Can you guys hear the vibrato really strongly on this version???
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 1:43:20 GMT -5
hi musicislife...it pains me also to say this, but for my taste there was too much vibrato in this performance and I was really surprised because I've never had that reaction to Adam's vocals before, it seemed really different to me than the way he normally sings. I was actually very relieved to hear Cassie's opinion that the vibrato was intentional because I was worried that it was due to nerves or adrenaline. It's interesting how some people don't even notice the vibrato and for others of us it jumps right out. I know part of the reason is just that people have varied taste in musical styles, but I'm beginning to wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that we are all listening on different sound systems so it may actually sound quite different? prism... this is so fascinating! Maybe our various sound systems are affecting our ears! For all you peeps who are hearing way too much vibrato, can you be a little more specific about *where* you're hearing it most strongly in the opening lines? Are you guys hearing it mostly on the last words of each line = for, score, on, for, crime, mime, etc. ------------------------------------ Empty spaces - what are we living for? Abandoned places - I guess we know the score.. On and on! Does anybody know what we are looking for? Another hero - another mindless crime. Behind the curtain, in the pantomime. Hold the line! Does anybody want to take it anymore? ------------------------------------------ Or are you hearing it everywhere, in every word/phrase? And where/when do you think the vibrato stops? I'm still trying to figure all this out. I'm wondering if the vibrato you're hearing is my "helium effect".  :  hi seoulmate, I will make the syllables blue to indicate where I hear some vibrato and red to indicate a lot of vibrato. ------------------------------------ Empty spac es - what are we living for? Abandoned plac es - I guess we know the score.. On and on! Does anybody know what we are looking for? Another hero - another mindless crime. Behind the cur tain, in the pantomime. Hold the line! Does anybody want to take it anymore? ------------------------------------------ Does that coincide with the helium effect you hear? For me it's most noticeable in that first half of TSMGO. Not much in WWRY. I'll have to listen to WATC again. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 1:52:05 GMT -5
Just curious.... Can you guys hear the vibrato really strongly on this version??? I still hear it but not as much as on the version I recorded onto my DVR from the TR3S broadcast. I think I'm starting to get used to the vibrato now that I've listened to it so many times! BTW seoulmate I love all your wonderful gifs & humor!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 2:09:20 GMT -5
hi musicislife...it pains me also to say this, but for my taste there was too much vibrato in this performance and I was really surprised because I've never had that reaction to Adam's vocals before, it seemed really different to me than the way he normally sings. I was actually very relieved to hear Cassie's opinion that the vibrato was intentional because I was worried that it was due to nerves or adrenaline. It's interesting how some people don't even notice the vibrato and for others of us it jumps right out. I know part of the reason is just that people have varied taste in musical styles, but I'm beginning to wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that we are all listening on different sound systems so it may actually sound quite different? very interesting...after reading everyone's comments on vibrato - I listened about 10 times concentrating specifically on that aspect and I am totally convinced that it is completely controlled intentional sound that Adam is after. It allows him to "capture more space" in the arena and in a couple of places it completely mimics the guitar sound - or may be Brian's guitar mimics Adam's voice... it gives his voice "roundness" and this deep velvet texture. Why would it indicate nervelessness? The voice never breaks or trembles. To my ear it is perfect. (but as you probably know - i come from listening to classical singing only, so my point of reference is quite skewed I suppose). nica575, thanks, it actually makes me very happy to hear you say this because I want it to be good and I want it to be what Adam intended! Yes, point of reference may be a big part of it. I come from listening mainly to hard rock and metal, limited classical/opera, so I'm sure that affects my perception. I'm going to listen to it again with new ears now that I've read so many positive comments about it. |
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Post by seoulmate on Nov 9, 2011 4:57:18 GMT -5
hi seoulmate, I will make the syllables blue to indicate where I hear some vibrato and red to indicate a lot of vibrato. ------------------------------------ Empty spac es - what are we living for? Abandoned plac es - I guess we know the score.. On and on! Does anybody know what we are looking for? Another hero - another mindless crime. Behind the cur tain, in the pantomime. Hold the line! Does anybody want to take it anymore? ------------------------------------------ Does that coincide with the helium effect you hear? For me it's most noticeable in that first half of TSMGO. Not much in WWRY. I'll have to listen to WATC again. hmmmm.... yes, on some syllables it does kind of coincide, which is really interesting. Here's the thing: A couple of weeks ago I went for a hearing test and there is definitely some hearing deterioration in both my ears, so I was sort of wondering if that was affecting the quality of these EMA vids for me. : I would have to say that pretty much all the following "red words" are where I'm hearing that slightly quavering/helium effect. But, really, once he hits the chorus and FULL THROTTLE, I don't notice anything odd at all. Go figure!! Empty spaces - what are we living for? Abandoned places - I guess we know the score.. On and on!Does anybody know what we are looking for?Another hero - another mindless crime. Behind the curtain, in the panto mime. Hold the line!Does anybody want to take it anymore? |
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Post by Alison on Nov 9, 2011 10:32:00 GMT -5
This is a really interesting conversation--listening to a performance through the filter of our history (classically trained singers vs. pop/rock singers). I, too, grew up and loved Queen but sometimes cringed a little in some of the vocal parts. ITA with Seolmate that it was about the MUSIC (what Brian called music for the people). I love the Beatles too--before Adam, they were the only artists who I was compelled to own every track they ever recorded--but they were not great singers. It was the music, the performance, the creative energy, the enthusiasm, the feeling.
If a classically trained singer were to sing any of these songs, I'm sure that I would find them beautiful to my ears, but I would probably be bored. Adam has BOTH sides--he has been what I have been looking for in music for years. He can do it all--he is real--and I still can't believe it.
BTW, I heard some vibrato on the red/blue words, but I thought it was beatifully done--particularly "in the pantomime, hold the line" takes my breath away every time. I think it's my favorite phrase in the whole performance.
No words can describe how grateful I am for the gift of this voice.
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Post by musicislife on Nov 9, 2011 13:26:55 GMT -5
Yes! Yes! musicislife..... I also thought Adam was fighting a little bit of nerves as he started and recovered fantistically (based on live stream). However, when like you, I also replayed all the videos I don't hear them at all. Could just be a distortion of streaming. Whew! How could I even doubt our guy? He mastered that stage and showed no fear whatever. Did you also notice he was directing Brian May (We Are The Champions) before Brian was chasing him in that runway? Before Adam stepped into the runway he motioned Brian "C'mon" and Brian right away followed him because I think Adam knows that they are pressed for time and he wants both of them to reached that circle in 1 minute or so ;D But he did it with such finesse that nobody probably notice it. Adam is the time keeper. :D and so conscious of everything ... what a guy... Gabby, so glad you responded! Yay I'm not crazy lol! It really seemed to me that the funkiness with the vibrato at the beginning was a combo of nerves and the distorted livestream transmission. I was so relieved to watch it on tv a couple hours later, and then again last night, and find that it wasn't as bad as I thought it sounded in the stream. And yes, I loved how he was directing and egging Brian May on - he's just so natural on that stage and instinctively knows what to do - on the fly! - to make every part of the performance work, down to directing fellow performers. He amazes me. *pops out of lurkdom* Cassie, thanks for your extended comments on Adam's performance with Queen and specifically about his vibrato. I watched the livestream first and if I'm being completely honest, I thought for the first half of TSMGO he might have been fighting nerves or adrenaline. His vibrato sounded too fast and bordering on a wee bit out of control, to me. (dodges tomatoes and arrows) It wasn't like any way I'd heard him sing before. Of course, his tone was flawless but I kind of felt like there were a few very minute, fleeting moments when he was struggling with the song. Admittedly, I've never heard it before but I can tell it has a very high level of difficulty. And he was only fronting Queen in a tribute performance being broadcast to 1.2 BILLION PEOPLE, so it would've been totally normally to have a few butterflies. I would've shit my pants. I though he settled in nicely toward the last half and through the rest of the medley. In fact, the whole thing was A FUCKING AMAZING MINDBOGGLING PIECE OF VOCAL BADASSERY!! Then, it aired on TV and sounded totally different! I didn't hear the sheepi-ness in the vibrato at all. I got the full, emotional powerful drama that he was trying to infuse into it. Am I totally off the mark, or did anyone -or you- have the same inital experience? What is it about the streamed version that would have distorted the vibrato so much? Also, it's entirely possible that you are sitting here reading this thinking, wtf this idiot smoking?, and that I need to get a brain scan and hearing test stat. But I hear it on the yt vid that was uploaded from the stream that he tweeted and I've seen A LOT of people in the comments sections remarking on his vibrato, and not in a good way. I swear, it actually pains me to write a critique like this. And the only reason I'm even doing so is to see if what I'm hearing on the livestream is the product of a crap transmission. I'm ultra sensitive to vibrato, it is a make or break factor for me with a singer. I'm really hoping a great HQ audio rip from tv rip surfaces so I can hear it the way I think the audience in the arena got to hear it. OK, running away now, please don't hurt me lol :-[ What we hear is influenced by what we know, what we have experienced, what we expect, and what we project. As for the livestream, I was sitting in a living room with my parents watching the Green Bay Packer game on TV while surreptitiously trying to monitor the EMA show on a little notepad computer with headphones. Hadn't expected to even be able to do that, so I was very pleased to get anything live. Consequently, I didn't hear anything of nerves at the beginning. I saw this fierce being in shadow and heard a powerful voice ring out (singing a song I was not familiar with, so had no expectations for). I did notice the pronounced vibrato and thought it was a)done in the spirit of the high drama, and b) a slight reference to the quavering, fast vibrato Freddy sometimes had. Not an imitation, but a bow to Freddy. Mostly, I heard incredible power, passion, intensity and control. Despite, or maybe because I love Adam's voice so much, I can be a harsh critic of Adam's performances when they aren't up to the stringent standards he normally sets. This performance exceeded my expectations and wowed me. I respect if you heard something different. Cassie, as always you have such a wonderful way of explaining things. I admit to not being very familiar with Queen's materials, except for the huge songs like We Are the Champions & Bohemian Rhapsody & We Will Rock You that are iconic and everyone knows. I did not know that Freddie had the type of vibrato you described. And I would not put it past Adam to try and inject some of Freddie's style into his own performance as a tribute. I also learned via twitter yesterday that Adam couldn't hear himself through his ear monitors during the performance. Which just amazes me further and makes my head spin in confusion & awe that he can sound LIKE THAT while experiencing technical problems. I swear, he should be a required course of study for singers. |
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Post by musicislife on Nov 9, 2011 13:28:22 GMT -5
prism... this is so fascinating! Maybe our various sound systems are affecting our ears! For all you peeps who are hearing way too much vibrato, can you be a little more specific about *where* you're hearing it most strongly in the opening lines? Are you guys hearing it mostly on the last words of each line = for, score, on, for, crime, mime, etc. ------------------------------------ Empty spaces - what are we living for? Abandoned places - I guess we know the score.. On and on! Does anybody know what we are looking for? Another hero - another mindless crime. Behind the curtain, in the pantomime. Hold the line! Does anybody want to take it anymore? ------------------------------------------ Or are you hearing it everywhere, in every word/phrase? And where/when do you think the vibrato stops? I'm still trying to figure all this out. I'm wondering if the vibrato you're hearing is my "helium effect". : hi seoulmate, I will make the syllables blue to indicate where I hear some vibrato and red to indicate a lot of vibrato. ------------------------------------ Empty spac es - what are we living for? Abandoned plac es - I guess we know the score.. On and on! Does anybody know what we are looking for? Another hero - another mindless crime. Behind the cur tain, in the pantomime. Hold the line! Does anybody want to take it anymore? ------------------------------------------ Does that coincide with the helium effect you hear? For me it's most noticeable in that first half of TSMGO. Not much in WWRY. I'll have to listen to WATC again. Prism, YES! THIS! THIS! and THIS! Exactly where you have colored the words is where I hear it too. And I also notice, especially in TSMGO, that they have a lot of reverb or echo on his voice, which seems to distort the vibrato even more. I'm not really hearing any helium effect though. This is a fascinating discussion to me so thank you to all who responded. Sometimes I really hate that I can't turn off my musical training and not hear every tiny little inconsistency in a song. >:( And I'm the first to admit that, like Cassie, I am a harsh critic of every singer. I can only count maybe a handful of other times I've ever side-eyed Adam's vocals. All in all, this was a phenominal performance. |
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Post by nica575 on Nov 9, 2011 13:33:52 GMT -5
hi seoulmate, I will make the syllables blue to indicate where I hear some vibrato and red to indicate a lot of vibrato. ------------------------------------ Empty spac es - what are we living for? Abandoned plac es - I guess we know the score.. On and on! Does anybody know what we are looking for? Another hero - another mindless crime. Behind the cur tain, in the pantomime. Hold the line! Does anybody want to take it anymore? ------------------------------------------ Does that coincide with the helium effect you hear? For me it's most noticeable in that first half of TSMGO. Not much in WWRY. I'll have to listen to WATC again. hmmmm.... yes, on some syllables it does kind of coincide, which is really interesting. Here's the thing: A couple of weeks ago I went for a hearing test and there is definitely some hearing deterioration in both my ears, so I was sort of wondering if that was affecting the quality of these EMA vids for me. : I would have to say that pretty much all the following "red words" are where I'm hearing that slightly quavering/helium effect. But, really, once he hits the chorus and FULL THROTTLE, I don't notice anything odd at all. Go figure!! Empty spaces - what are we living for? Abandoned places - I guess we know the score.. On and on!Does anybody know what we are looking for?Another hero - another mindless crime. Behind the curtain, in the panto mime. Hold the line!Does anybody want to take it anymore? WOW! I hear a slight vibrato in more places than both of you combined!!!! I LOVE IT! Again - to me it serves as an expression of deep feeling as well as the technique that helps in flooding the space with "waves" of sound. I hear no "helium" effect what so ever! And further to support my point that it is all completely controlled - no perceptible vibrato in We Will Rock You - all straight, strong, steady, clear voice - but back to vibrato in We Are The Champions. as usually - the sounds of Adam's voice (vibrato or no vibrato) hit my pleasure centers, so I am in heaven with this 8 mins treasure! and to add to the bliss - it is wonderful to have all of you to share in dissecting every sound and word and phrase and look! P.S. I was listening to this version: very clear sound - try it! |
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Post by gelly14 on Nov 10, 2011 16:54:54 GMT -5
Thank you cassie. I constantly vacillate between whose voice I like the most. I think in large part my affection (and often preference) for Freddie is layered with equal parts nostalgia, grief, and the power of having a long and storied history with his voice- his was the soundtrack of my life. It's sometimes hard to leave that behind me and embrace a new voice with the same depth of feeling as the sheer pathos involved in my listening to a Queen track is at times completely overwhelming. Fortunately I do not have to choose- I can adore them both equally. To read objective interpretations of what I am hearing is most useful in helping me understand what qualities I am responding to and why I feel as I do. You are a treasure! You are me. I swear. |
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