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Post by durberville on Apr 5, 2015 22:13:25 GMT -5
Isaac may seem like the best fit personality wise, but IMO Longineu was the best, most versatile drummer Adam has had. With his talent/background I would love to hear him and Adam doing the blues/funk/reggae, rock, whatever... THIS. I really like Isaac too and he was a very good drummer, no question. But during Era 3 tour, if Adam needs to take a 10 minute break on stage, I would gladly listen to a 5 minute drum solo from LP (there are some samples on youtube). I am not convinced that Isaac could carry 5 minutes and make it interesting all by himself. As a support for the band he was fine, as was obviously Rufus Taylor, but I think that Longineu is at a different level, and is also interested in pushing his career. As for videos and stuff. If Adam does not like videos to go out to fans, it takes on word and it would stop. He did not hinder his background singers to constantly post stuff online. Just on the presumption, that maybe theoretically, potentially, Adam could have something against a certain video, and maybe that Adam is so shy, that he cannot speak up for himself, and therefore needs fan's assistance to protect him from such videos.... ....yeah right. Bottom-line, Adam will know how to work that out, I think we can stop worrying. LP would be great. I doubt that was ever any issue
oh I don't think Adam had any issues with Longineau.....and I'm not "worrying" (let's not be patronizing). I just don't like the dude. also, as far as enjoying LP's drumming goes- I always found his solos half-hearted (weird, cuz the guy is mega talented) - you know when Adam would introduce the band and let each of them do a little solo thing? Longineau's were yawn inducing to me, like he couldn't be bothered. That bugged me. anyhoo....it will all play out however Adam wishes, and I'll be cheering for whoever he chooses.
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Post by adamrocks on Apr 5, 2015 22:15:02 GMT -5
So sleepy...calling it a day. Nite!
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Post by libralamb7pf on Apr 5, 2015 22:20:48 GMT -5
Keep Roger ahead, it is practically tied. Roger has slipped behind again, guys. Peart's peeps must be awake & voting. Let's get the lead back for Roger! Thanks for keeping the link posted...it helps!
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Post by Holst on Apr 5, 2015 22:27:49 GMT -5
I don't think in this case there is a difference. To me, she seems to be stating that the record will become available to buy at the same time world wide. Depending where you are in the world it will be at a different time and maybe on a different day. Think your Time Zone. No, she has stated before it will be available for everyone to hear on the same date but sales release dates are determined by territory and the UK procedure is for the song to go to radio first and be released for sale about 6 weeks later. This has been the case before and not just for Adam. Every country has its own standard methods although I think most probably release for sale when the song is available to be heard but the UK is definitely different. As for radio they can play it whenever its available to be heard but they generally play what the label sends them but the important date for radio is the impact date which is the date the label would like as many stations as possible to add it. They can play it earlier if they want. In actuality radio can play whatever they want its just in reality if they are going to add a song they usually stick close to the label's game plan. Now I'm even more confused. So what do "drop" and "release" mean?
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Post by rihannsu on Apr 5, 2015 22:55:44 GMT -5
No, she has stated before it will be available for everyone to hear on the same date but sales release dates are determined by territory and the UK procedure is for the song to go to radio first and be released for sale about 6 weeks later. This has been the case before and not just for Adam. Every country has its own standard methods although I think most probably release for sale when the song is available to be heard but the UK is definitely different. As for radio they can play it whenever its available to be heard but they generally play what the label sends them but the important date for radio is the impact date which is the date the label would like as many stations as possible to add it. They can play it earlier if they want. In actuality radio can play whatever they want its just in reality if they are going to add a song they usually stick close to the label's game plan. Now I'm even more confused. So what do "drop" and "release" mean? Drop just means to make it available, but doesn't specify how it's available. Release usually means release for sale, it isn't usually a term referring to radio. Radio has the date it is "serviced" to radio and the "impact" date. The radio dates usually aren't something the general public is aware of at all. Shoshanna has been answering these types of questions for a while. She stated a while back that Adam would be the one to drop the single and that everyone would be able to hear it at that time but that on sale dates or radio dates would differ based on individual territory practices. She has also stated several times both to Adam fans and other artists fans that the UK works differently from the US in that they will push to radio for several weeks before releasing for sale. None of this is any different from his previous releases. Trespassing singles and album all went on sale in UK later than in the US. I believe the album went on sale the week of the London QAL shows in 2012 because I remember US people who were in the UK for the concerts buying the album while there to help chart position.
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Post by Holst on Apr 5, 2015 23:06:30 GMT -5
Now I'm even more confused. So what do "drop" and "release" mean? Drop just means to make it available, but doesn't specify how it's available. Release usually means release for sale, it isn't usually a term referring to radio. Radio has the date it is "serviced" to radio and the "impact" date. The radio dates usually aren't something the general public is aware of at all. Shoshanna has been answering these types of questions for a while. She stated a while back that Adam would be the one to drop the single and that everyone would be able to hear it at that time but that on sale dates or radio dates would differ based on individual territory practices. She has also stated several times both to Adam fans and other artists fans that the UK works differently from the US in that they will push to radio for several weeks before releasing for sale. None of this is any different from his previous releases. Trespassing singles and album all went on sale in UK later than in the US. I believe the album went on sale the week of the London QAL shows in 2012 because I remember US people who were in the UK for the concerts buying the album while there to help chart position. Thanks. Always learning (or relearning). :
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Post by Craazyforadam on Apr 5, 2015 23:14:03 GMT -5
Drop date versus release date, etc.
Rihannsu pretty much said most, but here is an example:
Dropdate comes first: It is the grand unveiling. In today's digital world, everybody can hear the song on that date (and illegal copying starts there too). This is the date you hope to reach without the track leaking first.
What happens after that depends on the country, and for each country there is at minimum a radio strategy and a sales plan.
Example: Country 1:
An impact date is set by the label. Radio can add anytime after drop date, and typically it starts with a few test stations. The impact date is the date, where the label would like to see the largest number of adds for that week. So, i.e. if adds were forming a typical bell shaped curve, the label is hoping for the steepest incline to be impact date. The steepest incline in a bell shaped curve is that stretch before the curve starts leveling off towards the peak (or mean). That is, there will be still many more adds after the impact date, but the number of adds begins to slow down. Obviously, real life is not always following bell curves, but it gives an idea.
In my example, I assume country 1 is such, that online sales begin right away. This minimizes the number of people who get the song illegally, but it has the downside that many listeners may not yet be familiar with the tune and will only buy it in later weeks, when they get introduced to the track. Sales over many weeks matter, as the song builds on radio, it can climb to higher chart positions on sales charts in later weeks. Promotional plans need to stay more flexible. One benefit is that a successful artist can be kept high in the charts by rolling out single after single.
Example: Country 2:
Radio play comes first. Sales only start after the song has been sufficiently introduced by radio. A so called release date for sales is set and announced. The label wants radio to build the song towards that date. Promotion outside of radio play is targeted towards the release date. The first week sales chart after the release date is what matters most for sales. The release date is key to everything.
Example: Country 3: (smaller country, typically)
Fairly free in its radio add strategy, but tends to follow the lead of one or two larger countries with a few weeks delay. Sales strategy is planned together with that larger country.
These are just examples. Obviously, the US follows most closely my country 1 example, whereas the UK tends to be more like country 2.
It is to be noted that Shoshanna has been quite clear that the UK release date will lag behind radio play, as is typical for the UK, and therefore the track will not be for sale in the UK until a later date.
We have not heard from her when the single will go for sale in the US. Will it be right away, or will it be a bit later? We do not know that one yet. I am assuming and hoping that it will drop and be for sale in the US right away, but it is my understanding that this does not have to be.
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So, please let me know, if you see any things wrong with these examples, because they are based on my understanding of these terms and their usage in the various countries. It is kind of a science to work this out for all the different markets, and the artist's promo schedule, and to still have a world-wide strategy.
Also, when you look beyond single and towards album, the element of physical sales and store roll-out adds a whole other dimension, that right now with single is not yet an issue, so I left it out for now. So, if there are any physical releases planned for any countries at all for a single, I have ignored that topic (Japan, Germany?)
Anything else?
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Post by durberville on Apr 5, 2015 23:19:04 GMT -5
Bottom-line, what I am hearing is that Sherlock Holmes is convinced, LP is out to get Adam....ok then....
huh? Not one person insinuated this.
over and out!
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