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Post by kathleenpf on Apr 29, 2011 8:26:53 GMT -5
I'm with you on this one. I think when Adam gets a chance to think about it, he will probably apologize. Believe it or not, our wonderful Adam makes mistakes sometimes. I think that interview was one. Adam wasn't the only former idol talking about this year's cast. Several of them came out with their thoughts on the top ten. I think former idols should watch what they say about the current crew because it causes a backlash. Sometimes I wonder if Adam understands his power yet. Apologize for what?? Sorry but Adam did NOT say anything out of line or even derogatory toward James. I mean seriously WTH is going on when Adam can't say almost exactly what Michael Slezak and others have been saying FOR WEEKS without people getting their panties in a twist? I don't believe for one second that the former idols should measure their words regarding the current contestants, if anything they are MORE qualified than most to offer up an opinion because they've been there and done that. That's like saying that someone who is promoted shouldn't tell the person who took their old position how they can improve their performance. Adam didn't say James sucked, in fact he said he is talented and passionate about what he does. He also said he was note perfect (which is rarely the case). Adam shouldn't have to kiss some up and comers ass simply to avoid pissing off a few idoltards IMO. If he sheds some of the idol fandom in the process I say mores the better [/rant] Completely agree with this, wonderstruck. Adam's comments about James were not mean, snarky or insulting. He complemented his passion and talent first and then gave some criticism. Now he should apologize? Should Michael Johns apologize to Adam for saying he likes James's voice better? Sorry, I'm a kind person but I think this is PC bullshit. I don't think anyone should have to apologize for an opinion that was given without insult. |
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Post by PastaBaby on Apr 29, 2011 8:30:01 GMT -5
my company fr germany is gone. so great to have adam friends around the world. this was an unusual friendship. i'm finishing up a write-up and will post.
in the meantime, i'd like to enter my prediction for adam's 2 million followers:
January 27th, 2012, at 10pm.
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Post by Jojo on Apr 29, 2011 8:39:10 GMT -5
I don't think Adam's comments about about the contestants were harsh. In each case he mentioned something very positive about the singer, and then something that they could improve upon. That is the mark of someone who is thoughtful and could be a great teacher/mentor (as we have already seen). He can spot the good and pinpoint areas for improvement. As a music and theater student himself, this is a very natural way to talk about performances and skills. Someone who has studied music (I'll use music since that's what I teach) would be the receiver of this type of coaching on a regular basis. I guess if someone has only been praised or never be coached, they might feel bad about what he said. Also, when giving comments like Adam's, a person has to be polite and not cruel (which he wasn't). It should never include insults or ridicule. There are plenty of mentors who rely on belittling people to try to get more out of them (some music teachers and old guard sport coaches are good examples.). I can never agree with that because that can scar a person. I feel sure that Adam's training included included plenty of criticism along with the praise. That is what helps build a healthy sense of worth and confidence. When a young kid has as good skills as Adam probably did, it is especially important to have a private teacher that can keep a good balance between praise and critique. Too much praise with highly talented kids risks creating a monster (in my opinion) who thinks they are beyond error or, the reverse, a child who feels that they cannot possibly live up to the standard of perfection created for them. My opinion. :D I think this was so well said. I agree with what you said. As I've been now watching the season 8, I was also right away thinking how Adam got lots of praises, but also critique. I think he received both very well. I think he is a good example of someone who listens humbly to both and learns. Also based on what I've seen I agree Adam knows when to give critique and how to say it. Your last comment about good coaching is something I personally feel very strongly about. I've been one of those gifted children, but not in music in another field. So I agree with personal experience that too much praise is very damaging. I became one of those that felt too much pressure to live up to the expectations of perfection and grumbled badly. The only thing about the article, that I didn't like was how the reporter phrased some of the things. I think for some that might make Adam sound more critical especially if you feel strongly about Durbin and can't be objective. |
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Post by melliemom on Apr 29, 2011 8:39:45 GMT -5
Never thought I'd see the day that we are now protecting poor James Durbin's feelings because Adam spoke the truth...Why? Why are we wasting time on a guy that most of us agree does not measure up much to the Adam Singing/Performing criteria, and that most of us don't give a rat's ass whether James win or not. You're so right.. are we running out of topics??? |
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Post by lm2718 on Apr 29, 2011 8:40:47 GMT -5
Happy Birthday Aspen!
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Post by lynne on Apr 29, 2011 8:40:54 GMT -5
skylarI totally get what you're saying. And I was not trying at any point to defend Adam against your words. I know all of your concern comes from a good place. My skin isnt thick either. But their skin has to be thick. Otherwise they simply wont make it in the music industry. Adam is the living proof of this.  Thanks gelly  My guess is that if you could have heard the tone of the interview, and Adam speaking the words, his remarks would have sounded much kinder. He made sure to make a statement about Durbin's talent and passion before giving constructive criticism. The interviewer also could have asked Adam directly what constructive criticism he would give those particular idols. Interviewers can piece the story together to make it fit their agenda when taken out of context. This journalist led into the story in a way designed to basically capitalize on fan wars. In a magazine I read recently, maybe Esquire, Christian Bale did an interview with a reporter in which Bale stipulated the question answer format was all he would allow in order to try to control for that kind of thing. The interviewer mentioned it up front and wasn't that happy with the restrictions but had to make do. I like reading interviews in that format because they are the most objective. One actor my husband works with is known for never doing interviews at all so that nothing he says can be taken out of context. In any case, growing up in musical theater, and auditioning for so many parts and roles has probably made Adam more matter of fact about giving and receiving criticism. I'm sure it is all a regular facet of his life. People in the entertainment industry do need to develop thick skins. They need to learn to listen to criticism, process it as objectively as possible, learn from it where they can, and let it roll off of their backs at the end of their own evaluative process. If they can't do this, they will be eaten up. Sorry to go on, but with two sons trying to pursue careers in music and film, this is close to my heart. Ironically, the one studying film at NYU posted this as his facebook status this morning, lol. “Unless a reviewer has the courage to give you unqualified praise, I say ignore the bastard.” - John Steinbeck |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 8:44:52 GMT -5
well, you say tomAto ("PC bullshit"), I'd say toMAHto (another opinion). I don't think Adam has a thing to apologize for either, but I liked reading the other opinions.
Speaking of other opinions, I actually found I didn't like Adam's ASCAP award speech THAT much. I thought his was a little . . . stilted (?) and that Ke$ha was . . . not.
And I think Adam knows his strengths and weaknesses and that he's actually right about not being ready already for a big movie or TV part yet. But I think he'd be perfect in some cameo role as a villian with a good heart who a super-hero has to turn to (in one of these comicbook-based action movies) in order to get some dirty work done in the name of a good cause.
I really enjoyed what seemed like Adam and Ke$ha's rapport in that clip - I'm sure part of what he likes about her is how NOT seriously she takes it all (her Disney princess vid and "Blow" mv are both completely OTT self-parodying).
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Post by spring2009 on Apr 29, 2011 8:47:45 GMT -5
Happy Birthday Aspen!!!
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Post by lynne on Apr 29, 2011 8:51:45 GMT -5
Happy Birthday Aspen!
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Post by whatfun on Apr 29, 2011 8:53:11 GMT -5
well, you say tomAto ("PC bullshit"), I'd say toMAHto (another opinion). I don't think Adam has a thing to apologize for either, but I liked reading the other opinions. Speaking of other opinions, I actually found I didn't like Adam's ASCAP award speech as much as I liked Ke@ha's. Liked them both, but I thought his was a little . . . stilted (?) and hers was . . . not. And I think Adam knows his strengths and weaknesses and that he's actually right about not being ready already for a big movie or TV part yet. But I think he'd be perfect in some cameo role as a villian with a good heart who a super-hero has to turn to (in one of these comicbook-based action movies) in order to get some dirty work done in the name of a good cause. I really enjoyed what seemed like Adam and Ke$ha's rapport in that clip - I'm sure part of what he likes about her is how NOT seriously she takes it all (her Disney princess vid and "Blow" mv are both completely OTT self-parodying). Well, not to immediately leap to Adam's defense (altho I totally am LOL), but there's a big difference between the two. I believe Kesha actually worked very closely with Dr Luke while creating her debut album and he was instrumental in helping her develop her sound while becoming a legit friend to her. She was able to speak from the heart, from a personal perspective. On the other hand, Adam spent one day in NYC with Max Martin, a day that he's talked about in interviews being so exhausted from performing on the Idol tour and all the traveling that he was actually a bit worried about hitting all the notes he needed to be able to nail with Max in the studio that day. Remember that picture from Rolling Stone with Adam sleeping on the floor of the van? IIRC it was from that time period. So Adam's speech was from a more professional perspective. Did you see how initially he offered his hand to Max to shake? LOL he srsly doesn't even know him well enough to go in for the hug off the bat, although Max gave him a hug anyway. |
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