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Post by rihannsu on May 24, 2015 12:55:40 GMT -5
Kworb doesn't do the bullet differently. There are two different figures. The bullet which is the difference in last weeks spin total and this weeks spin total. On the Mediabase chart header this is the Move. Then on Kworb's chart and these summaries that get posted there is the bullet+ which is the change in the bullet from yesterday to today.
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29 30 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 901 765 136 3.666
+7 spins
-34 bullet
-0.021 AI
136 is the bullet or move (difference between this week (901) and last week (765) spins
-34 is what Kworb calls the bullet+ (difference between today's bullet and yesterday's)
If you look at Kworb's site you will see in the header there is the bullet and bullet+, all Kworb is doing is taking the daily rolling charts and also providing day to day change figure. He is not defining anything differently from Pulse or mediabase.
ETA: I don't get what you mean by Kworb's bullets not matching Pulse because they do. Where do you see them not matching?
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Post by Jablea on May 24, 2015 14:58:21 GMT -5
Kworb doesn't do the bullet differently. There are two different figures. The bullet which is the difference in last weeks spin total and this weeks spin total. On the Mediabase chart header this is the Move. Then on Kworb's chart and these summaries that get posted there is the bullet+ which is the change in the bullet from yesterday to today. Example: HAC 29 30 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 901 765 136 3.666 +7 spins -34 bullet -0.021 AI 136 is the bullet or move (difference between this week (901) and last week (765) spins -34 is what Kworb calls the bullet+ (difference between today's bullet and yesterday's) If you look at Kworb's site you will see in the header there is the bullet and bullet+, all Kworb is doing is taking the daily rolling charts and also providing day to day change figure. He is not defining anything differently from Pulse or mediabase. ETA: I don't get what you mean by Kworb's bullets not matching Pulse because they do. Where do you see them not matching? So there is a wording difference in that Pulse "Bullet" <> Kworb "Bullet" but Pulse "Bullet" = Kworb "Bullet+" Pos Pos+ Artist ▴ Title Spins Spins+ Bullet Bullet+ Aud Aud+ Days iTunes Pk PkSp PkBl PkAu
30 = ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 901 +7 136 -34 3.666 -0.021 28 176 29 901 305 3.750 |
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Post by rama on May 24, 2015 15:32:19 GMT -5
Thanks for explanations! This is complicated!
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Post by rihannsu on May 24, 2015 15:51:40 GMT -5
Kworb doesn't do the bullet differently. There are two different figures. The bullet which is the difference in last weeks spin total and this weeks spin total. On the Mediabase chart header this is the Move. Then on Kworb's chart and these summaries that get posted there is the bullet+ which is the change in the bullet from yesterday to today. Example: HAC 29 30 ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 901 765 136 3.666 +7 spins -34 bullet -0.021 AI 136 is the bullet or move (difference between this week (901) and last week (765) spins -34 is what Kworb calls the bullet+ (difference between today's bullet and yesterday's) If you look at Kworb's site you will see in the header there is the bullet and bullet+, all Kworb is doing is taking the daily rolling charts and also providing day to day change figure. He is not defining anything differently from Pulse or mediabase. ETA: I don't get what you mean by Kworb's bullets not matching Pulse because they do. Where do you see them not matching? So there is a wording difference in that Pulse "Bullet" <> Kworb "Bullet" but Pulse "Bullet" = Kworb "Bullet+" Pos Pos+ Artist ▴ Title Spins Spins+ Bullet Bullet+ Aud Aud+ Days iTunes Pk PkSp PkBl PkAu
30 = ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 901 +7 136 -34 3.666 -0.021 28 176 29 901 305 3.750Well you could say that about spins as well but no one ever seems confused about the spins numbers. One is weekly and one is daily. I see +34 bullet as a phrase whereas on Kworb's site bullet+ is a column header with just the +/-number in the actual column. It is a little confusing which is why you will see it being explained to newbies all the time but it's really just because people are short cutting and not writing out spin increase/decrease or bullet increase/decrease. Bullet is the industry term and the bullet+ thing is just really something you see on fan sites as simply an extra data point. None of the industry sites ever show that. There's no such thing as a daily bullet on mediabase. The whole bullet+ and spin+ thing just seems to have sprung out of fans wanting to play with stats and keep track of the daily progress but the industry looks mainly at the weekly progress. Oh and I forgot to mention that Pulse summary also just leaves out the headers for the first line which would be lw TW Artist Title TW lw Move Aud Move = Bullet and that is actually because the bullet was the term for the symbol that was placed next to a song that had an increase in spins. Remember the phrase "number 1 with a bullet". Technically the bullet is the symbol indicating a rising song but it also came to refer to the number quantifying the increase. If you get real technical there would be no such thing as a negative bullet because the symbol itself was only the up triangle indicating increase. Amusingly I have actually runs across detailed arguments about exactly this technicality on Pulse. |
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Post by Jablea on May 24, 2015 16:57:49 GMT -5
Spins are much more self explanatory and it would all be much easier if Kworb marked his Bullet column as "move" instead then at least we'd be using the same vocabulary across the sites.
But which spin count is weekly? (note, I think of weekly as being the sum of 7 days) and your terminology from prior posts also refers to weekly spin totals (and the term "to total" also means adding things up)
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Post by rihannsu on May 24, 2015 18:37:19 GMT -5
Spins are much more self explanatory and it would all be much easier if Kworb marked his Bullet column as "move" instead then at least we'd be using the same vocabulary across the sites. But which spin count is weekly? (note, I think of weekly as being the sum of 7 days) and your terminology from prior posts also refers to weekly spin totals (and the term "to total" also means adding things up) First of all the term bullet that Kworb uses is how everybody talks about it. It didn't start with Kworb or his site. While All Access and Mediabase may label the column header as move I have actually never heard anyone use that term when talking about the increase in spins. Pretty much everyone refers to it as the bullet. The spin count listed on the charts is a weekly spin count. The daily charts from AA are a rolling 7-day period chart so the spin number is a the total of spins for a week. The difference between the rolling chart and the Published chart is that the published chart comes out once a week and covers spins from midnight Saturday to midnight the following Saturday. The rolling chart covers spins from midnight 7 days prior to the midnight immediately preceding the report. The spin count covers a weekly period but the specific days roll. Each days spins are a total of all the spins from all the reporting stations and the weekly total is the total of all spins for a week. Maybe saying weekly total is redundant I just didn't think that hard about it. This terminology has existed for a long time before I came along and while some of it may not make sense it is the way it is and it's unlikely to change. I learned all this stuff on Pulse following WWFM's trajectory and like I said it gets explained on a regular basis to new posters and it gets argued about and when someone complains that it doesn't make sense the collective response is "so what, live with it". |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 19:44:11 GMT -5
Wonder if we won't get a Sunday published due to the holiday weekend? SUNDAY PUBLISHED! No changes in CHR, nothing above GT got purged or went recurrent  Top 40 40 38 Up this week ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 1417 1267 150 6.38 HAC 29 29 Up this week ADAM LAMBERT Ghost Town 902 765 137 3.666 Picked up his #29 from last Sunday before Sheeran, Swift, and M5 intruded. GT should pick up 3 spots on HAC fairly quickly this week! |
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Post by stardust on May 24, 2015 22:19:14 GMT -5
New Thread is UP!!
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Post by Jablea on May 25, 2015 0:52:52 GMT -5
One Direction's Night Changes went recurrent in HAC?
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Post by Jablea on May 25, 2015 1:06:16 GMT -5
Spins are much more self explanatory and it would all be much easier if Kworb marked his Bullet column as "move" instead then at least we'd be using the same vocabulary across the sites. But which spin count is weekly? (note, I think of weekly as being the sum of 7 days) and your terminology from prior posts also refers to weekly spin totals (and the term "to total" also means adding things up) First of all the term bullet that Kworb uses is how everybody talks about it. It didn't start with Kworb or his site. While All Access and Mediabase may label the column header as move I have actually never heard anyone use that term when talking about the increase in spins. Pretty much everyone refers to it as the bullet. The spin count listed on the charts is a weekly spin count. The daily charts from AA are a rolling 7-day period chart so the spin number is a the total of spins for a week. The difference between the rolling chart and the Published chart is that the published chart comes out once a week and covers spins from midnight Saturday to midnight the following Saturday. The rolling chart covers spins from midnight 7 days prior to the midnight immediately preceding the report. The spin count covers a weekly period but the specific days roll. Each days spins are a total of all the spins from all the reporting stations and the weekly total is the total of all spins for a week. Maybe saying weekly total is redundant I just didn't think that hard about it. This terminology has existed for a long time before I came along and while some of it may not make sense it is the way it is and it's unlikely to change. I learned all this stuff on Pulse following WWFM's trajectory and like I said it gets explained on a regular basis to new posters and it gets argued about and when someone complains that it doesn't make sense the collective response is "so what, live with it". Nope, your terminology is correct. I wonder if I knew back in the WWFM days when we had access to the actual Mediabase pages that the 7 day chart was a 7 day cumulative accounting of the spins. Obviously, if I did, I had forgotten. Now that you've gotten me up to speed I must say the numbers are not nearly as much fun, sigh. Here I was thinking he was getting spun 1400 times a day when it's really only 200 times a day. I guess I never did the math and compare the spins with the number of stations. I remember the Mediabase page showed the number of stations playing in and the average number of spins per playing station. I miss those days. I've updated my google sheet with new rows so that I can still kind of track days while I adjust my head around the the 7day and what I thought I knew. We did get a spin count change this time on the HAC between the regular rolling report and the published, it added an additional spin. |
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