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Post by LindaG23 on May 7, 2016 16:09:00 GMT -5
This horse shit again.
I am truly sorry when people are limited to one show, but it is possible that these ladies were dirt poor when they were younger and couldn't do any of the stuff they wanted to do. What they had they gave to husbands and children. Now finally, after working hard their whole lives, they are old and have some disposable income and can indulge their fantasies, and yet they are looked down on and asked to give it to a young person who is poor just like they were once. Asked again to limit their joy and accept less than what they have earned. That's kind of a cruel perspective and it has nothing to do with priveledge.
I only went to one show and I did not ask or expect anyone to give up their front row position for me. But I'm old so I probably won't get a pat on the head.
There is a certain irony that when the same people show up on the front row in photos, the same people complain about it. Maybe there is a lesson here for everyone in self-editting.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 16:10:40 GMT -5
There aren't any 'front row' tickets in general admission. GA tickets are one price for everyone. I just put myself in the shoes of a young fan in a foreign country: still in school, no salary to pay for tickets to multiple shows, especially not for flights to other countries. Here is the first time in YEARS one of my favorite artists has set foot in my country. ...And then some grown women with enough money fly in from another country & take maybe my only chance to have the experience that those women are having at multiple shows. It just sucks for those people with only enough money for one show in countries Adam rarely visits.  Sure, those women have the right to the front row. And I'm sure they're nice people. But nice people don't always make the most sympathetic decision (to the locals or to Adam). Yes, but that's not the way the tickets were priced for this tour (or most anyone else's tours.) VIP was a ticket price. VIP held special privileges. If people have a problem with VIP pricing, they need to take it up with the artist, not with the people who can afford to buy it. Sorry, but that is reality. And remember, Adam gets all that extra $$$$$$ of the VIP ticket that is above the pricing of the regular ticket. I think for the special seating and front row, it was about $300 a ticket. ETA: Books was posting at the same time and I missed this It's not the ticket company's, or management's, etc. issue. It's just empathy among fans.It is the management and the ticket companies that cause the VIP "problem." It is all about pricing and making more money. So, those VIP women are assigned the front row in GA (not seated venues)? They are not allowed to take a step back? If they let a local in front of them, a staff person at the venue would tell the VIP person to return to the front? Is their VIP status is preventing them from making the decision to let a local fan experience the same front row that VIP person has already experienced at other shows? I guess I agree to disagree with you. To me, it's boils downs to the fan's decision. You can hold a VIP ticket in general admission & still stand a row or two back if you want. |
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Post by oracle on May 7, 2016 16:14:19 GMT -5
There seems to be two sides to this debate, neither of which I fully understand the logic behind:
-from adam's camp, if he didn't want to see the same faces at the front, then either do away with vip or have a vip section to the side. Leave the front row open to first-comers. Or limit people to one vip/m&g per tour. He is being a bit hypocritical here as the problem could be solved but it would affect his pocketbook
- maybe it's me, but I don't understand why anyone would want to "meet" adam (after the first time, is it really meeting? Can't you only say "pleased to meet you" once?) more than once. If the repeat offenders didn't buy the vip tickets,they would either go to locals or not be purchased at all. Either option would result in locals at the front
So, I guess I feel that both sides are perpetuating the issue
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Post by AnnAdoresAdam on May 7, 2016 16:17:08 GMT -5
There aren't any 'front row' tickets in general admission. GA tickets are one price for everyone. I just put myself in the shoes of a young fan in a foreign country: still in school, no salary to pay for tickets to multiple shows, especially not for flights to other countries. Here is the first time in YEARS one of my favorite artists has set foot in my country. ...And then some grown women with enough money fly in from another country & take maybe my only chance to have the experience that those women are having at multiple shows. It just sucks for those people with only enough money for one show in countries Adam rarely visits. Sure, those women have the right to the front row. And I'm sure they're nice people. But nice people don't always make the most sympathetic decision (to the locals or to Adam). Yes, but that's not the way the tickets were priced for this tour (or most anyone else's tours.) VIP was a ticket price. VIP held special privileges. If people have a problem with VIP pricing, they need to take it up with the artist, not with the people who can afford to buy it. Sorry, but that is reality. And remember, Adam gets all that extra $$$$$$ of the VIP ticket that is above the pricing of the regular ticket. I think for the special seating and front row, it was about $300 a ticket. ETA: Books was posting at the same time and I missed this It's not the ticket company's, or management's, etc. issue. It's just empathy among fans.It is the management and the ticket companies that cause the VIP "problem." It is all about pricing and making more money. I was talking to a young guy at the London show who echoed what you say, Patti. He said that the ViP packages could harm Adam's career and that some of his friends had sold their tickets in disgust when the VIP packages went on sale. He said that he had £100 a week to live on and so the early admission would be a week's money for him and hence was out of the question. His point was that the chance of being at the front had been taken away from fans without the means to pay extra and that was unfair. I didn't think of this at the time but maybe that would partly explain the rough treatment meted out to the VIPs in Warsaw (predominantly Brits) by local fans. |
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Post by cheriemelissa on May 7, 2016 16:19:27 GMT -5
I was quite surprised when Adam called these ladies out. I get the constant camera phone in his face but those are his devoted fans and I hope he is grateful. If I had the time and money I'd be at every show I could get to. I really felt bad for them. I'm sure they were embarrassed and if not, good for them.
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Post by melliemom on May 7, 2016 16:21:13 GMT -5
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Post by kat111 on May 7, 2016 16:22:18 GMT -5
This horse shit again. I am truly sorry when people are limited to one show, but it is possible that these ladies were dirt poor when they were younger and couldn't do any of the stuff they wanted to do. What they had they gave to husbands and children. Now finally, after working hard their whole lives, they are old and have some disposable income and can indulge their fantasies, and yet they are looked down on and asked to give it to a young person who is poor just like they were once. Asked again to limit their joy and accept less than what they have earned. That's kind of a cruel perspective and it has nothing to do with priveledge. I only went to one show and I did not ask or expect anyone to give up their front row position for me. But I'm old so I probably won't get a pat on the head. There is a certain irony that when the same people show up on the front row in photos, the same people complain about it. Maybe there is a lesson here for everyone in self-editting. If I as a fan want to see my favorite artist I will pay top buck and get a VIP ticket. I earned the money to pay for it therefore I will enjoy the perks that go with it. I worked a second job for a few months to pay for my QAL VIP ticket and damn it I enjoyed front row!!!!! if anyone wants the first few rows then you are expected to pay top buck. It's like that with every concert. You have months between purchasing the ticket to seeing the artist so put it on your credit card and put money aside to pay for it or work a second job for a little while. I put money on my kids for years and sacrificed without a moan because I was willing to do it. Now it's my time for fiverlous purchases which is why I don't hesitate to go VIP if I really want to see an excellent show. Win Win for Adam so whatever. Want first row - pay the dough. Lol |
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Post by cheriemelissa on May 7, 2016 16:25:30 GMT -5
I also feel the same way about the VIP tickets. I bought a VIP ticket in Milwaukee but it wasn't the most expensive ticket so I didn't get a meet and greet. I wish they weren't so expensive so more people could meet him. I've followed him since Idol and have never met him! Hopefully one day! Being really close to the stage was great and I was happy for that!
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Post by bamafan on May 7, 2016 16:28:12 GMT -5
Yes, but that's not the way the tickets were priced for this tour (or most anyone else's tours.) VIP was a ticket price. VIP held special privileges. If people have a problem with VIP pricing, they need to take it up with the artist, not with the people who can afford to buy it. Sorry, but that is reality. And remember, Adam gets all that extra $$$$$$ of the VIP ticket that is above the pricing of the regular ticket. I think for the special seating and front row, it was about $300 a ticket. ETA: Books was posting at the same time and I missed this It's not the ticket company's, or management's, etc. issue. It's just empathy among fans.It is the management and the ticket companies that cause the VIP "problem." It is all about pricing and making more money. So, those VIP women are assigned the front row in GA (not seated venues)? They are not allowed to take a step back? If they let a local in front of them, a staff person at the venue would tell the VIP person to return to the front? Is their VIP status is preventing them from making the decision to let a local fan experience the same front row that VIP person has already experienced at other shows? I guess I agree to disagree with you. To me, it's boils downs to the fan's decision. You can hold a VIP ticket in general admission & still stand a row or two back if you want. I 100% agree with Pattihum as well as LindaG ! " You can hold a VIP ticket in general admission & still stand a row or two back if you want." That's right...it's up to you, the one who bought the ticket and has the right to be there.......and not up to others to tell you what you should or should not do. |
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2016 16:33:33 GMT -5
So, those VIP women are assigned the front row in GA (not seated venues)? They are not allowed to take a step back? If they let a local in front of them, a staff person at the venue would tell the VIP person to return to the front? Is their VIP status is preventing them from making the decision to let a local fan experience the same front row that VIP person has already experienced at other shows? I guess I agree to disagree with you. To me, it's boils downs to the fan's decision. You can hold a VIP ticket in general admission & still stand a row or two back if you want. I 100% agree with Pattihum as well as LindaG ! " You can hold a VIP ticket in general admission & still stand a row or two back if you want." That's right...it's up to you, the one who bought the ticket and has the right to be there.......and not up to others to tell you what you should or should not do. Yep, and when I'm standing the the front rows at shows in GA, I have the right to stand there because I paid for the ticket & I was first to that spot. But, as a tall person, if there is a short person standing right behind me, it's my decision to let that shorter person in front of me. |
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