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Post by emmuzka on Jun 27, 2011 23:07:23 GMT -5
Some lyrics maybe????? OLIGEE1 Oliver Goldstein U can brush my hair...undress me everywhere Just saying.......we need decoder rings to run in this circle. That's super easy... Those are lyrics from Aqua's "Barbie girl". A huge hit in Europe in 90s. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509AMaybe they are having some fun in the studio? IF I would want to speculate, I would ask if this was an inspiration for a "fun track". |
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Post by LindaG23 on Jun 27, 2011 23:10:40 GMT -5
So basically, competing with everyone else out there in a crowded marketplace. Interesting, since part of the reason Idol exists (I think) is to turn viewers into loyal buyers. Whether that turns out to be a long-term relationship is a huge what-if, but the label whips that first album out super quick, to maximize the attachment the fans feel to their favorite. If that emotional connection isn't there, then what will make people buy? Will the show promote the hell out of the winner? Spend a shitload of money to get the single played? Weird. I watched Idol for years and really enjoyed it, but for me it was just fun to listen to the songs and critique the singers. I can be a bit of a dilettante that way. I fast forwarded though most of the judging because that was their opinion not mine and I voted for who I thought did a good job or for someone I wanted to advance but I never listened to the backstories. I never watched the results shows and would just skip to the end to see who was voted off. I never bought one Idol album or went to an Idol tour show. That emotional connection was never there and honestly when I started watching Adam there was no emotional connection in the sense of knowing him as a person. I even watched every performance and missed the whole gay/straight brouhaha. But his vocals and performances were stunning. He was the complete showman. I could not get enough and began for the first time to research an artist on the internet all by myself. Wow, the wonders of Youtube. Every new song I heard pulled me in further, demonstrating his versatility and range. The emotional connection came later but even without that, I would still have bought copies of any music he produced. Adam is just that good. I would have been content at that point just to get new music from him on a regular basis, even if that meant Broadway or Vegas but I have since become more invested *snerk* and want him to be a mega-superstar. I think that is because I have come to admire him as a person and believe that he has the maturity and talent to make a long term positive impact on society as well as music. It is a little frightening to me sometimes how much I want him to be a mega-superstar and I have to step back from that ledge. Man, where did this musing start .... oh yeah, outside of club music or stoner music or background study music; I think NoAngel that it takes sun-blazing talent to get people to buy records if there is no emotional connection and Adam has that and it is probably why his fan base keeps expanding. I guarantee that some of those metalheads in Moscow are quietly Youtubing their way down that rabbit hole right now. |
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Post by aloha on Jun 27, 2011 23:18:40 GMT -5
So basically, competing with everyone else out there in a crowded marketplace. Interesting, since part of the reason Idol exists (I think) is to turn viewers into loyal buyers. Whether that turns out to be a long-term relationship is a huge what-if, but the label whips that first album out super quick, to maximize the attachment the fans feel to their favorite. If that emotional connection isn't there, then what will make people buy? Will the show promote the hell out of the winner? Spend a shitload of money to get the single played? Weird. I watched Idol for years and really enjoyed it, but for me it was just fun to listen to the songs and critique the singers. I can be a bit of a dilettante that way. I fast forwarded though most of the judging because that was their opinion not mine and I voted for who I thought did a good job or for someone I wanted to advance but I never listened to the backstories. I never watched the results shows and would just skip to the end to see who was voted off. I never bought one Idol album or went to an Idol tour show. That emotional connection was never there and honestly when I started watching Adam there was no emotional connection in the sense of knowing him as a person. I even watched every performance and missed the whole gay/straight brouhaha. But his vocals and performances were stunning. He was the complete showman. I could not get enough and began for the first time to research an artist on the internet all by myself. Wow, the wonders of Youtube. Every new song I heard pulled me in further, demonstrating his versatility and range. The emotional connection came later but even without that, I would still have bought copies of any music he produced. Adam is just that good. I would have been content at that point just to get new music from him on a regular basis, even if that meant Broadway or Vegas but I have since become more invested *snerk* and want him to be a mega-superstar. I think that is because I have come to admire him as a person and believe that he has the maturity and talent to make a long term positive impact on society as well as music. It is a little frightening to me sometimes how much I want him to be a mega-superstar and I have to step back from that ledge. Man, where did this musing start .... oh yeah, outside of club music or stoner music or background study music; I think NoAngel that it takes sun-blazing talent to get people to buy records if there is no emotional connection and Adam has that and it is probably why his fan base keeps expanding. I guarantee that some of those metalheads in Moscow are quietly Youtubing their way down that rabbit hole right now. Wow. Just wow. I love this post. And you are right. When I look back, what attracted me to adam in the beginning-- before I got emotionally involved? It was THAT VOICE. AND The emotion HE gave each and every song. Right on, Linda. ETA: WHY am I SPEAKING like this? :  |
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Post by maria222pf on Jun 27, 2011 23:20:05 GMT -5
Just saying.......we need decoder rings to run in this circle. That's super easy... Those are lyrics from Aqua's "Barbie girl". A huge hit in Europe in 90s. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyhrYis509AMaybe they are having some fun in the studio? IF I would want to speculate, I would ask if this was an inspiration for a "fun track". Thanks for the info!  |
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Post by cassie on Jun 27, 2011 23:31:29 GMT -5
I'll post this in the vocal masterclass as well as here, but I thought it was a topic that many have expressed interest in before. About whether Adam was/is damaging his voice.
I chatted with Angelina Kalahari, the UK opera singer, today. We always get wound up talking about his voice. I mentioned the rasp in his voice that we all heard when he sang Aftermath on Idol. I told her that I had read some folks commenting on that and in general, saying that Adam could no longer sing as he did in CTMBTM because he had damaged his voice singing the rock styles. I said that I thought the rasp was intentional and stylistic, and did not indicate any vocal problems.
Well, gang, the expert with years and years of professional opera singing and teaching agreed with me 100%!!! She thinks he is totally capable of singing CTMBTM with the purity he did at 22, but thinks it would be richer and more moving now than then because he has matured so much as an artist. We both said that at 22 he sang it as a boy, and now he would sing it as a man.
I probed a bit more, and asked if Adam continued to use that rasp as he does in some songs, and did it on a regular basis, if it would cause damage. She responded with a definite "No." She says that he produces the rasp with a different mechanism from other untrained pop/rock singers. Where they squeeze their vocal cords tightly to get that gravel, Adam uses his powerfully developed muscles in his throat to squeeze the sound. (You can see the muscles work in that silly video with Nikka.) Therefore, there is no vocal cord strain, and no possibility of damage. She explained that she can hear the difference between the production of the two different types of rasp, and reassured me that Adam was taking very good care of his voice in that respect. WHEW!!!! She added that it was her opinion that Adam was "code switching" a little because he was singing for Steven Tyler, and incorporated a bit of Tyler's style into that rasp on Aftermath. Interesting thought.
We also discussed how Adam makes different genres fit HIS voice, rather than altering his voice to fit the genre. How he consistently keeps his classical base of technique, but, with instinct and years of attention and practice, has found additional "tricks" to make the different genres sound authentic when sung with HIS voice.
So, for all of us out there who tend to worry and fret over Adam protecting and preserving his extraordinary instrument, we can relax, knowing Angelina's expert opinion that he is only getting better with age and experience.
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Post by adamfanem on Jun 27, 2011 23:35:12 GMT -5
So basically, competing with everyone else out there in a crowded marketplace. Interesting, since part of the reason Idol exists (I think) is to turn viewers into loyal buyers. Whether that turns out to be a long-term relationship is a huge what-if, but the label whips that first album out super quick, to maximize the attachment the fans feel to their favorite. If that emotional connection isn't there, then what will make people buy? Will the show promote the hell out of the winner? Spend a shitload of money to get the single played? Weird. ... Man, where did this musing start .... oh yeah, outside of club music or stoner music or background study music; I think NoAngel that it takes sun-blazing talent to get people to buy records if there is no emotional connection and Adam has that and it is probably why his fan base keeps expanding. I guarantee that some of those metalheads in Moscow are quietly Youtubing their way down that rabbit hole right now.  |
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Post by Holst on Jun 27, 2011 23:35:22 GMT -5
So basically, competing with everyone else out there in a crowded marketplace. Interesting, since part of the reason Idol exists (I think) is to turn viewers into loyal buyers. Whether that turns out to be a long-term relationship is a huge what-if, but the label whips that first album out super quick, to maximize the attachment the fans feel to their favorite. If that emotional connection isn't there, then what will make people buy? Will the show promote the hell out of the winner? Spend a shitload of money to get the single played? Weird. lindag23 That is exactly my story. I didn't know anything about his personality or judges comments because I just watched the performances posted on the AI web site. I knew he was a great performer and a chameleon. I didn't know about the gay/straight issue. And I'll take it one step further--I didn't notice his good looks or sensuality of some of his performances.  I was so enthralled with the voice. |
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Post by Holst on Jun 27, 2011 23:41:17 GMT -5
I'll post this in the vocal masterclass as well as here, but I thought it was a topic that many have expressed interest in before. About whether Adam was/is damaging his voice. I chatted with Angelina Kalahari, the UK opera singer, today. We always get wound up talking about his voice. I mentioned the rasp in his voice that we all heard when he sang Aftermath on Idol. I told her that I had read some folks commenting on that and in general, saying that Adam could no longer sing as he did in CTMBTM because he had damaged his voice singing the rock styles. I said that I thought the rasp was intentional and stylistic, and did not indicate any vocal problems. Well, gang, the expert with years and years of professional opera singing and teaching agreed with me 100%!!! She thinks he is totally capable of singing CTMBTM with the purity he did at 22, but thinks it would be richer and more moving now than then because he has matured so much as an artist. We both said that at 22 he sang it as a boy, and now he would sing it as a man. I probed a bit more, and asked if Adam continued to use that rasp as he does in some songs, and did it on a regular basis, if it would cause damage. She responded with a definite "No." She says that he produces the rasp with a different mechanism from other untrained pop/rock singers. Where they squeeze their vocal cords tightly to get that gravel, Adam uses his powerfully developed muscles in his throat to squeeze the sound. (You can see the muscles work in that silly video with Nikka.) Therefore, there is no vocal cord strain, and no possibility of damage. She explained that she can hear the difference between the production of the two different types of rasp, and reassured me that Adam was taking very good care of his voice in that respect. WHEW!!!! She added that it was her opinion that Adam was "code switching" a little because he was singing for Steven Tyler, and incorporated a bit of Tyler's style into that rasp on Aftermath. Interesting thought. We also discussed how Adam makes different genres fit HIS voice, rather than altering his voice to fit the genre. How he consistently keeps his classical base of technique, but, with instinct and years of attention and practice, has found additional "tricks" to make the different genres sound authentic when sung with HIS voice. So, for all of us out there who tend to worry and fret over Adam protecting and preserving his extraordinary instrument, we can relax, knowing Angelina's expert opinion that he is only getting better with age and experience. Thanks, Cassie. I have worried a bit about the added rasp. I haven't ever thought he has lost his pure-sounding voice because it's right there in Soaked. Just future damage has concerned me. I feel better.  ETA: Here is Angelina singing opera. |
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Post by LindaG23 on Jun 27, 2011 23:42:01 GMT -5
I know Aloha. He is so compelling when he performs. This is embarrassing but there was a period when every time I would wake up in the middle of the night, one of his song from Idol, Upright, Zodiac, FYE, etc. would always be running in my head. Never a visual, just the voice. I don't do that anymore and I kind of miss it.
I think even the haters are drawn in and remember everything and it drives them crazy.
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Post by LindaG23 on Jun 27, 2011 23:56:17 GMT -5
Holst, I will say that I did notice his good looks because I was amazed at his stagecraft. It was evident that a great deal of thought went into where he stood and what he wore and how he did his hair. He always honored the theme of the night and made each song a story. The swagger of walking down those pink stairs in a white suit was so "rat-pack". I don't think he ever got enough credit for that.
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